Harry Kane MBE

[FatBloke]

There is an argument to suggest there is far to much made of the trophies in sport argument though. Yes they are there to win and are the aim but sports people are probably just by being professionals in the top 1-2% of the populations by just being a pro and as much as we all love to debate the game, myself included, who are we really to suggest what constitutes success for any player? Whats to say that just turning pro is not the ambition some player has and just by reaching that anything more is beyond their dreams? The percentages I speak of suggest that idea is much more likely than believing a career is only a success if you win something. I would say as an "Ok" player in his day who played to step 4 that turning pro would have been an ambition fulfilled, playing for one of the worlds biggest clubs ever in Spurs would be beyond those ambitions and becoming theirs and the countries record goal scorer would be beyond wildest dreams. I would say that putting those successes and filing in a compartment named failure is actually laughable when you think about it.

And that is why you and I aren't professional footballers. Although you've got closer to it than I have, of course. Just to get to that level in the pyramid requires incredible amounts of drive, confidence and desire, in addition to talent and support. The few that make it to Prem level have to be driven to be the very best, and willing to sacrifice everything for that.

Sure, there are a few mercurial talents who seem to just rock up, put their boots on, and be bloody amazing, but how much do we really see behind the scenes? What's beyond doubt is the amount of work that Kane has always put in. Almost by definition, he strives to be the very best. Anything less is failure - it may be acceptable failure, but I'll bet our Harry doesn't go to bed at night thinking "Haaland's got another bloody goal. Oh well, never mind."

 

[Grays_1890]

And that is why you and I aren't professional footballers. Although you've got closer to it than I have, of course. Just to get to that level in the pyramid requires incredible amounts of drive, confidence and desire, in addition to talent and support. The few that make it to Prem level have to be driven to be the very best, and willing to sacrifice everything for that.

Sure, there are a few mercurial talents who seem to just rock up, put their boots on, and be bloody amazing, but how much do we really see behind the scenes? What's beyond doubt is the amount of work that Kane has always put in. Almost by definition, he strives to be the very best. Anything less is failure - it may be acceptable failure, but I'll bet our Harry doesn't go to bed at night thinking "Haaland's got another bloody goal. Oh well, never mind."

Of course, I'm talking from what others perceptions are of him and what they consider success for Kane. If Kane does nothing in his career but break the Spurs and England scoring records he will stand alone as unique in those two achievements which can't be disputed or questioned. Will that be enough for Kane? Who knows but for anyone outside to question his "success" based on him standing alone and unique in those achievements which require their own level of greatness that no one else will have achieved for our club or country....na I can't be having it.



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[Lilbaz]

Of course, I'm talking from what others perceptions are of him and what they consider success for Kane. If Kane does nothing in his career but break the Spurs and England scoring records he will stand alone as unique in those two achievements which can't be disputed or questioned. Will that be enough for Kane? Who knows but for anyone outside to question his "success" based on him standing alone and unique in those achievements which require their own level of greatness that no one else will have achieved for our club or country....na I can't be having it.



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He'll have a statue and probably a stand named after him. Be loved and treated like a GHod everytime he visits the stadium.

And he can win a fudging trophy! We are not some leper league 2 club that it's impossible for us to win. Yeah we fudged up in the past. That doesn't dictate the future though.

 

[spurspinter1]

This whole trophy issue is driven by media they have no heart or love of the game, they only want to sell to the most buyers/viewers/readers so must over hype winning a trophy as that attracts people who feel they are achieving something in their empty lives by clinging on to a winner. How many people know the players in the Blackburn league winners team or how many medals Luke Chadwick or Henning Berg have or who played left back for Sunderland when they last won the cup? People will know of Harry Kane long after all these pundits are on the dust heap.

I do kind of see what you're getting at, and there is no entitlement we have as a fan base to win stuff, and whilst there may be certain narratives driven by various parts of the media - We still haven't won anything in a long ol' time, that's not the media, that's an accurate reflection of our participation in cup / league competitions since 2008.

Sure, if we'd have won just one league cup during the time of Poch, Jose,, Redknapp, Conte, Nuno etc we'd no doubt be derided for only having won one trophy, but wouldn't you rather be mocked for winning one trophy rather than none?

I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting sport is only about winning things but we are a conundrum of a club over the last 10 - 15 years especially, so very close to greatness and the journey has been beautiful at times, but also just consistently not quite making it passed what could have been. Given the talent we've had on the pitch and in the dugout, I think there should be an element of healthy embarrassment or at least acknowledging that we haven't made the most of it, ideally it'll drive us to do better moving forwards.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

He'll have a statue and probably a stand named after him. Be loved and treated like a GHod everytime he visits the stadium.

And he can win a fudging trophy! We are not some leper league 2 club that it's impossible for us to win. Yeah we fudged up in the past. That doesn't dictate the future though.

I'm not for stands being named after staff, no one has, or will ever be bigger than the club, they all contribute in their own way and should be remembered and appreciated but who could make a call on who should be honoured above all the great people who have served the club in many capacities.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I do kind of see what you're getting at, and there is no entitlement we have as a fan base to win stuff, and whilst there may be certain narratives driven by various parts of the media - We still haven't won anything in a long ol' time, that's not the media, that's an accurate reflection of our participation in cup / league competitions since 2008.

Sure, if we'd have won just one league cup during the time of Poch, Jose,, Redknapp, Conte, Nuno etc we'd no doubt be derided for only having won one trophy, but wouldn't you rather be mocked for winning one trophy rather than none?

I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting sport is only about winning things but we are a conundrum of a club over the last 10 - 15 years especially, so very close to greatness and the journey has been beautiful at times, but also just consistently not quite making it passed what could have been. Given the talent we've had on the pitch and in the dugout, I think there should be an element of healthy embarrassment or at least acknowledging that we haven't made the most of it, ideally it'll drive us to do better moving forwards.

I want us to win a trophy as much as the next person, but it's not the reason I follow Spurs and go to games, I use to enjoy meeting with family and friends and sharing the ups and downs of the sport I like a laugh at the exspence of our rivals but have never understood why someone should mock me for the failure of the team I support as I have never been privelaged to represent the club on the playing field and in no way been responsible for the success or failure. I've never measured my life against Spurs results and them winning all the throphies in a season would not make me superior to any other person, unfortunately too many weak minded people do believe this and have little idea of the principles of sport.

 

[Grays_1890]

He'll have a statue and probably a stand named after him. Be loved and treated like a GHod everytime he visits the stadium.

And he can win a fudging trophy! We are not some leper league 2 club that it's impossible for us to win. Yeah we fudged up in the past. That doesn't dictate the future though.

Of course, I'm just comparing those two specific outcomes, I think we have a real live chance for the FA Cup this year TBH

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[spurspinter1]

I want us to win a trophy as much as the next person, but it's not the reason I follow Spurs and go to games, I use to enjoy meeting with family and friends and sharing the ups and downs of the sport I like a laugh at the exspence of our rivals but have never understood why someone should mock me for the failure of the team I support as I have never been privelaged to represent the club on the playing field and in no way been responsible for the success or failure. I've never measured my life against Spurs results and them winning all the throphies in a season would not make me superior to any other person, unfortunately too many weak minded people do believe this and have little idea of the principles of sport.

I absolutely appreciate your views on winning / losing, it does sound healthy. Reminds me of the opposite kind of attitude, I know many Utd fans who "fell out of love with the game" meaning they just didn't enjoy not being the best during their recent spell of being brick (by the standards the team had set) - Even though they contributed nothing beyond occasionally watching the game at a pub with sky sports or buying the odd shirt etc

I do however think that fans of every club seems to be believe there's this negative bias about only their club in the media, when it's more just that the rags / social media feeds post what'll generate interest which is usually negativity or low level comedy / banter and macarons generally just parrot what they've seen in person. Unfortunately the trophy thing is a relatively easy stick to beat us with though but it is what it is.

 

[alekaras]

This whole trophy issue is driven by media they have no heart or love of the game, they only want to sell to the most buyers/viewers/readers so must over hype winning a trophy as that attracts people who feel they are achieving something in their empty lives by clinging on to a winner. How many people know the players in the Blackburn league winners team or how many medals Luke Chadwick or Henning Berg have or who played left back for Sunderland when they last won the cup? People will know of Harry Kane long after all these pundits are on the dust heap.

The thing is it's not what the media says that matters; it's what matters to the player. We might think that a player getting his name in the record books is more important, but for the player it might be winning a trophy. Especially if it is an elite player.

And I beg to differ that no one will remember the player who won a trophy. Everyone will remember Tom Brady, not for the records he broke, but for winning 7 Super Bowls. When people think of Messi and Maradona, the first thing that will come to mind is that they won the WC for Argentina. Especially in Messi's case, if Argentina hadn't won the WC he would always be remembered for failing to win the big one and not for all the records that he broke. And with Harry it could likely be the same: if he doesn't win a title the narrative will be "the best striker of the PL era, yet he never won anything." But even if we dismiss this as media narrative, do you think an elite player like Harry would be satisfied with just the records? Personally, I don't think so. That's not how elite players think. Elite players want to win and, if the records come too, great. If not, no one can take away their elite status and they would also have a nice trophy cabinet, to boot.

 

[alekaras]

I get what you are saying but people always want more. A player earning £10k a week is rich compared to most of us. He probably has a Ferrari and nice house. But if another player in the dressing room is earning £50k a week and has a superyacht he might feel poor. Then you have another that earns £100k a week and has a private jet. Then one that earns £500k a week and has an island. Suddenly our £10k a week player feels poor.

It's relative, though. A player making £10k a week, who has nowhere near the talent of a player making £200k a week, will be happy to be making £10k a week and maybe get to 20 or 30. An elite player may not even be satisfied with £500k a week, if he feels he is better than that other £500k a week player.

 

[alekaras]

He'll have a statue and probably a stand named after him. Be loved and treated like a GHod everytime he visits the stadium.

And he can win a fudging trophy! We are not some leper league 2 club that it's impossible for us to win. Yeah we fudged up in the past. That doesn't dictate the future though.

I'm going to hazard a guess that winning an FA Cup is not what Kane's ambitions are. He wants a PL tile and/or a CL title. Just "a trophy, any trophy" won't cut it.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'm going to hazard a guess that winning an FA Cup is not what Kane's ambitions are. He wants a PL tile and/or a CL title. Just "a trophy, any trophy" won't cut it.

No prem team is guarnteed that. City might not even be in the prem next season.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

The thing is it's not what the media says that matters; it's what matters to the player. We might think that a player getting his name in the record books is more important, but for the player it might be winning a trophy. Especially if it is an elite player.

And I beg to differ that no one will remember the player who won a trophy. Everyone will remember Tom Brady, not for the records he broke, but for winning 7 Super Bowls. When people think of Messi and Maradona, the first thing that will come to mind is that they won the WC for Argentina. Especially in Messi's case, if Argentina hadn't won the WC he would always be remembered for failing to win the big one and not for all the records that he broke. And with Harry it could likely be the same: if he doesn't win a title the narrative will be "the best striker of the PL era, yet he never won anything." But even if we dismiss this as media narrative, do you think an elite player like Harry would be satisfied with just the records? Personally, I don't think so. That's not how elite players think. Elite players want to win and, if the records come too, great. If not, no one can take away their elite status and they would also have a nice trophy cabinet, to boot.

There are far more average players with medals than elite, which to my mind reduces their value, every person has their own goals in life and Harry Kane may wish to have a bit of tin, my gripe is the media look to tell the world why he should leave Spurs at every opportunity, whatever our results it's the same old story. That Cristiano Ronaldo and Johan Cruyff weren't bad players despite never winning the world cup.

 

[FatBloke]

The thing is it's not what the media says that matters; it's what matters to the player. We might think that a player getting his name in the record books is more important, but for the player it might be winning a trophy. Especially if it is an elite player.

And I beg to differ that no one will remember the player who won a trophy. Everyone will remember Tom Brady, not for the records he broke, but for winning 7 Super Bowls. When people think of Messi and Maradona, the first thing that will come to mind is that they won the WC for Argentina. Especially in Messi's case, if Argentina hadn't won the WC he would always be remembered for failing to win the big one and not for all the records that he broke. And with Harry it could likely be the same: if he doesn't win a title the narrative will be "the best striker of the PL era, yet he never won anything." But even if we dismiss this as media narrative, do you think an elite player like Harry would be satisfied with just the records? Personally, I don't think so. That's not how elite players think. Elite players want to win and, if the records come too, great. If not, no one can take away their elite status and they would also have a nice trophy cabinet, to boot.

I don't think Brady's a good example, as one of his records is surely the number of Super Bowls he's won! Likewise people remember Nicky Butt as part of that great ManU team.

Messi is different again. He would absolutely be remembered as one of the greatest players of all time, regardless of whether he finally won that World Cup or not. But then, he's got a trophy list as long as yer arm from Barcelona. On the other hand, Maradona is remembered in England primarily for the 1986 WC. Do we remember him for his trophies at Barcelona and Napoli?

The best example here is Shearer himself. He's known for his goalscoring record MUCH more than for winning his one PL title at Blackburn.

On the other hand there are players like Micah Richards who've won the odd PL title without being great players themselves. In 20 years time, I'll warrant that Kane's remembered a damn sight more than them.

That said, I completely agree with your point about it being about what matters to each player.

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't think he'll leave this summer. I don't think anyone will want to pay the fee we'd demand for him and his huge wages on top. Not for a 30 year old.

I don't know whether he'll sign a new contract though.

 

[Spur of the moment]

I don't think he'll leave this summer. I don't think anyone will want to pay the fee we'd demand for him and his huge wages on top. Not for a 30 year old.

I don't know whether he'll sign a new contract though.

Fergie was stressing at the w/end how much United need another top striker.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything of course but if the Glazers decide to sell I can definitely see a multi-£billion buyer being prepared to cough up whatever it takes to Get Harry this summer.

He may be 30 but there won't be too many other proven strikers at his level with 10 years PL experience who are likely to be available.

Whether Levy would sell to such a big rival is another matter. But if the offer is big enough and Harry refuses to sign a new contract, then he just might.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Fergie was stressing at the w/end how much United need another top striker.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything of course but if the Glazers decide to sell I can definitely see a multi-£billion buyer being prepared to cough up whatever it takes to Get Harry this summer.

He may be 30 but there won't be too many other proven strikers at his level with 10 years PL experience who are likely to be available.

Whether Levy would sell to such a big rival is another matter. But if the offer is big enough and Harry refuses to sign a new contract, then he just might.

United want osihmen and he is very gettable, younger and more direct

 

[Lilbaz]

Fergie was stressing at the w/end how much United need another top striker.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything of course but if the Glazers decide to sell I can definitely see a multi-£billion buyer being prepared to cough up whatever it takes to Get Harry this summer.

He may be 30 but there won't be too many other proven strikers at his level with 10 years PL experience who are likely to be available.

Whether Levy would sell to such a big rival is another matter. But if the offer is big enough and Harry refuses to sign a new contract, then he just might.

If it is the qataris taking over do they go for kane, osimhen or mbappe?

 

[Lilbaz]

Anyway utd might be unable to if they keep the ronaldo rule.

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[Spur of the moment]

If it is the qataris taking over do they go for kane, osimhen or mbappe?

I take the point. But whilst his age may be an issue, Kane's USP is his proven PL scoring record allied to his exceptional approach play. Two for the price of one, if you like.

Also it can be more risky importing from overseas. You cannot be sure they will cut it in the PL.

Plus with competition from the likes of Cheatski, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Athletico etc, will there be enough top strikers to go round?