HRH Queenie

[Mikey10]

Not that it will help matters but the process and procedure for the whole operation has been around for a long time.
This plan is 23 years old so existed under a labour government as well as a Tory one
I’ve had colleagues all around the world comment on it positively
The only ones who have been negative are in these shores
When we talk about class systems as control now we’re behest to a different model… the reliance on technology and data to control yoj instead. We’re slaves to those machines and the difference is there not visual like a castle or a crown

A sensible protester picks and chooses their moments
A reactionary one doesn’t

This is honestly worth a read. Certainly sums up much of my take on the last 10 days.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-that-transcend-logic?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[Gutter Boy]

A sensible protester picks and chooses their moments
A reactionary one doesn’t

We weren't talking about boisterous marches. People were being arrested for holding bits of paper with the words 'not my king' on. Someone got attacked by a mob for calling the sweaty one a nonce. Match of the Day edited all the booing out of the minute silences - proper Stalinist propaganda work. That's not the way a liberal democracy behaves. Tolerance means shrugging at things you don't like, not oppressing it.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

We weren't talking about boisterous marches. People were being arrested for holding bits of paper with the words 'not my king' on. Someone got attacked by a mob for calling the sweaty one a nonce. Match of the Day edited all the booing out of the minute silences - proper Stalinist propaganda work. That's not the way a liberal democracy behaves. Tolerance means shrugging at things you don't like, not oppressing it.

Where were these people before she died?
I’d you have an opinion, own it. Take action whilst you can
Don’t be weak and do it afterwards
I’ve worked in Whitehall and around that area and I’ve seen real protesters. People who have issues with their former countries and doing hunger strikes for example.
people with tents on parliament square again highlighting their issues
These “protesters” were people looking for their 15 minutes

 

[Bedfordspurs]

This is honestly worth a read. Certainly sums up much of my take on the last 10 days.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-that-transcend-logic?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The best thing I’ve read about the whole thing was a article about the queue in GQ
It had a natural left wing bias from the writer but it also highlighted the Britishness of it all (queuing to see a box you can’t actually see)

I’ll just add I’m no fan of the guardian since I challenged them on some Covid claims directly that a 5 year old could work out, but their lead reporter couldn’t. I do listen to their football pod though

i should like their reporting as I’m normally of a liberal favour but i find their need to literally find fault in everything that goes in from the government quite toxic (again my example above was classic). Criticising something is easy, but suggesting what else to do is much harder. They as a paper never really come up with the alternatives which is a shame

 

[glasgowspur]

This is honestly worth a read. Certainly sums up much of my take on the last 10 days.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-that-transcend-logic?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What power does the crown have?
Deployment of armed services? In conflict, Since when?
Make or break treaties? Really?
Yes the crown does still dole out honours, but most are "suggested" by the government of the day.

 

[Grays_1890]

Where were these people before she died?
I’d you have an opinion, own it. Take action whilst you can
Don’t be weak and do it afterwards
I’ve worked in Whitehall and around that area and I’ve seen real protesters. People who have issues with their former countries and doing hunger strikes for example.
people with tents on parliament square again highlighting their issues
These “protesters” were people looking for their 15 minutes

It's also a case for me that regardless how you feel about the Royals it's hard to suggest that she doesn't deserve a measly 10 days of respect.

I would also argue that alot of the strongest views on both sides are over inflated, I wouldn't say the royals have had a profound impact on my life so find it difficult that people can make such a big deal about how negative or positive they have affected their lives. For me they exist and I can handle it without having much care about it either way TBH

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It's also a case for me that regardless how you feel about the Royals it's hard to suggest that she doesn't deserve a measly 10 days of respect.

I would also argue that alot of the strongest views on both sides are over inflated, I wouldn't say the royals have had a profound impact on my life so find it difficult that people can make such a big deal about how negative or positive they have affected their lives. For me they exist and I can handle it without having much care about it either way TBH

Which is kinda how I am
They exist
They don’t hurt me or influence me
I like the old buildings when i wander around London
They are much less dangerous than some of the bell ends we have elected into power

what I don’t like is when things like this happen every proton wheeled out to talk is a plummy private school old codger… that’s not how I think the royal family want to operate… but it’s the same old, same old a lot of the time

 

[P.D.]

Yeh I think he will be decent, so far he seems a more open and accessible royal and apparently has modern ideas of a slim line more public facing role, suppose time will tell. I think the real change will come with William who will see us move to the more Scandi royals in my opinion with the side benefit of the global obsession with his wife which will appease the tourism side of their benefit.

Got a mate who worked at the Princes Trust for a few years, said he was a really nice guy and pretty down to earth (as much as you can be in his position) and was well liked by everyone there.

Impressive spectacle today, think we do these types of occasions really well.

Can't imagine how hard it must be going through all that in public, they've had no time to grieve at all.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Which is kinda how I am
They exist
They don’t hurt me or influence me
I like the old buildings when i wander around London
They are much less dangerous than some of the bell ends we have elected into power

what I don’t like is when things like this happen every proton wheeled out to talk is a plummy private school old codger… that’s not how I think the royal family want to operate… but it’s the same old, same old a lot of the time

A practical suggestion, as part of a modernising agenda. They should introduce a diversity quota that 93% of all royal employees should be state school educated. Set an example for government and eventually corporations to follow.

 

[Gutter Boy]

What power does the crown have?
Deployment of armed services? In conflict, Since when?
Make or break treaties? Really?
Yes the crown does still dole out honours, but most are "suggested" by the government of the day.

The monarch should have one power - to dissolve parliament and call a general election. That's it. That's their fundamental constitutional role, to be able to bring down a rogue government (like Victor Emmanuel in 1943). Everything else (including their landholding) should go.

 

[thfcsteff]

Then that is the perfect sweet spot. And it's not on him. He cannot win, if that is true. Impossible job.
I think he'll do great, because he's a super boring old Royal, well versed in the job, but also has some eco-credentials so will want to improve things; sounds perfect.

Indeed. I would not be unhappy to be proven wrong.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Love how all the right wing tropes come out,ie she understood this and she understood that and she was connected and she symbolized continuity and stability. It's a big con, yet yet the masses lap it up. They will say the same bulllbrick about Charles too, whether he is or isn't. We are talking here about a man who has never even dressed himself, so I don't think he will be particularly 'connected', to anything that is even remotely relevant to the British people. I guess all the pomp and ceremony makes them feel a bit special too. Until the next time that is.

 

[glasgowspur]

The monarch should have one power - to dissolve parliament and call a general election. That's it. That's their fundamental constitutional role, to be able to bring down a rogue government (like Victor Emmanuel in 1943). Everything else (including their landholding) should go.

The victor emmanuel that "disposed" his government as the allies invaded his country, and was stuck between them and the nazis? Not sure how anything that happened to Italy, its monarch, fascist leadership or in general can in any way be compared to any situation that has occurred in the uk in centuries.

 

[Baleforce]

Well we’ve certainly ticked a few of these boxes already…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571966446032371715

 

[spurspinter1]

Where were these people before she died?
I’d you have an opinion, own it. Take action whilst you can
Don’t be weak and do it afterwards
I’ve worked in Whitehall and around that area and I’ve seen real protesters. People who have issues with their former countries and doing hunger strikes for example.
people with tents on parliament square again highlighting their issues
These “protesters” were people looking for their 15 minutes

That's quite the sweeping statement.

And "take action while you can, don't be weak and do it afterwards" - The only possible time people can take action is the present, I have no idea what you are getting at with that one.

You may reply about people simply joining in because it's fashionable and I'll refer you to my first sentence.

Also, if people weren't bothered about the monarchy before the passing of the queen, but have now become more aware of the darker aspects of the monarchy (or monarchies in general) and now choose to protest, what's the problem with that? Every movement has to start somewhere (unless our lizard overlords finally get round to banning protest and free speech).

 

[Kandi1977]

The monarch should have one power - to dissolve parliament and call a general election. That's it. That's their fundamental constitutional role, to be able to bring down a rogue government (like Victor Emmanuel in 1943). Everything else (including their landholding) should go.

In what has become practise, the British monarchs "power" is exercised by 3 rights.
– the right to be consulted, the right to encourage and the right to warn."

 

[Bedfordspurs]

That's quite the sweeping statement.

And "take action while you can, don't be weak and do it afterwards" - The only possible time people can take action is the present, I have no idea what you are getting at with that one.

You may reply about people simply joining in because it's fashionable and I'll refer you to my first sentence.

Also, if people weren't bothered about the monarchy before the passing of the queen, but have now become more aware of the darker aspects of the monarchy (or monarchies in general) and now choose to protest, what's the problem with that? Every movement has to start somewhere (unless our lizard overlords finally get round to banning protest and free speech).

My statement is that if you have an issue with anything and feel the right to protest… do so
But don’t wait
One of the protesters… who wasn’t arrested but made out he was…. Was a lawyer who openly said he wasn’t protesting against the monarchy, purely about addressing free speech
That’s jumping on a bandwagon for me.

your not gonna convince me these are people reacting to suddenly finding out about darker aspects im afraid… she was in power for 70 years. It’s not new

people who genuinely have an issue take action

Lets relate it to Tottenham

Remember the failed anti ENIC protests which actually consisted of a few old men getting drunk outside the ground. Compare that to uniteds fans protests. Some even started another club

 

[Grays_1890]

Lets relate it to Tottenham

Remember the failed anti ENIC protests which actually consisted of a few old men getting drunk outside the ground. Compare that to uniteds fans protests. Some even started another club

And similarly the 1000s of London based Twitter accounts with #enicout bios who screamed daily online and did nothing about it?

I can't help think on both ends of the spectrum that people just enjoy howling at the moon about things because it's a sense of belonging

 

[Bedfordspurs]

And similarly the 1000s of London based Twitter accounts with #enicout bios who screamed daily online and did nothing about it?

I can't help think on both ends of the spectrum that people just enjoy howling at the moon about things because it's a sense of belonging

Nothing wrong with wanting to belong
That’s what we like as humans imo
But the Tottenham protests were comedy gold to me

 

[Grays_1890]

Nothing wrong with wanting to belong
That’s what we like as humans imo
But the Tottenham protests were comedy gold to me

Nothing wrong at all but thats why like I say earlier I take the extremities with a pinch of salt. If you have a true belief you would turn up and protest Enic Out if thats your thing, if you don't then its not really a belief more a belonging. Im just saying there is a difference in my opinion

I agree with what you have said previously too