thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Indeed. I will say that at his age I knew far better for a variety of circumstances BUT your point is well-made and (IMO) not beyond the realms of possibility...
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Jake Livermore
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Indeed. I will say that at his age I knew far better for a variety of circumstances BUT your point is well-made and (IMO) not beyond the realms of possibility...
jts1882
Dean Richards
Because Livermore has been found with the a banned drug in his system, while Johnson has been accused of something and is subject to a trial to determine his guilt or innocence. The football authorities tend to keep out of it when there is an ongoing legal case.
As for how the drug got there, it's not relevant. Sportsmen are responsible for what they put in their bodies, intentional or not (except for US sprinters), and suspensions are immediate from the B sample, even before the formal hearing. While I doubt the overall performance enhancing affects, cocaine is a stimulant.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Livermore was suspended before his B sample! That my point. The league and the club were so hands off with Johnson but with Livermore its suspension before he's proven guilty for doing something no one gives a brick about.
Heda SPURSCZ
Steven Caulker
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...osing-child-FA-easy-Hull-City-midfielder.html
Jake Livermore failed a drugs test for cocaine after struggling to cope with the terrible tragedy of losing a child.
While the exact circumstances cannot be revealed for legal reasons, Sportsmail understands 25-year-old Livermore and his partner lost their new-born baby in May last year.
The awful circumstances leave the FA facing a difficult moral dilemma given the seriousness of the case involving the England international footballer.
Jake Livermore failed a drugs test for cocaine after struggling to cope with the terrible tragedy of losing a child.
While the exact circumstances cannot be revealed for legal reasons, Sportsmail understands 25-year-old Livermore and his partner lost their new-born baby in May last year.
The awful circumstances leave the FA facing a difficult moral dilemma given the seriousness of the case involving the England international footballer.
Gazzasrightboot
Pascal Chimbonda
What a truly awful situation.
Whiffler
Jermaine Jenas
Well, maybe he admitted it as part of a mitigtion plea.
As for the comparison .... Johnson will be a trial of the facts and witnesses. Livermore's test proves the offence, testing the second sample is to be doubly sure that the first test was properly handled and the sample not having been contaminated.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Hopefully a sensible middle ground of drugs councilling and community work raising awareness of drugs etc
He can't be "let off" irrespective of the (tragic) circumstances, but at the least it can be made productive in some way.
He can't be "let off" irrespective of the (tragic) circumstances, but at the least it can be made productive in some way.
jts1882
Dean Richards
A reduced ban with a long conditional suspended ban would be sensible. A minimal punishment now, taking account of the circumstances, and a long deferred ban to help make sure he doesn't reoffend. If the reasons for the cocaine taking are genuine this helps him, if they are an excuse he is left with a choice.
Load of flimflam anyway. It's a recreational drug FFS!
It's no business of the FA how players enjoy their time away from the pitch.
It's no business of the FA how players enjoy their time away from the pitch.
This ... fudging common sense every now and then ...
Robbo
Paul Walsh
FA and common sense...well, one can live in hope. Poor lad though, that's the nightmare of all parents.
stinkfoot
Eidur Gudjohnsen
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/news...g-ban-after-testing-positive-for-cocaine.html
It looks like Jake Livermore is to escape a potentially lengthy ban despite having tested positive for cocaine at the end of last season.
Livermore was suspended by Hull and the FA at the arse-end of May after failing a random drug test following the Tigers’ 2-0 win over Crystal Palace in April.
The midfielder was staring down the barrel of a maximum two-year ban.
However, mitigating circumstances arose shortly thereafter when it came to light that Livermore took coke on a night out during a period of deep depression just days after he and his partner lost their new-born baby.
Having taken his personal tragedy into account, the FA have since decided that there were extenuating circumstances to explain Livermore’s failed test and that a further ban will not be necessary.
Whereas an official announcement is still pending, the Daily Mail are reporting that the FA’s decision “reflects a desire to help Livermore and his family put their life back together”.
Obviously, the FA’s ruling on Livermore’s positive test slide once again calls into question their ever-shifting punishment spectrum (Rio Ferdinand was famously banned for eight months for simply “forgetting” to take a drug test), but it stands to reason that their humane verdict is to be commended given the horrendous circumstances.
It looks like Jake Livermore is to escape a potentially lengthy ban despite having tested positive for cocaine at the end of last season.
Livermore was suspended by Hull and the FA at the arse-end of May after failing a random drug test following the Tigers’ 2-0 win over Crystal Palace in April.
The midfielder was staring down the barrel of a maximum two-year ban.
However, mitigating circumstances arose shortly thereafter when it came to light that Livermore took coke on a night out during a period of deep depression just days after he and his partner lost their new-born baby.
Having taken his personal tragedy into account, the FA have since decided that there were extenuating circumstances to explain Livermore’s failed test and that a further ban will not be necessary.
Whereas an official announcement is still pending, the Daily Mail are reporting that the FA’s decision “reflects a desire to help Livermore and his family put their life back together”.
Obviously, the FA’s ruling on Livermore’s positive test slide once again calls into question their ever-shifting punishment spectrum (Rio Ferdinand was famously banned for eight months for simply “forgetting” to take a drug test), but it stands to reason that their humane verdict is to be commended given the horrendous circumstances.
As with all sports, failure to take the test should carry a much harsher punishment than failing one. Otherwise it's far too easy to just not take it.
richardanthonyc
Stuart Nethercott
Reading the full report even with the redaction's is hard reading. Poor Jake, wish him and his missus all the best, can't imagine what he was going through
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
As much as I dislike the drug I really think the FA have done the right thing. The kid was having a tough time and he snorted a line. Hope he focuses on his career going forward and sorts himself out.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I have to amend my earlier suspicions and say I feel terrible for him. I did note that his rep with us was first class and he was gym rat, but looks like it wasn't bad company and eye off the ball (apologies for that assumption on my part) more than despair.
Good luck to him, and for once, the FA appear to have got it right.
Good luck to him, and for once, the FA appear to have got it right.
Gazzasrightboot
Pascal Chimbonda
It's not that often you can say that about the FA. Hope he gets his career back on track.
Seedy Ron
Jimmy Neighbour
Yeah I was overly harsh in my original post on here, should learn to let these things play out before making a judgement.
Must be extremely difficult, condolences to him and his wife, wish them all the best for the future. Glad the FA have taken a sensible course of action.
Must be extremely difficult, condolences to him and his wife, wish them all the best for the future. Glad the FA have taken a sensible course of action.