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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Gazza said:
The team is aged and needed some refreshing ... i would sell the lot and start over with players the manager wants. Even if the likes of Kane, Son etc are sold.
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I wouldn't start again like that. I think Harry is a diamond with a tremendous attitude. Sonny also seems a good character, Hugo too. Dier has a great attitude if lacking a bit ability wise.

These types of lads I'd keep at all costs. There are a few more who seem like good guys too.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I wouldn't start again like that. I think Harry is a diamond with a tremendous attitude. Sonny also seems a good character, Hugo too. Dier has a great attitude if lacking a bit ability wise.
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I agree to a certain extent but getting rid of Kane would free up wages and possibly get three top top players in. Lets face it, we are not going to win a trophy that will keep kane next year, and struggle to get in the top four this year.
 
elltrev said:
In fairness I'm not sure that stats show the players were lazy, they just show we weren't good at winning the ball back. And that could also be a tactical thing. I've put myself through watching the game back, and I think part of the issue with our attempts to press is that Everton were just good at playing through it, because they outnumbered us in deeper areas. They had three central midfielders, and James coming deep into central areas too. Davies didn't want to follow James too far, and our centre backs didn't want to step up either. So our front six were chasing shadows when pressing, because they were constantly outnumbered by the eight or nine Everton players, who could easily pass around them. I'm sure a relative lack of fitness after the covd break and/or short preseason didn't help either.
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If we are going to play a pressing game then the whole team needs to be involved in it. If the whole team haven't been instructed to join in with the press then our pressing game will fail as there will always be an out ball. If the whole team have been instructed to press but certain players aren't doing it then Jose needs to pick other players that will follow the instructions.
 
Gazza said:
I agree to a certain extent but getting rid of Kane would free up wages and possibly get three top top players in. Lets face it, we are not going to win a trophy that will keep kane next year, and struggle to get in the top four this year.
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Kane is on around 200k a week I believe. That won’t even get you two top players and they certainly won’t deliver what Kane delivers. And that would assume ENIC would reinvest the fee in the squad which is a big if.

I could see Kane going next year by his own choice. If he does, he does. I wouldn’t blame him especially if this season is a flop. But I think the school of thought that we should look to sell him to reinvest is nuts. He’s a once in a generation package (the combination of talent and attitude).
 
DeanoAustin said:
Kane is on around 200k a week I believe. That won’t even get you two top players and they certainly won’t deliver what Kane delivers. And that would assume ENIC would reinvest the fee in the squad which is a big if.

I could see Kane going next year by his own choice. If he does, he does. I wouldn’t blame him especially if this season is a flop. But I think the school of thought that we should look to sell him to reinvest is nuts. He’s a once in a generation package (the combination of talent and attitude).
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I think that Kane's complete salary package is probably more than that. His contract is meant to be very heavily incentivised with bonuses for appearances and goals. A lot of our contracts are meant to be like that.
 
milo said:
I think that Kane's complete salary package is probably more than that. His contract is meant to be very heavily incentivised with bonuses for appearances and goals. A lot of our contracts are meant to be like that.
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Even if it is, I don't see his departure freeing up wages for 3 top players. Ndombele is apparently on 200k a week already. We sell Kane, if we got 1-2 regular first team players out of it we'd be doing well. And I suspect they wouldn't do what Kane does for us.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Kane is on around 200k a week I believe. That won’t even get you two top players and they certainly won’t deliver what Kane delivers. And that would assume ENIC would reinvest the fee in the squad which is a big if.

I could see Kane going next year by his own choice. If he does, he does. I wouldn’t blame him especially if this season is a flop. But I think the school of thought that we should look to sell him to reinvest is nuts. He’s a once in a generation package (the combination of talent and attitude).
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Key though is that as I’ve said before who is gonna spend £200m to buy him at 28?
 
DeanoAustin said:
Even if it is, I don't see his departure freeing up wages for 3 top players. Ndombele is apparently on 200k a week already. We sell Kane, if we got 1-2 regular first team players out of it we'd be doing well. And I suspect they wouldn't do what Kane does for us.
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Agreed and they wouldnt be the same quality. Genuinely top players would be able to pay higher wages than we can. We'd be better off trying to sign 3 GLCs (different positions obviously). Big risk in either approach is identifying the right players, which isnt exactly our strength
 
thfcsteff said:
I bitched about his appt, but I get no joy whatsoever from this. I desperately want to wear egg on my face.
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i accept that Steff and my post was not aimed at anyone specific, but if you go over the posts you will see the ones who are having a field day on Jose are generally those who made a lot of negative noise when he was given the job. I fully understand that not every fan likes him but its ONE fudging game into a season and some are filling their boots already.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I could see Kane going next year by his own choice. If he does, he does. I wouldn’t blame him especially if this season is a flop. But I think the school of thought that we should look to sell him to reinvest is nuts. He’s a once in a generation package (the combination of talent and attitude).
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I really do believe he will want to leave, we all know how good he is and is good enough to play for a team who win honours and unless we show a vast improvement on doing that then its more or less certain IMO. 27 now and will be 28 by the time next season comes round and if he wants a trophy cabinet with several medals he needs he may/will need to get going.
 
parklane1 said:
I really do believe he will want to leave, we all know how good he is and is good enough to play for a team who win honours and unless we show a vast improvement on doing that then its more or less certain IMO. 27 now and will be 28 by the time next season comes round and if he wants a trophy cabinet with several medals he needs he may/will need to get going.
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Yep, absolute sickner if and when it happens because I really believe he's one of the best I've seen. I was one of those who didn't think he'd make it but his professionalism and dedication have helped him make the absolute most of what he has and I think he's an absolute gem.

As long as he doesn't dingdong us around like Berbatov and even Modric (during the Chelsea interest) and as gutted as I'd be, I'd wish him all the best. Hopefully as he heads off to Paris, Munich, Madrid or Barcelona.
 
billyiddo said:
Of course he'll leave, he won't want to waste his prime years at club having to rebuild
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Given the lack of trophies and how the 'project' has turned into a turd filled dumpster fire next to a toxic waste dump I'm happy he's still here. I think with no COVID he'd have been off this summer.
 
I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to leave and it wouldn't be the end of the world either, providing we can use all the transfer money on new players. Worked out pretty ok for Liverpool when they sold Coutinho.
 
vkn17 said:
I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to leave and it wouldn't be the end of the world either, providing we can use all the transfer money on new players. Worked out pretty ok for Liverpool when they sold Coutinho.
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See I would blame him. From day one he's said he loves the squad, loves the players and thinks they're good enough to kick on with.

If he were to bail when it all gets a bit tough, it would be very disappointing. Not surprising, but very disappointing.
 
nayenezgani said:
See I would blame him. From day one he's said he loves the squad, loves the players and thinks they're good enough to kick on with.

If he were to bail when it all gets a bit tough, it would be very disappointing. Not surprising, but very disappointing.
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Not quite right is it; he said he loves it here and would stay "as long as the club showed the same ambition as him"....if Kane were to leave i don't think anyone could blame him given:

1) his stature in the game
2) how his professionalism and workrate have elevated us as a club and
3) the fact someone like him should be winning trophies and his career wont last forever so why should he wait for the club to sort themselves out when they've had plenty of chances
 
glorygloryeze said:
Not quite right is it; he said he loves it here and would stay "as long as the club showed the same ambition as him"....if Kane were to leave i don't think anyone could blame him given:

1) his stature in the game
2) how his professionalism and workrate have elevated us as a club and
3) the fact someone like him should be winning trophies and his career wont last forever so why should he wait for the club to sort themselves out when they've had plenty of chances
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Yes it is, rewatch his opening interviews and pressers. He speaks glowingly of the squad on a number of occasions. The whole squad, not just Harry Kane.

What's Harry Kane have to do with Mourinho staying or going anyway? If Harry wants to leave, we'll sell him for hundreds of millions and reinvest.

I think more and more it's looking like Kane is on his last contract here, he's certainly coming out with more regular soundbites about needing to win something.

He was also totally sympathetic with Eriksen wanting a fresh challenge... If Jose leaves because we sell one player, it's still a total cop out.
 
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