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Jose Mourinho - SACKED
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StephenH
David Ginola
Kane and Dele. Unless we can get £350m + for Son
It could be Kane and Son.
Levy might want to cash in on Harry due to injuries, who knows.
I'm just preparing myself for moves of this kind.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Not a chance in hell we would cash in on KaneKane and Dele. Unless we can get £350m + for Son
It could be Kane and Son.
Levy might want to cash in on Harry due to injuries, who knows.
I'm just preparing myself for moves of this kind.
He is homegrown and a massive global figure what for the team
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
Other than Harry we don't have any stars anymore.
Nobody is going to pay anymore than £50m for dele or son.
Our squad needs a hell of a lot more than £100m to overhaul it, especially if you start taking out the likes of dele and son.
This is now the reality of not buying when we were in a position of strength is coming back to bite us in the arse.
We are effectively starting from scratch again.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
It used to help having the low to mid price players to punt on....think Livermore, Mason, Wimmer, Bentaleb etc either squad fillers or players we've decided to pass on. We'd get decent fees that would add up.
Now shifting anyone is hard work. I think Levy will offer £50/60m net for transfers but I'm not sure that's for each window more likely for the season.
Assets ,to sell, to help that figure are not plentiful.
Now shifting anyone is hard work. I think Levy will offer £50/60m net for transfers but I'm not sure that's for each window more likely for the season.
Assets ,to sell, to help that figure are not plentiful.
StephenH
David Ginola
Don't be so sure! 'Needs must when the devil drives' - we need new blood desperately. 'Coutinho at the right price' comes to mind.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Not selling when in a position of strength was more a mistake, based on that was where the money would be coming from.
You imply there was a big pile of funds we just didn't use.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
True, badly expressed.
Selling deadwood/contract reluctants would have released funds and allowed to bring in maybe two good and ready players.
Trippier, Moose, Rose, Toby and Eriksen out could have netted us in the regions of £120m.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Continuous had no loyalty and was hardly a figure head icon
The guy played well for 2 seasons and his price was mental
parklane1
Tony Galvin
See there is a problem with suggesting we should have sold some of our top players when they were playing at the top of their game, firstly its something we should not do if we really want to climb higher secondly i remember all those fans bitching about selling best players in the past, Berby, Modric,Bale etc.
Deadwood players are another situation, we should have sold Rose, Wanyama etc before now i agree, however clubs have to want those players and i do not( have not)seen a line up of clubs wanting to buy them.
Deadwood players are another situation, we should have sold Rose, Wanyama etc before now i agree, however clubs have to want those players and i do not( have not)seen a line up of clubs wanting to buy them.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
That really is the crux of the matter isn't it, there is no right and no wrong. We never know how it will pan out either way.
Levy can only do what he thinks is right at the time. He's the guy with all the info, it's his head all the grief falls on if it's wrong (and he even gets grief when it's all going smoothly), we don't have that information.
I'm sure at the time Levy thought he was what was best for the club. Could turn out he's right, might not, but we will never go too far back under Levy.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Great post and sums our situation up spot on, i wish everyone can see that point but sadly there are a few fans who will always blame Levy. Funny enough some of those fans kind of disappeared when thing were going really well. Now they are back blaming the man who has lifted our club to where we find ourselves.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
I think we were in a different place when we sold those players ie still a selling club and more reliant on those individuals than a complete well functioning team.
Also while Poch's stock was high we'd probably sided with 'he knows what he is doing' and supported him.
Rose, Wanyama and Toby (because of his transfer situation) were all obvious move one. Eriksen not so much as he was integral to the team. BUT in a Coutinho way...it would be brave
, and it would have been the funds we needed to circulate things.The alternative is what we have now.
It's annoying because the plan was to sell off players, it's not like that wasn't the plan, it just never (fully) happened. You can drill down into that and look for blame, and there could be some, but it wouldn't be much, especially if it's the players whom refused to sign new contracts, go to clubs who came in for them (which is if course their right) or alternatively a plain lack of interest in them.
People will always bitch (heard it yesterday in the smoky away toilet s at St Mary's), some of this is quite nuanced and people either don't have the mental capacity to understand or are emotionally spouting which renders them useless if they were part of the decision process (which luckily they're not)
This really is a tricky period for the club. We are still fresh into the stadium. We now have few player assets to raise funds (beyond Kane son and Dele) and Levy has a net figure he can't go beyond when supplying funds. The problem is it's looking like there is much work to do.
The thing is we live and breath this club and from inside there is always plenty of coulda/woulda/shoulda conversation BUT from the outside any sensible person would look at us and say what we have done and the decisions the club has made compared to our peers are commendable considering the landscape we operate in.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Seeing as we’re critiquing the last few years....
1. Stadium build has affected transfers. Not just money but probably more importantly management focus.
2. Poch wanted transfer power, but he was actually better with others leading on transfers imo. He was by nature close to players and having some distance (and time) to get transfers right is vital. With levy focused on the stadium build too we missed a trick or two that we’d normally get right.
3. Poch elevates players. Mourinho on the other hand will provide greater structure.
4. Home form and the new stadium effect is real. Hopefully once the year in residence comes round we’ll get home advantage back.
I do miss Poch but we can only go forward. LeCelco and Ndombele are looking like good signings. Tanganga is a positive. Aurier is being played in an appropriate way. We have issues to sort - midfield and striker the most vital - and it would be terrific to get some stability in the middle and in defensive.
Rebuilding is never a magic wand fix. Step by step we’ll improve.
Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
1. Stadium build has affected transfers. Not just money but probably more importantly management focus.
2. Poch wanted transfer power, but he was actually better with others leading on transfers imo. He was by nature close to players and having some distance (and time) to get transfers right is vital. With levy focused on the stadium build too we missed a trick or two that we’d normally get right.
3. Poch elevates players. Mourinho on the other hand will provide greater structure.
4. Home form and the new stadium effect is real. Hopefully once the year in residence comes round we’ll get home advantage back.
I do miss Poch but we can only go forward. LeCelco and Ndombele are looking like good signings. Tanganga is a positive. Aurier is being played in an appropriate way. We have issues to sort - midfield and striker the most vital - and it would be terrific to get some stability in the middle and in defensive.
Rebuilding is never a magic wand fix. Step by step we’ll improve.
Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I think we were in a different place when we sold those players ie still a selling club and more reliant on those individuals than a complete well functioning team.
Also while Poch's stock was high we'd probably sided with 'he knows what he is doing' and supported him.
Rose, Wanyama and Toby (because of his transfer situation) were all obvious move one. Eriksen not so much as he was integral to the team. BUT in a Coutinho way...it would be brave
The alternative is what we have now.
It's annoying because the plan was to sell off players, it's not like that wasn't the plan, it just never (fully) happened. You can drill down into that and look for blame, and there could be some, but it wouldn't be much, especially if it's the players whom refused to sign new contracts, go to clubs who came in for them (which is if course their right) or alternatively a plain lack of interest in them.
People will always bitch (heard it yesterday in the smoky away toilet s at St Mary's), some of this is quite nuanced and people either don't have the mental capacity to understand or are emotionally spouting which renders them useless if they were part of the decision process (which luckily they're not)
This really is a tricky period for the club. We are still fresh into the stadium. We now have few player assets to raise funds (beyond Kane son and Dele) and Levy has a net figure he can't go beyond when supplying funds. The problem is it's looking like there is much work to do.
The thing is we live and breath this club and from inside there is always plenty of coulda/woulda/shoulda conversation BUT from the outside any sensible person would look at us and say what we have done and the decisions the club has made compared to our peers are commendable considering the landscape we operate in.
A very good summing up and i I can't dance with any of it really. We do have a big job on our hands but i am hopeful ( and believe) we are on the right path. I know it has been said many times before but the progress we as a club have made ( both on and off the pitch) has been amazing considering the money doped clubs we have had to compete with and it was always the case we may have a few hiccups on the way. And lets be honest i/we have not had many of them over the last decade.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Some good points.
A few of us have commented that perhaps a DoF may have been sensible while Levy was snowed under with the stadium.
(Although I then thought that if that was suggested to Levy he'd probably think 'transfer funds are non existent....what's the fecking point of one of them'
)People say there are positives after games, which you hope there effing is
. I'm still thinking they're individual positives ie he played well etc. But I'm not sure I'm seeing much of a collective direction or team moulding going on.I'm not blaming Jose for that as it is a bit of a dog's dinner and injuries and suspension (son) hasn't helped.
And sometimes when you live and breath the club so much progress can appear tortoise like. BUT if they're little steps forward hopefully they start adding up by April.
Remember though, Arsenal and Man I are two examples that when positives do come they can be false positives and just getting going again can be harder than perceived in this league. Obviously I think we have a better manager than them two.
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
There's a bit if revisionism going on with Liverpool too because the argument for selling a Kane or Alli seems to be "Look what Liverpool did with the Coutinho money. We should have done the same with Eriksen years ago."
It wasn't some great masterplan by Liverpool. From memory they wanted to keep Coutinho and blocked a move in the summer before he went. The player agitated for a move in a way that none of our players have done with years on their contract.
Selling Kane, Alli or Son would be madness and I'd have gone ballistic if we'd sold Eriksen 2 or 3 years ago.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I agree with you, i do shake my head at supporters who think we should have sold Eriksen then as he has proved over the years to be our playmaker and its only now that the likes of Lo Celso are getting up to speed that we look to have some creativity again.
Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
I think we really started to see it for the first time yesterday. Probably no coincidence that it tied in with Eriksen being out of the squad. I’ve thought for a while that the most important thing that could happen is clearing out the negative influencers.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
I think coutinho was the ideal sell for Liverpool, he was a remnant from another manager, they adapted to fit him in but were strong enough in that area to be able to play the way they really wanted when he was gone. I don't think they really wanted to keep him, they couldn't say that obviously, lowers te price and annoys the fans.
We weren't in that position, all our stars fitted in with the team, we lacked a back up for any of them. If we had sold either Harry, Eriksen, son or dele we would have had to replace them, taking a chunk out of the original feel.
Our squad really was that thin.
Liverpool got lucky.