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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

ricky2tricky4city said:
If you think things thru logically and then apply some expectations from that process then.....

If you are selecting 2 or 3 of PEH Winks and Sissoko don't expect creativity, incisive passing, interplay/closeness with the 4 men ahead. We know that (even as fans) and Jose knows that.
So (rightfully) he employs the compact sit back tactic that creates chances by nicking the ball high up or fast counter attacks from being under pressure.

That's fair enough, it's no different to a successful Leicester approach and even Liverpool to some degree (although they have top class FBs contributing to attack).

And this appears a plausible tactic as we have Kane Dele Sonny Moura Bergwijn. Firepower to scare most teams. Where it falls down is those players are either head down or far too selfish (not inc Bergwijn) to make the best of those moments.

Dele does dally BUT when in the moment and playing in small spaces off the cuff he excels..he's not a great counter attacker, he needs it all going on around him so instinct takes over. The current tactics don't suit his game. I'd play Bergwijn over him .
Compare this to Vardy Mahrez Allbrighton. Firminio Salad Mane.

The only way to look good in the coming months is if we can get the creativity and link up from behind to increase and that basically means La Celso and Ndombele coming good, and PEH needs to sit and destroy (him currently running all round midfield just makes things look disorderly/unstructured)
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Just on Hojbjerg - honestly don’t think he has ever been a ‘sit and destroy’ type of player, don’t know where everyone is getting this from?
 
glorygloryeze said:
It's probably also factual for lots of teams in the top 6-8, like Liverpool, Arsenal etc. Yes, i believe bringing that up for why we were so turgid (unlike Everton plus some other teams that also had players away) is making excuses.

But let's park that. So Ok, what can you see in terms of gameplay that Jose has instilled since he's been here? Apart from making us defend deeper?
Is our forward gameplay any better? Can we create chances apart from on the break, from set-pieces or crosses into the box?

I haven't seen what Jose is bringing to the team in terms of coaching; like another poster said, after the initial new manager bounce, there's not much in terms of actual coaching that i can see Jose is bringing to the table frankly
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Not arguing that
I was arguing that you cannot say he has had pre season when he hasn’t
Kick the guy for failing if so but at least get i right
And pool for example conceded 3 goals to Leeds who didn’t even start their record signing up front. Their team looked very disjointed at the back almost as if they didn’t know each other

and the coaching thing is possibly valid. I’ve said that We can’t just rely on the wonky but actually we crafted the bette chances today playing that way
 
AdamB said:
Another thing which is a manager's responsibility is making players better. Can anyone answer this:

Can you name one player, just one, who has looked better since Mourinho arrived than we thought he was before Mourinho (i.e. has he improved anyone)?
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Alternatively can you name a player that was here that was playing better under Poch when he Got sacked?
it’s the same players still until the ones signed last season are either ready or fit
I’ll say Hugo looks better under the current coaching if that helps
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
But that second half is nothing but a worry.

It's the start of the season FFS...fresh start, spirit up. That goal then literally smashed our belief and effort.
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Yep
We have suffered thy head drop for a long while now
That’s a mentality issue
Poch cracked it once but we only came back from memory last season vs Arsenal
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Not arguing that
I was arguing that you cannot say he has had pre season when he hasn’t
Kick the guy for failing if so but at least get i right
And pool for example conceded 3 goals to Leeds who didn’t even start their record signing up front. Their team looked very disjointed at the back almost as if they didn’t know each other

and the coaching thing is possibly valid. I’ve said that We can’t just rely on the wonky but actually we crafted the bette chances today playing that way
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Well, Jose has had as much opportunity as other coaches in terms of time on the training field....still the general turgidity continues and i agree with others who say the excuses are wearing thin. You can win or lose any match, but as a fan you want to see some kind of gameplan, some kind of coaching methodology to keep hope springing eternal..but alas...:(
 
galeforce said:
if thats the case its a tactical mistake he needs to correct, its depriving two players of goal scoring opportunities
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But we haven't done the first bit yet. ie connected side. We can't do that until a midfielder with creativity steps on the field (regularly).

Until that player(s) is available we'll rely on counter attacking football with players that aren't that great at it collectively.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Well, Jose has had as much opportunity as other coaches in terms of time on the training field....still the general turgidity continues and i agree with others who say the excuses are wearing thin. You can win or lose any match, but as a fan you want to see some kind of gameplan, some kind of coaching methodology to keep hope springing eternal..but alas...:(
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The game plan is there
It’s just quite weak If it doesn’t all fall into place
I do think Lo Celso is a massive miss as he drives the team but one player shouldn’t stop all that talent from ticking over
 
glorygloryeze said:
Well, Jose has had as much opportunity as other coaches in terms of time on the training field....still the general turgidity continues and i agree with others who say the excuses are wearing thin. You can win or lose any match, but as a fan you want to see some kind of gameplan, some kind of coaching methodology to keep hope springing eternal..but alas...:(
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this is a general point, not aiming it just at you, I think there is an obvious game plan and coaching methodology

is it that people can't see it, or they don't like it?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Alternatively can you name a player that was here that was playing better under Poch when he Got sacked?
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So players are playing at the same level as when a manager got sacked? So what should happen to Jose then.

My point remains that a manager's job is to improve players; as a minimum, get them playing to their potential. Jose is 10 months in and hasnt done that IMO
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
But we haven't done the first bit yet. ie connected side. We can't do that until a midfielder with creativity steps on the field (regularly).

Until that player(s) is available we'll rely on counter attacking football with players that aren't that great at it collectively.
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I think Son, Alli and Kane have shown they are great at counter attacking previously, we'd have been in 3 times today but for a better final ball.
 
galeforce said:
this is a general point, not aiming it just at you, I think there is an obvious game plan and coaching methodology

is it that people can't see it, or they don't like it?
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All i see is:
- park the bus
- hit them on the counter
- score from set-pieces and crosses in the air into the box

Basically Piulis or Moyes football..what are you seeing?
 
It's not gonna get any better against Southampton.
We have a terrible away record.
4 away wins in 17 games under Mourinho.
 
galeforce said:
do you think they all gave it everything today?
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no, but they all seemed to lack organisation and looked undercooked all over the pitch.
Jose has simply looked to be lacking in clarity and tactics in the squad's setup today. the example was the Dele substitution and the press which was all over the place which is 100% down to his department
 
AdamB said:
So players are playing at the same level as when a manager got sacked? So what should happen to Jose then.

My point remains that a manager's job is to improve players; as a minimum, get them playing to their potential. Jose is 10 months in and hasnt done that IMO
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Does that fix the issue?
Same players failing two world class managers?
The issue has to be now to replace those players
And maybe the levy view was that Poch signed off on some brick players so I’d rather get a manager in who knows how to spend.... them Covid fudged that up
 
glorygloryeze said:
All i see is:
- park the bus
- hit them on the counter
- score from set-pieces and crosses in the air into the box

Basically Piulis or Moyes football..what are you seeing?
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its nicer than a bus, a luxury coach, but yeah, thats what I'm seeing, I think thats the plan
 
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