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[Lilbaz]

Manchester synagogue attack carried out by an radical Islamist so no link to the far left, but OK, you do you.

At no point has anyone denied a rise in antisemitism (from both far right and far left), much of it linked to the Gaza war. But the conflation of criticism of Israel with antisemitism BEFORE October 7th as a deliberate protective action by Israeli politicians has created a cover for antisemites and radicals to increase their attacks post October 7th.

The British arms industry (and government) are massively complicit in who they sell arms to and the blind eye they turn on the legal technicalities of not selling arms that are being used in breach of international law on humanitarian conditions. The public though are basically ignorant of the histories of these conflicts, whereas the Palestine-Israel conflict is much better known. I have no real idea whether the SAF or the RSF are the good guys or the bad guys in Sudan. As far as I can tell they are both bad guys. So who do we protest against and to who? the war in general? The Saudis for their despicable role in the region? The British Government for their role in this? BAE and the UK arms manufacturers?

Yemen the same - the PLC or the SPC? or is it the SRC? Are the Houthis really as bad as the USA and Israelis say they are (in a regional context) or is that geopolitical grandstanding to serve their and Saudi regional interests against Iran? So again, who do you protest against and where?

Palestine is much more binary. Hamas are horrendous but so are the actions of the Israeli government since before Hamas was created. The self-determination issue is clearer as well. The illegality of the occupation (UN resolutions, International criminal Court rulings), the basic idea of sovereignty that Israel ignores to bomb the Lebanon, Iran, Qatar, Syria etc allows more people to have an opinion (justified or not) that they just don't have for the other issues you compare it to.

None of this makes protesters antisemitic or even the deliberate catch-all slur of 'far left'.

Be fascinated (genuinely) to know what your opinions are on the rights and wrongs of Yemen and Sudan as I have read up and followed this all the way through and I genuinely don't have an opinion on what a fair and just outcome to either of those conflicts are. I do for Palestine though.

My thoughts are it's all tragic. There is no good side or evil side in any of these conflicts. Just civilians that suffer. Iran is horrific as it is their own people. The same happens in Saudi though, but they are considered "allies".
Middle east has been at war for thousands of years. We forget that Israel, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon were Christian for a huge part of their history. Muslims came and took over. Jews have always been there.
Personally think protesting does f all.

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

36,500 killed but not much talk on here about it, really confusing for you far left lot. The silence is defeaning your selective outrage appalling. It's almost like you don't care about the people being killed.

Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ own records allegedly acknowledge that more than 36,000 people were killed during the two-day crackdown,

I guess it's because of the people doing the killing. You have picked your side and the can be no questioning of anyone who might have links to it. Be honest it's because the is an islamic side to it and you can't accuse them of doing any wrong. Or the people you truly hate the right wingers will be proved correct, that the is a problem with Islam.

So consumed by hate for people of a different political point of view that you turn a blind eye to the killing of thousands of innocent people, yet comment on every other political topic.

It's actually evil you're intent.

Speaks the person who wants to kick out asylum seekers which will include plenty fleeing this regime.

Seeing the hypocrisy yet?

Iran consistently ranks as one of the top nationalities for irregular migration to the UK, particularly via small boats. In the year ending March 2024, Iranian nationals accounted for 12% (

3,639
) of small boat arrivals, trailing only behind Afghanistan. Iranians were also among the top five nationalities for asylum claims, totaling

7,895
in the year ending September 2024.
Key details on Iranian irregular arrivals and asylum seekers:

• Small Boat Crossings: Iranians are frequently in the top five nationalities for arrivals, with, for example, 3,639 people in the year ending March 2024 and continuing high numbers into 2025.
• Asylum Claims: Iran is a primary country of origin for asylum claims, with high numbers of Iranians, alongside Afghan and Pakistani nationals, seeking protection.
• Refugee Recognition: A high percentage of Iranian nationals crossing the English Channel, often exceeding 50% depending on the study, are eventually recognized as refugees.
• Methods of Entry: Besides small boats, Iranians are often among the top nationalities arriving with inadequate documentation via other methods, such as air travel.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Speaks the person who wants to kick out asylum seekers which will include plenty fleeing this regime.

Seeing the hypocrisy yet?

Iran consistently ranks as one of the top nationalities for irregular migration to the UK, particularly via small boats. In the year ending March 2024, Iranian nationals accounted for 12% (
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3,639
) of small boat arrivals, trailing only behind Afghanistan. Iranians were also among the top five nationalities for asylum claims, totaling
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7,895
in the year ending September 2024.
Key details on Iranian irregular arrivals and asylum seekers:

• Small Boat Crossings: Iranians are frequently in the top five nationalities for arrivals, with, for example, 3,639 people in the year ending March 2024 and continuing high numbers into 2025.
• Asylum Claims: Iran is a primary country of origin for asylum claims, with high numbers of Iranians, alongside Afghan and Pakistani nationals, seeking protection.
• Refugee Recognition: A high percentage of Iranian nationals crossing the English Channel, often exceeding 50% depending on the study, are eventually recognized as refugees.
• Methods of Entry: Besides small boats, Iranians are often among the top nationalities arriving with inadequate documentation via other methods, such as air travel.

They should be claiming asylum in the first safe country they reach.

We neither have the space of homes for them. In an ideal world we could take them all in, we can not. We should be offering them assistance so they can fight in their own country to rid ot of the scum that are shooting babies.

We should also be deporting and blocking any more claims so we can sort out our backlog. But then the asylum returns centre at Gatwick has just dropped it's staff from 30 to 12 so I guess its not a high priority of our government. They need all the new voters it can get.

I hope even you can understand that the world is not as simply and lovey dovey as you liberals would like. This country UK is certainly getting a lot worse due to the policies implemented by the uni parties.

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

They should be claiming asylum in the first safe country they reach.

We neither have the space of homes for them. In an ideal world we could take them all in, we can not. We should be offering them assistance so they can fight in their own country to rid ot of the scum that are shooting babies.

We should also be deporting and blocking any more claims so we can sort out our backlog. But then the asylum returns centre at Gatwick has just dropped it's staff from 30 to 12 so I guess its not a high priority of our government. They need all the new voters it can get.

I hope even you can understand that the world is not as simply and lovey dovey as you liberals would like. This country UK is certainly getting a lot worse due to the policies implemented by the uni parties.

Oh I definitely understand that. The world is close to being fudged and western society in particular is close to being fudged.

I definitely can’t deny that rhere are problems with immigration that need to be dealt with.

I just don’t think that is the biggest problem the world is facing. I think the biggest issue is the accumulation of wealth and power to very small elites in almost every country you care to mention and the heinous acts that they choose to undertake with that world and power. Enabled by the supine compliance of the politicians and the media
We’re reverting back to a feudal society led by crooked billionaire oligarchs (many now on the verge of becoming trillionaires.)

And if we don’t make major changes to our political and financial systems soon that change will be irreversible.

It’s happening in America and will be happening here soon.
“You don’t need healthcare, you don’t need jobs, you don’t need food, you don’t need homes, you don’t need a future” just so long as minority groups are blamed and treated even worse than you then everything will be ok”

this will be compounded by environmental collapse and never ending wars.

George Orwell’s 1984 is inching closer by the day.

We both agree the world is heading toward disaster. We just don’t agree on the root cause

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Oh I definitely understand that. The world is close to being fudged and western society in particular is close to being fudged.

I definitely can’t deny that rhere are problems with immigration that need to be dealt with.

I just don’t think that is the biggest problem the world is facing. I think the biggest issue is the accumulation of wealth and power to very small elites in almost every country you care to mention and the heinous acts that they choose to undertake with that world and power. Enabled by the supine compliance of the politicians and the media
We’re reverting back to a feudal society led by crooked billionaire oligarchs (many now on the verge of becoming trillionaires.)

And if we don’t make major changes to our political and financial systems soon that change will be irreversible.

It’s happening in America and will be happening here soon.
“You don’t need healthcare, you don’t need jobs, you don’t need food, you don’t need homes, you don’t need a future” just so long as minority groups are blamed and treated even worse than you then everything will be ok”

this will be compounded by environmental collapse and never ending wars.

George Orwell’s 1984 is inching closer by the day.

We both agree the world is heading toward disaster. We just don’t agree on the root cause

Billionaires are not my cup of tea, but radical Islam is the biggest problem the West faces.

What has happened in Iran is our future. Labour won't say anything because they want the votes, the Tories are to scared to take a proper stand for being seen racist.

Reform are run by a leader who only wants to be prime minister and has itself to many Muslims in high level positions to be impartial on the issue.

You can see it on here when most don't want to agree on the obvious with the "right" Winger. Even when videos are posted of obscene things said by Muslim imams.

The old troupe, I understand the are issues with immigration does not cut it anymore. The are more then serious issues, the is the rape and assaults of thousands of young girls, murders done by people who should not be in the country.

Increasing evidence of the true financial cost of it on the country. This is not the early 2000s when I could agree that people like Nick Griffin were the problem.

The fact that I now hold these views show how much the elite from the Tories and Labour have let us down. I think some on here would be shocked if they realised the true level of anger amongst normal people. People I meet from middle class backgrounds are actually more motivated about it then the working class population who after 30 plus years of abuse seem rather brow beaten to me. The state of Hoplesness amongst those has shocked me.

Rest assured Europe's future whether it takes 20 years is only going to get worse.