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Maybe but I think if you are going to create a label for their failures you have to even it up to praise their success.

Many managers have been in the right place at the right time and messed up golden periods, so management isnt that easy
 
Grays_1890 said:
Maybe but I think if you are going to create a label for their failures you have to even it up to praise their success.

Many managers have been in the right place at the right time and messed up golden periods, so management isnt that easy
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My point is that brief (relative) success doesn't make you a great manager. Sometimes it just clicks for reasons that can't be predicted. I've seen suggestions that England should have gone for Lagerbäck. That would never work as the attitude and mentality of the England players are completely different. It's why Southgate will never achieve anything either, he strikes me as someone who's happy to just plod along. He will pick the same players because they're at the biggest clubs and has no drive or ambition. If they lose he can still pick up his paycheck and go home to his family. Neither is he going to forge a supertight defensive unit. England might have more luck picking players from the bottom half clubs as they'll be used to sitting back and putting in a shift. I'm not sure if a manager exists that can inspire performances from the current bunch of overpaid primadonnas and their massive egos.
 
The problem is the FA, the Media, the Fans, and the man on the Clapham omnibus have deluded themselves into think we have good players, we haven't. That's why I thought Fat Sam was a good choice, he might have been able to get England playing negative, scrappy football which f***** up the opposition. Ugly to watch but better than watching us trying to play the slow, unimaginative stuff we believe is controlled football. If people were honest they would say the Euros was a crap competition won by a team playing brick football and they had one of the best players in the history of the game. The only way forward for England at present is to make ourselves hard to beat and capitalise on mistakes of opponents until we can produce intelligent, technical players, this is going to be virtually impossible as the Premier League clubs don't care about England and want quick fix solutions to their teams.

The best manager in the world (who he?) could not get the present crop of players available into a winning side playing good football, you can't make bricks without straw!
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
That's why I thought Fat Sam was a good choice, he might have been able to get England playing negative, scrappy football which f***** up the opposition
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See that what I wanted from us too. I look at these countries with average at best players who create a bubble around the squad, a siege mentality, us against the world, but what you get with those countries isn't just a manager and players in that mindset, the media and fans are on the same page. No one to spoil whats being achieved or undermine the manager. I think England need to turn up to a tournament with a "we are here to spoil the party" mentality, more than we are going to win it.
 
Grays_1890 said:
See that what I wanted from us too. I look at these countries with average at best players who create a bubble around the squad, a siege mentality, us against the world, but what you get with those countries isn't just a manager and players in that mindset, the media and fans are on the same page. No one to spoil whats being achieved or undermine the manager. I think England need to turn up to a tournament with a "we are here to spoil the party" mentality, more than we are going to win it.
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For England players it becomes us against the English. As soon as they pull on the sort they get stick, why bother.
 
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How on earth will you manage now?
 
Ok then, I'll admit it. I quite like Southgate.

For me he has the most important quality I look for in an England manager - dignity. I also think he's progressive enough that our players won't be damaged by working with him (like they would have with Allardyce).
 
I hope he does a good job, he has always seemed an old fashioned manager to me, in that he does the job without looking to promote himself and be "a personality". I agree he always appears focused on his teams performance rather than sound bites. I wonder how many "journalist" have been allocated to the project of find dirt on him, his family, his dog, anyone he's every spoke to or any other weak links.
 
Love how Rooney gets hung out to dry by the press for drinking yet Firmino goes drink driving and they make a pun after he scores.

Oh how I hate this sport sometimes
 
Wonder how many we will have in the England squad next week, got a feeling we will get some injuries while the boys are away with the National sides.
 
Grays_1890 said:
See that what I wanted from us too. I look at these countries with average at best players who create a bubble around the squad, a siege mentality, us against the world, but what you get with those countries isn't just a manager and players in that mindset, the media and fans are on the same page. No one to spoil whats being achieved or undermine the manager. I think England need to turn up to a tournament with a "we are here to spoil the party" mentality, more than we are going to win it.
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I think people in this country pay to much attention to the media and hold to much reverence over what the media say, I see this in several different areas of public life.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I think people in this country pay to much attention to the media and hold to much reverence over what the media say, I see this in several different areas of public life.
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I also see it alot, like I said its bread into all folds of the English game.

I know there are only one off's and being England comes with a level of expectancy, but its amazing how you get a Greece, Wales, Iceland, Turkey etc etc that manage to beat "better teams" with an all at one mentality, imagine applying that to a half decent team like England rather than this segmented feeling in every game/tournament.
 
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