• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

Harry Kane MBE

I wonder what Laporte's wages are, and if he'd consider the swap. He wasn't playing all the games for them was he? Would like to see Romero and Laporte I think they form a strong partnership. Laporte has the height and more experience, Romero the tenacity and drive.
£120k a week apparently and he has indicated that he wants out of Emirates Marketing Project after losing his starting place in the team to Dias. The question is whether he would be prepared to drop from a top tier European team to a 3rd tier European team as we have become these past 3 years.
 
Maybe his phone died of battery and his car wouldn't start.

I remember calling in sickies all the time when I was younger, the washing machine flooded along with my cat dying "twice" amongst others. All valid reasons that could have stopped him from making training, twice.
 
This was about the amount that I thought that Levy would end up selling him for.

I think what will happen in the end is that there will be various bonuses in the deal and at least one player (overvalued) so that we can announce a headline figure of ££150 or £160m that in reality is more like £120m or £130m. The only question now is the timing IMO along with whether we only have money from sales to spend this window or whether we can spend what we generate plus another £40 to £50m. If the latter then we could come out of selling Kane in a better place overall for the medium term future of the club.

In some ways this is where having a chairman who is reasonably unpopular with the fanbase hurts us. Levy may dig his heels in so as not to become even more unpopular with the fans when in actual fact bringing in a good number for Kane and giving the new manager new players early on to strengthen the squad would be the right thing to do. Leicester's owner is far more popular with their fans than Levy is with ours and this has allowed them to benefit from selling their best player for decent money at the right time.

I think we have to accept that Kane will not be at Spurs next season. If he is then we'll have £120m+ hole in our finances for strengthening the team along with a player who won't be putting his all in (as we saw with Eriksen in the last 18 months or so of his contract).

The chairman needs to sanction the DoF to spend the money for Harry's replacements (and it needs to be two players) right now so that we have a strong hand here and not let us go into the season with only one senior centre forward on the books who doesn't want to play for us.

Why do you keep thinking we have to get fudged in this deal? we have never accepted less than fair value for any of Bale, Modric, Carrick, Berbatov (most were in fact some kind of record)

We don't have to settle for any fudging number and try to inflate it, you are one of the few fans who is think Levy is the one coming out of this looking looking bad (hint, it's Kane looking like a clam here)

Kane is panicking here because he's the one out in the open, he's mistimed this badly, if he wanted to leave Spurs, the time was two years ago. Next season Haaland has a cheap release clause and Mbappe will be free and he will be one year older but still with two years left on his contract. City hasn't come for him like expected and he's desperate.

This is a math problem, either City come up with something close to £140M cash +extras or Kane plays for us for another season (unless you really think he's going to down his tools for a full season), there is no loss for us.
 
Why do you keep thinking we have to get fudged in this deal? we have never accepted less than fair value for any of Bale, Modric, Carrick, Berbatov (most were in fact some kind of record)

We don't have to settle for any fudging number and try to inflate it, you are one of the few fans who is think Levy is the one coming out of this looking looking bad (hint, it's Kane looking like a clam here)

Kane is panicking here because he's the one out in the open, he's mistimed this badly, if he wanted to leave Spurs, the time was two years ago. Next season Haaland has a cheap release clause and Mbappe will be free and he will be one year older but still with two years left on his contract. City hasn't come for him like expected and he's desperate.

This is a math problem, either City come up with something close to £140M cash +extras or Kane plays for us for another season (unless you really think he's going to down his tools for a full season), there is no loss for us.

You have outlined why Kane staying for another season isn’t in his best interests. In a summer in which Haaland and Mbappe may both be switching clubs, Kane is a less attractive proposition due to his age and injuries record. Having stayed at the club to this point, this is the summer that it’s in best interests for both Spurs and Kane for the right deal to be struck if he is to exit.
 
£120k a week apparently and he has indicated that he wants out of Emirates Marketing Project after losing his starting place in the team to Dias. The question is whether he would be prepared to drop from a top tier European team to a 3rd tier European team as we have become these past 3 years.

110 fee, 30-50 bonuses, and Laport with city paying 20k of his wages, and they can have the best forward in the world right now.
 
Then the club should make a statement saying that Kane isn’t expected to return until this later date. The fact that the club has remained quiet in all this speaks volumes.

He was expected to return. As he was last year. No doubt he wants to create a bit more leverage. But your point was it isn't being blown out of proportion. If Kane is back training this week, I think it has been.
 
Not sure how you come to that conclusion

- Why would Kane not turn up for training, get fined, ruin his reputation if the deal is agreed?

If paperwork is done, just keep quiet (see Grealish training at Villa) until agreed point.

Why would City pay a fee we would accept and not want him immediately?

Why did bale? He disappeared to spain, on "holiday".

Do you not remember how the bale deal unfolded? Both clubs kept quiet so spurs could get their transfers in before it was announced. Looks like the same is happening here.
 
This is going to get horribly messy and be a massive hinderance to the start of our season.
I think I said much earlier in this thread that Kane had asked to leave last summer and Levy had asked him to give one more year. It was all quite amicable and kept out of the press as a result. My guess is that Levy has reneged on the agreement (Modric had a similar situation as well I remember).

Ah come on. There are a lot of sticks to beat Levy with but you're inventing stuff here. Everything I've ever read about Levy by those who dealt with him say he's a prick to deal with, a tough negotiator but is fair and honourable. In the documentary (yes I know it's largely a PR job), he seemed to be very straight with Eriksen.

If Kane believes he had a gentleman's agreement on something this huge, he should have gotten something in writing. That's basic business. It also defies belief to think that Levy would agree to sell him for £100m knowing he's worth more than that particularly with our financial situation. It just doesn't stack up for Levy to agree to sell below market value for his best player when he's famed for getting fees above market value and sometimes destroying deals because of that approach.
 
You have outlined why Kane staying for another season isn’t in his best interests. In a summer in which Haaland and Mbappe may both be switching clubs, Kane is a less attractive proposition due to his age and injuries record. Having stayed at the club to this point, this is the summer that it’s in best interests for both Spurs and Kane for the right deal to be struck if he is to exit.

But the highlighted part is the one that matters, right deal

It's simply not worth it for Spurs to sell Kane for £20-£40M below market value this season, next season he still will be worth £80M-£100M and having him could get us back to CL

the problem for Kane is the top clubs will be fighting for the above two next season, so he might not get the City/Madrid type offers, but that's his problem not ours

Again, I'm not saying we won't sell but I really don't know how people who have followed this club think Levy is going to roll over for anyone/City because Harry throws a tantrum.
 
How has Kane not turning up been blow out of proportion? He’s obviously made a decision to down tools. This has been reported upon as such and people are voicing their opinions about it. If there was another reason for his failure to attend, other than throwing a tantrum as we won’t let him join City for sofa change, then I’m sure that would have been reported too.

My assumption is that it was a way to try to force the issue - he and the club have spoken in the last 24 hours and there has been some agreement on the way forward i.e. Spurs saying we wont stand in his way, but that we're not selling him on the cheap. Kane has ramped up the pressure and remains to be seen whether Emirates Marketing Project play ball.

He'll be back in training and we'll see whether a deal is agreed. My assumption is that it will, with some combination of Laporte, Stones, Jesus, Silva and a wedge of cash coming our way
 
Why did bale? He disappeared to spain, on "holiday".

Do you not remember how the bale deal unfolded? Both clubs kept quiet so spurs could get their transfers in before it was announced. Looks like the same is happening here.

Not near the same mate, Bale and Madrid weren't in the papers talking about lowball numbers everyday.

Levy has made it clear, he sells our bets players for the best prices, and with two offers on table he will go with lower one if it means non PL rival sale.

This is the mix that doesn't work for Kane, we aren't going to take a lowball offer +sell to PL rival at same time.
 
My assumption is that it was a way to try to force the issue - he and the club have spoken in the last 24 hours and there has been some agreement on the way forward i.e. Spurs saying we wont stand in his way, but that we're not selling him on the cheap. Kane has ramped up the pressure and remains to be seen whether Emirates Marketing Project play ball.

He'll be back in training and we'll see whether a deal is agreed. My assumption is that it will, with some combination of Laporte, Stones, Jesus, Silva and a wedge of cash coming our way

I would be happy to see £100m + Bernardo Silva and add ons. But I doubt that will happen.
 
Good article by Delaney

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/harry-kane-transfer-tottenham-man-city-b1895763.html

independent.co.uk
Harry Kane considers transfer request but ill-judged tactics only rile Daniel Levy
5-6 minutes
Harry Kane is considering an official transfer request, as he attempts to force a move to Emirates Marketing Project.

Some close to Tottenham Hotspur believe it could come in the next few days. The striker will at least return to the club in that time, in what will naturally be perceived as a u-turn.

Not many think any of this will have any tangible effect on the situation.

The truth is that only one thing changes that. That is Emirates Marketing Project putting in the kind of bid that Daniel Levy would find acceptable.

It is why, if the big question right now is how likely it is that Kane gets his move, many say the answer is that it just isn’t happening.

On City’s side, the hierarchy are currently considering what type of bid to submit. The club do have to balance Financial Fair Play requirements, and several sources say they can’t currently afford both Jack Grealish and Kane if it comes down to straight cash offers.

That might be different if City manage to off-load a player or two, and they had previously made all of Raheem Sterling, Riyad Mahrez, Bernardo Silva, Gabriel Jesus and Aymeric Laporte available.

In a market where there is so little cash, though, all of the big clubs are struggling to sell players. It is why the expectation is that City will eventually submit a bid worth up to £150m, but with the value made up by players.

Two further factors complicate this, showing how far Kane is away from his dream move. One is that most of those players mentioned don’t want to drop out of the Champions League to play for Spurs. Why would any player willingly go? There are also questions over whether Spurs would even find them palatable.

When reports came out last week that the London club would agree to a sale, some senior figures appended laughing emojis to messages linking the stories. It was seen as preposterous.

Levy didn’t respond with laughter. He is said to have been furious, with his resolve to keep Kane only strengthened. The player is likely to be fined.

Many in the game have wondered about the tactics of the Kane camp throughout this.

One of the biggest questions is why his brother Charlie, who is his agent, hasn’t sought some outside help. It isn’t even necessarily a question of experience.

A super-agent with a lot of clients and influence, for example, could have gone to Levy with a lot more leverage. Agreements could have been struck about future deals. That’s how these agreements are generally struck. Personal favours and relationships are leaned on.

As it is, the Kanes have no leverage - beyond the notion of “a gentleman’s agreement”. That is just never going to trump the realities of contract law, and it remains baffling as to why the player agreed to a six-year deal in 2018.

It seemed woefully ill-advised at the time, no matter how good Spurs were under Mauricio Pochettino.

When it was announced, one elite coach - who has long coveted and admired Kane - quipped to a colleague: “congratulations, you’ve just signed up to six years of winning nothing.”

It seems like this might have belatedly dawned on Kane, his ambition for trophies only fired by how close England got in Euro 2020.

It has left a situation where the striker didn’t show up to the first two days of training. These were tactics that were just never going to work with Levy.

It is not just the attempt to strong-arm him. There’s also the potential precedent. It might even make this the important refusal of Levy's entire time in charge.

Given how strong the Spurs chairman has been in terms of holding wantaway players to contracts - as this situation brings to an extreme - it would set completely the wrong example to show that all they need to do is not turn up for training.

This is why Monday’s move was so baffling, particularly for a player seen as diligent and responsible as Kane.

To put it into context, it is not something Paul Pogba has ever considered - and that despite all of the comparatively unfair criticism he has received over his own desire to leave Manchester United. It should maybe change perceptions of both. Kane has certainly lost a lot of goodwill.

Monday’s move might have even upped any potential sale price by about £50m.

There’s another side to that, though.
City obviously greatly rate Kane and would love him at the right price. It’s just that "the right price" might be some way off Levy’s exorbitant demands when you take into account the fact that the striker is 28, in this market. City could just be better off waiting.

There’s also the fact that Pep Guardiola now wants a straight number nine, but Kane is really a “9.5”, who actively seeks to drop back into the areas that players like Kevin De Bruyne occupy.

Would this really be worth such an outlay?

Are the potential gains really worth the events of the last few days, and maybe putting in a transfer request?

It doesn’t feel like it. Many supporters are already enraged. Levy is emboldened.

The problem is that, right now, nobody sees Kane being a City player at the end of this window.
 
We have sold one player in the last 8 years that was we likely wanted to keep (Walker), most that people refer to i.e. Berbs/Modric/Bale, etc were 8-13 years ago. The club that sold Berbatov is not the club today.

I do agree having Levy on our side is nothing but a good thing in this scenario.

This is simple math problem now, are City willing to get to a reasonable figure, are they really interested (they could close the deal tomorrow if they really "wanted" Kane)
Note quite.... We wanted to keep Eriksen and sold him (too late and for way less than he was worth due to selling too late).
The club that sold Berbatov was a Europa League club.... that is the same club that we have become again (actually slipping one level further than that this season).

Prior to the neglect from the owners of the club that happened under Pochettino we had been a genuine challenger for the big trophies. While we were properly challenging for the big trophies our players good enough to play for teams that challenge for the big trophies had no reason to leave. All footballers want to play at their appropriate level. Kane knows that his level is a vastly above the level of THFC right now.

I am less confident than you are that having Levy on our side is a good thing. I think it is better to get the business done early and get in reinforcements that the manager can integrate and use this season, hopefully from the very start as opposed to us squeezing a few more £s out of the sale but doing the deal late so that we go into the season with question marks and perhaps without adequate replacements. I hope that Levy has learned from his previous mistakes but unfortunately am not holding my breath on it.
 
As if City gives a brick, here how I see it

#1 Priority for City is Grealish, young, closer to their normal price range and aligned to the type of player Pep likes
#2 Is Haaland next summer at €75M euro release clause
#3 Kane is they can get a heavily below market rate

All their actions and historical way of operating point to that. Harry having idiot family as an advisor isn't seeing it.

What pressure is he putting on City? Pep will be delighted to play false 9s until the end of time ..

This is a busy thread and you’ve presumably missed out a lot of reading and nuance.

I largely agree with you and have liked some of your posts on this thread.

There are three parties, only City can make the next move. Thus they are under pressure from Harry’s strike. They’ve been playing games to date.

I also agree that City might as well wait another season and get Haaland and are not all in for Harry. Kane’s hand is the weakest of the three parties, Levy’s is the strongest.
 
He was expected to return. As he was last year. No doubt he wants to create a bit more leverage. But your point was it isn't being blown out of proportion. If Kane is back training this week, I think it has been.

Not really though. If his original stance was to dig his heels in and not come back until the transfer was agreed, then the coverage has been in proportion for a big story about one of the world's best goal scorers trying to force a move away by effectively going on strike, and in a window when not a great deal else is happening. If he comes back now because he and the club have agreed a face saving way out for both of them, that doesn't make the original coverage out of proportion. It certainly doesn't seem like he had the club's permission to stay away.
Either way, it will be good if he shows up later in the week, with the intent to train. (Although come back Thursday/Friday, it will be covid testing then fitness testing, then the weekend. So he might never train with us again anyway).
 
My assumption is that it was a way to try to force the issue - he and the club have spoken in the last 24 hours and there has been some agreement on the way forward i.e. Spurs saying we wont stand in his way, but that we're not selling him on the cheap. Kane has ramped up the pressure and remains to be seen whether Emirates Marketing Project play ball.

He'll be back in training and we'll see whether a deal is agreed. My assumption is that it will, with some combination of Laporte, Stones, Jesus, Silva and a wedge of cash coming our way

what would be truly hilarious is
- Us taking £130M +2 players
- Paratici turning those two players around immediately for £70M
 
If the window slams shut and Kane is still here, does anyone actual envisage he will just down tools? I dont. Other than trophies, scoring records is the thing he is most bothered about and he's not going to just stop trying if he is made to stay here. Another reason, why Levy is right to stick to his valuation - if it is met then fine, and if it isnt then he stays because he will still be putting in the numbers for us...
It's not about 'downing tools' it is about the fact that top level football is hugely competitive and even being 1% off of your best really shows. We saw how Eriksen's star waned for us in his last 18 months or so, he hadn't downed tools but when your heart and head are elsewhere your performance is going to suffer. It does Spurs no good at all to keep Kane for this season and that's before you take into account the media circus that would follow us everwhere. We now need to strike the balance between getting the right price and selling at the right time to enable replacements to come in and hit the ground running (ideally those replacements need to be secured THIS week)
 
Back