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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

glorygloryeze said:
The malaise goes back to not signing anyone in the summer of 2018, because "our squad is so good we find it hard to find players to upgrade or augment it".
Yesterday was proof the football strategy at the club died that summer. In the end Poch became infected by the lack of ambition shown above, and hence he eventually started rolling out the excuses and talking about how "trophies don't matter" etc

Players are part of the problem (as is our current coach and the last one in his last few months) but ultimately what we're seeing on the pitch is a reflection of where things are at at the very top of the club
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Exactly. There was always going to be a long price to pay for those two unbelievably disastrous windows, and we are now paying it. We will be paying it for some time.

I said they were utter derelictions of duty then. Nothing since has changed my mind on that.

Nothing to done about it now, though.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Perhaps..but actions speak louder than words. And so far actions by ENIC suggest they're not so interested on the footballing side in a big ambitious way. See last transfer window despite hiring the guy that mainly operates by spending money on key positions he cannot do without..
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we have spent £60m on Ndom, £40m on Lo Celso, £30m on Bergwein and also on Sessegnon and £10m on Clarke
That’s spending and investment
In effect since we moved into the goring we have spent what is generally mega money
 
Bedfordspurs said:
we have spent £60m on Ndom, £40m on Lo Celso, £30m on Bergwein and also on Sessegnon and £10m on Clarke
That’s spending and investment
In effect since we moved into the goring we have spent what is generally mega money
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How much of that is targeted onwhat we need though?
This is why i use the term "winging it" because a lot feels like opportunism.
Where is the defensive midfielder (needed since summer 2018)?
Where is the number 9 who can rotate with Kane (needed since like forever)?
Where is the physical dominant centre back (needed since Toby has been on the wane and Foyth has shown he's not quite that)?
Where is the left-side CB to replace Verts (and Wimmer) (needed since since, well Wimmer left)?
And time spent on getting and then loaning out Clarke could have been spent buying one on the above last summer - it seems even Poch didn't want him..and why did we buy Gedson AND NOT also buy a defensive midfielder?
Ndombele and Lo Celso - good buys, but again too little, too late.
 
whats worrying me is that he keeps droning on about in summer that he will have all these players back - that means his gona go again with the same personnel next season with probably the odd late signing that levy will conjure up
 
glorygloryeze said:
How much of that is targeted onwhat we need though?
This is why i use the term "winging it" because a lot feels like opportunism.
Where is the defensive midfielder (needed since summer 2018)?
Where is the number 9 who can rotate with Kane (needed since like forever)?
Where is the physical dominant centre back (needed since Toby has been on the wane and Foyth has shown he's not quite that)?
Where is the left-side CB to replace Verts (and Wimmer) (needed since since, well Wimmer left)?
And time spent on getting and then loaning out Clarke could have been spent buying one on the above last summer - it seems even Poch didn't want him..and why did we buy Gedson AND NOT also buy a defensive midfielder?
Ndombele and Lo Celso - good buys, but again too little, too late.
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but these were the signings the manager wanted. Their the guys in charge and see the team every day so their accountable too
 
Bedfordspurs said:
but these were the signings the manager wanted. Their the guys in charge and see the team every day so their accountable too
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Managers are indeed accountable...but do you honestly think what we got Jose in January (i.e. NOT a number 9 with Kane injured and NO defensive midfielder) was what he wanted?
 
glorygloryeze said:
Managers are indeed accountable...but do you honestly think what we got Jose in January (i.e. NOT a number 9 with Kane injured and NO defensive midfielder) was what he wanted?
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Yep I do
I’m convinced he thought son would be fine and do the job as expected
He also thought their would be other priorities
 
I'll also re-emphasize that we are going to stick with Mourinho for a while, unless he walks himself.

Literally no other option at this point.

  • He earns 15m a year, making sacking him prohibitively expensive - biggest factor in Levy's mind.
  • Once you bow to player power, you're done for. Players got Poch sacked - if they also see off Mourinho, we are going to be stuck in a negative spiral where these sorry fudges will dictate what happens at the club until we grow a spine and back a manager over them.
  • The Spurs 'brand' is already in decline, threatening Levy's dreams of commercial success - if you sack the first or second most successful coach in European football over the last twenty-odd years, that death spiral will only intensify.
  • If Mourinho can't win something with us, nothing and nobody ever will. We will become the English Neverkusen, if we aren't already.
  • The guy hasn't really had a fair shot. He's been dreadfully unlucky, and the players are constantly letting him down with individual errors.
  • No one out there who will take the job and guarantee anything different.
We're stuck with him until we hit the relegation zone - so we might as well learn to live with it and give him what he wants to correct this car crash of a season next year.
 
uksb said:
An excerpt from an article by Jonathan Liew (courtesy of bankruptspurs)

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Jonathan Liew is a prick. The Guardian has got some seriously brick sports writers at the moment.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I'll also re-emphasize that we are going to stick with Mourinho for a while, unless he walks himself.

Literally no other option at this point.

  • He earns 15m a year, making sacking him prohibitively expensive - biggest factor in Levy's mind.
  • Once you bow to player power, you're done for. Players got Poch sacked - if they also see off Mourinho, we are going to be stuck in a negative spiral where these sorry fudges will dictate what happens at the club until we grow a spine and back a manager over them.
  • The Spurs 'brand' is already in decline, threatening Levy's dreams of commercial success - if you sack the first or second most successful coach in European football over the last twenty-odd years, that death spiral will only intensify.
  • If Mourinho can't win something with us, nothing and nobody ever will. We will become the English Neverkusen, if we aren't already.
  • The guy hasn't really had a fair shot. He's been dreadfully unlucky, and the players are constantly letting him down with individual errors.
  • No one out there who will take the job and guarantee anything different.
We're stuck with him until we hit the relegation zone - so we might as well learn to live with it and give him what he wants to correct this car crash of a season next year.
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Your second last point is the main one for me. I'm seriously tinkled off right now with the manner of the defeats as much as the results and José's press conferences aren't helping me. But he's managing someone else's squad and without a number of key players. And it's a squad that was playing badly for about a year before he joined. He's entitled to a summer and next season. Getting rid now would be brainless. I just hope we make a decent fist of the rest of the season because a run of more defeats could really turn the situation toxic and perhaps make his position untenable. I don't expect that but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I'll also re-emphasize that we are going to stick with Mourinho for a while, unless he walks himself.

Literally no other option at this point.

  • He earns 15m a year, making sacking him prohibitively expensive - biggest factor in Levy's mind.
  • Once you bow to player power, you're done for. Players got Poch sacked - if they also see off Mourinho, we are going to be stuck in a negative spiral where these sorry fudges will dictate what happens at the club until we grow a spine and back a manager over them.
  • The Spurs 'brand' is already in decline, threatening Levy's dreams of commercial success - if you sack the first or second most successful coach in European football over the last twenty-odd years, that death spiral will only intensify.
  • If Mourinho can't win something with us, nothing and nobody ever will. We will become the English Neverkusen, if we aren't already.
  • The guy hasn't really had a fair shot. He's been dreadfully unlucky, and the players are constantly letting him down with individual errors.
  • No one out there who will take the job and guarantee anything different.
We're stuck with him until we hit the relegation zone - so we might as well learn to live with it and give him what he wants to correct this car crash of a season next year.
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I think it's quite possible that he will walk; it's clear he wont get the money that someone like him is used to and if he lets his 'rep' slide any further than it has, he'll end up being the modern George Graham (if he hasn't already).
He's got a semblance of a ready-made excuse at is (re our January dealings and not bringing in a striker or defensive midfielder)
 
DeanoAustin said:
Your second last point is the main one for me. I'm seriously tinkled off right now with the manner of the defeats as much as the results and José's press conferences aren't helping me. But he's managing someone else's squad and without a number of key players. And it's a squad that was playing badly for about a year before he joined. He's entitled to a summer and next season. Getting rid now would be brainless. I just hope we make a decent fist of the rest of the season because a run of more defeats could really turn the situation toxic and perhaps make his position untenable. I don't expect that but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
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Don't be surprised if there is a 'break clause' in there based on league form once he took over, where we finish etc.
Remember he was as much in need of taking the job as we were hiring him after the decision to sack Poch.
And the January window dealings plus Levy's public utterances show that ENIC wont change their model for anyone, including someone as decorated (even if not as good these days coaching wise) as Jose.

Edit - so it's actually quite plausible that he will walk as he probably knows he'll have to operate under conditions he's not used to (anymore)
 
DubaiSpur said:
I'll also re-emphasize that we are going to stick with Mourinho for a while, unless he walks himself.

Literally no other option at this point.

  • He earns 15m a year, making sacking him prohibitively expensive - biggest factor in Levy's mind.
  • Once you bow to player power, you're done for. Players got Poch sacked - if they also see off Mourinho, we are going to be stuck in a negative spiral where these sorry fudges will dictate what happens at the club until we grow a spine and back a manager over them.
  • The Spurs 'brand' is already in decline, threatening Levy's dreams of commercial success - if you sack the first or second most successful coach in European football over the last twenty-odd years, that death spiral will only intensify.
  • If Mourinho can't win something with us, nothing and nobody ever will. We will become the English Neverkusen, if we aren't already.
  • The guy hasn't really had a fair shot. He's been dreadfully unlucky, and the players are constantly letting him down with individual errors.
  • No one out there who will take the job and guarantee anything different.
We're stuck with him until we hit the relegation zone - so we might as well learn to live with it and give him what he wants to correct this car crash of a season next year.
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Brilliant post.

I am a big fan of Mourinho and have wanted him at the club ever since his first press conference in West London back in 2004. There's no doubt that he isn't without his faults, both on and off the pitch, however, to blame him for this is nothing short of embarrassing. We didn't sign the right players in 2016, we then lost a key squad member (Kyle Walker) without seeing any improvement to the squad in 2017 and then didn't sign anyone whatsoever in 2018. Despite the difficulties in signing a prefered target in this day and age, it is evident that most of the blame lies at the top. And then to compound all of that we have the most ridiculous injury situation imaginable. After Villa away we'd picked up 26 points out of 42, not bad, since then we've been completely depleted. And then before all that, we'd won 6 games in 24, our worst run since in 10 years, with performances matching the awfulness which was witnessed in 2008, resulting in Poch getting the sack. So for players to be somewhat over looked is very surprising indeed.

When it comes to the Poch vs Mourinho argument, I say this to both sides, you're wrong. They're both the right managers, it's just that they have been stuck with the wrong players and insufficient squad capacity with a hierarchy that simply can't deliver the right players at the right time, due to a combination of frugality and insufficient attempts in recruitment with a near empty trophy cabinet.

There's no doubt that Levy is a good chairman and shouldn't be treated like the many con men who taken the healm at other clubs. But is he ,and ENIC for that matter, capable of taking Spurs to the final step?
 
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We need a cryptic/ weird quote from Jose aimed at Levy and the transfer policy. Nothing about Omelettes but maybe along the lines of Marks & Spencer’s and Tesco Blue stripe mince.
 
spurs' magna carter said:
Brilliant post.

I am a big fan of Mourinho and have wanted him at the club ever since his first press conference in West London back in 2004. There's no doubt that he isn't without his faults, both on and off the pitch, however, to blame him for this is nothing short of embarrassing. We didn't sign the right players in 2016, we then lost a key squad member (Kyle Walker) without seeing any improvement to the squad in 2017 and then didn't sign anyone whatsoever in 2018. Despite the difficulties in signing a prefered target in this day and age, it is evident that most of the blame lies at the top. And then to compound all of that we have the most ridiculous injury situation imaginable. After Villa away we'd picked up 26 points out of 42, not bad, since then we've been completely depleted. And then before all that, we'd won 6 games in 24, our worst run since in 10 years, with performances matching the awfulness which was witnessed in 2008, resulting in Poch getting the sack. So for players to be somewhat over looked is very surprising indeed.

When it comes to the Poch vs Mourinho argument, I say this to both sides, you're wrong. They're both the right managers, it's just that they have been stuck with the wrong players and insufficient squad capacity with a hierarchy that simply can't deliver the right players at the right time, due to a combination of frugality and insufficient attempts in recruitment with a near empty trophy cabinet.

There's no doubt that Levy is a good chairman and shouldn't be treated like the many con men who taken the healm at other clubs. But is he ,and ENIC for that matter, capable of taking Spurs to the final step?
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I think Poch is a better manager in the face of adversity. Able to raise squad players' performances and able to fight. Mourinho's whole approach when Son got injured was defeatest. His tatics with 5 at the back, what he said in the media and the tone he set. Not Mourinho's fault, but 5 at the back with 2 in midfield was his setup, and we have not played that system well. That is on Mourinho.

He's not a crap manager overnight. We will rebuild now.
 
spurs' magna carter said:
There's no doubt that Levy is a good chairman and shouldn't be treated like the many con men who taken the healm at other clubs. But is he ,and ENIC for that matter, capable of taking Spurs to the final step?
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Depends on how you define that "final step"; if it's footballing success AND trophies, almost certainly not
 
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