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Jordinho said:
Who cares what they think, for 90 minutes they should do everything they can to will the team on. If they pay 70 odd pounds to moan they can fudge off.
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Well said. It hacks me right off when I am at WHL sitting next to some know it all nobody who does nothing whatsoever to encourage the team, knowing that they are almost certainly a season ticket holder. I'd bet a good percentage of people on the waiting list would happily love that seat, let alone us mugs who fight the red line of doom, just to support the team.
 
Can I point something out here?

When I go to WHL, I cheer, shout, sing, even, in supporting the team and will them on in every way I can.
I might groan at a poor mistake, but ultimately I support them, as I have done since my first game in 1966.

However............I also reserve the right to pass judgement on the form and performance of both the team and individuals therein.

I am also of the opinion that we have PROBABLY blown 4th place now. I've seen it over too many years to think otherwise.

Should I be admonished for thinking this?....................No. It is an opinion based on many years of watching Spurs and football generally.

It's ok for those of you with endless amounts of optimism............you keep thinking what you want. But who will be most disappointed come the final game?

I hate blind faith, but I will defend your right to holding it. But at the same time, those with the rose-tints on should accept that some of us are resigned to just missing out. And, despite what you say, what we feel has absolutely ZERO bearing on what will eventually happen.

I'll be yelling next Sunday. But I'll also be fearing the worst. Which is my entitlement.
 
I will be present at the Southampton game and I will shout and sing all I can. Why else would I want to go to a game, never mind pay the ridiculous prices they're asking?
 
Crawley said:
Can I point something out here?

When I go to WHL, I cheer, shout, sing, even, in supporting the team and will them on in every way I can.
I might groan at a poor mistake, but ultimately I support them, as I have done since my first game in 1966.

However............I also reserve the right to pass judgement on the form and performance of both the team and individuals therein.

I am also of the opinion that we have PROBABLY blown 4th place now. I've seen it over too many years to think otherwise.

Should I be admonished for thinking this?....................No. It is an opinion based on many years of watching Spurs and football generally.

It's ok for those of you with endless amounts of optimism............you keep thinking what you want. But who will be most disappointed come the final game?

I hate blind faith, but I will defend your right to holding it. But at the same time, those with the rose-tints on should accept that some of us are resigned to just missing out. And, despite what you say, what we feel has absolutely ZERO bearing on what will eventually happen.

I'll be yelling next Sunday. But I'll also be fearing the worst. Which is my entitlement.
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Good post mate! My thoughts exactly.
 
im not sure how people can post stuff like "it's all over" "we've fudged it up again" "it's all X/Y/Z's fault" etc etc when all is still to play for and not expect a negative response from those with the opposite opinions really

it's not so much that you think we have ballsed it up - it's the way some constantly talk as though it's already happened and actually argue against people that have faith in the team that we all support and all want to do well. i mean what is the goal there?

(that's without even mentioning the tendency some have to start dishing out the blame on certain figures at the Club - Levy, AVB whoever - for something that hasn't happened . . . "let's write an essay type post blaming the manager for his tactics which have cost us the CL place that we are still very much in with a chance of getting ](*,) )
 
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billyiddo said:
im not sure how people can post stuff like "it's all over" "we've fudged it up again" "it's all X/Y/Z's fault" etc etc when all is still to play for and not expect a negative response from those with the opposite opinions really

it's not so much that you think we have ballsed it up - it's the way some constantly talk as though it's already happened and actually argue against people that have faith in the team that we all support and all want to do well.

(that's without even mentioning the tendency some have to start dishing out the blame on certain figures at the Club - Levy, AVB whoever - for something that hasn't happened . . . "let's write an essay type post blaming the manager for his tactics which have cost us the CL place we are still very much in with a chance of getting ](*,) )
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Spot on.
What makes it worse is they are basing the whole thing on the likelihood of Arsenal finishing above us completely ignoring Chelsea.
 
chicken_badge said:
We don't know why Joe Lewis has spent money on Spurs. Maybe its just that, an investment. I don't know if he can just pay £40m for a Leandro just like that, maybe he can or maybe he can't. But for whatever reason he is there and by and large our club is respected as being very clever with the books. Daniel Levy takes a lot of credit for this.

Judging Levy on one bit of possible business is so foolish it is unreal. You have to look at the whole track record.
And anyway, so we didn't sign a striker in January? Who were realistic targets? Players at the right standard for Spurs, willing to come, able to be released from their club? Available at an appropriate price? And likely to fit into our squad, given that we already have three forwards all with big personalities to keep happy?
And to what level is Levy responsible for this failure?
Even if we had Lionel Messi ready to come to WHL for 30p a week, Barcelona willing to take Jenas as a straight swap, and Levy said no you pay for EasyJet flights too well that is still one bad deal, out of a handful of bad decisions against an absolute stack of good ones.

Thank you Mr Levy and Mr Lewis for putting the investment in and organising us in a way that we now compete for every trophy we enter, for having the patience to push through a deal for a 56,000 state of the art stadium, for making sure we can have entertaining players like Van Der Vaart, Gareth Bale AND hold on to them for a while, and for doing what was unthinkable even just 7 years ago and pushing the top four places in the league. 4th, 5th, 4th, 3/4/5th would have been a dream for me in 2004 when it was Man U-Arsenal-Chelsea-Liverpool monopoly until infinity.

I'd rather be a Spurs fan than an Everton fan, with all the potential for the above but little fruition.
I'd rather be a Spurs fan than a City fan, with a gradual build to success than overnight transition.
I'd rather be a Spurs fan than a Saudi Sportswashing Machine fan, with appalling management of finances, fans and tradition over the same period of time.
I'd rather be a Spurs fan than a Villa fan, with the gradual decline of the team and stagnant management.

7 years ago, these were our peers, similar clubs, similar fan bases. Our journey over this time has shown far better value, far more care and far more effort than any of them. That is down to Martin Jol, Juande Ramos, Harry Redknapp, Andre Villas-Boas, Luka Modric, Ledley King, 70,000 loyal fans. But choreographing all of that, the chief puppeteer is Mr Daniel Levy, and he would have no strings if the money from Mr Joe Lewis wasn't there in the first place.
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great post, absolutely spot on
 
Doesn't matter. Levy didn't spend his imaginary stack of money on this imaginary super striker that was just begging for us to come and get him.
 
the discussion is valid but needs to be rephrased into something around "available depth and quality in the squad for a club our size, and where we should focus our efforts on".
 
Crawley said:
Can I point something out here?

When I go to WHL, I cheer, shout, sing, even, in supporting the team and will them on in every way I can.
I might groan at a poor mistake, but ultimately I support them, as I have done since my first game in 1966.

However............I also reserve the right to pass judgement on the form and performance of both the team and individuals therein.

I am also of the opinion that we have PROBABLY blown 4th place now. I've seen it over too many years to think otherwise.

Should I be admonished for thinking this?....................No. It is an opinion based on many years of watching Spurs and football generally.

It's ok for those of you with endless amounts of optimism............you keep thinking what you want. But who will be most disappointed come the final game?

I hate blind faith, but I will defend your right to holding it. But at the same time, those with the rose-tints on should accept that some of us are resigned to just missing out. And, despite what you say, what we feel has absolutely ZERO bearing on what will eventually happen.

I'll be yelling next Sunday. But I'll also be fearing the worst. Which is my entitlement.
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=D>
 
billyiddo said:
im not sure how people can post stuff like "it's all over" "we've fudged it up again" "it's all X/Y/Z's fault" etc etc when all is still to play for and not expect a negative response from those with the opposite opinions really

it's not so much that you think we have ballsed it up - it's the way some constantly talk as though it's already happened and actually argue against people that have faith in the team that we all support and all want to do well. i mean what is the goal there?

(that's without even mentioning the tendency some have to start dishing out the blame on certain figures at the Club - Levy, AVB whoever - for something that hasn't happened . . . "let's write an essay type post blaming the manager for his tactics which have cost us the CL place that we are still very much in with a chance of getting ](*,) )
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Yup. Boring isn't it.
 
people are different, different perceptions, different emotions.

everyone deserves a chance to give their opinion

after dropped points/lost games, the positive ones are just as boring as the negative ones.......both repeat themselves
 
indianspur said:
people are different, different perceptions, different emotions.

everyone deserves a chance to give their opinion

after dropped points/lost games, the positive ones are just as boring as the negative ones.......both repeat themselves
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A common misconception. Some should think twice, or even three times, before offering up their views and causing either an argument between people or creating unnecessary tension.

I suppose this is on the back of Arsenal's win. It's as predictable as it comes. There are games to go, plenty can still happen.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Just because some people don't have faith doesn't mean they aren't behind the team. You can't tell me that just over 34,000 Spurs fans will visit WHL next Sunday and all 34,000 of them will be absolutely confident of beating Emirates Marketing Project and finishing in the top 4. You may call it pessimism, others might see it as realism when you consider it's Spurs were talking about, non Man United.
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The problem is the psychology of the fans. There is realism, and there is pessimism. What's happening on this board is out right pessimism. Our attitude filters through to the players. If we don't believe in it then how can they?

Naturally you won't get 100% of the stadium backing us all of the time, but a big enough wave of negativity is cancerous. There is still 540 mins of football left to play. Sure it's out of our hands but there is no way that the other teams will not drop points. With key players returning we will be better.

We will get 4th. You mark my words.
 
Whether we qualify for CL next season or not, the highlight of this season will always be beating ManU away for the first time since 1989. It was a historic moment which I never thought we will be able to achieve for a long long time. AVB and the team deserves full credit for that. Ofcourse, it would have been sweet if we had won a trophy and finish in top 4 to qualify for CL but you cannot discredit that brilliant win over ManU.
 
Spurs7891 said:
Whether we qualify for CL next season or not, the highlight of this season will always be beating ManU away for the first time since 1989. It was a historic moment which I never thought we will be able to achieve for a long long time. AVB and the team deserves full credit for that. Ofcourse, it would have been sweet if we had won a trophy and finish in top 4 to qualify for CL but you cannot discredit that brilliant win over ManU.
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A fantastic moment for sure. But would hate it if this ended up being our only achievement this season. AVB deserves a top 4 finish.
 
Crawley said:
Can I point something out here?

When I go to WHL, I cheer, shout, sing, even, in supporting the team and will them on in every way I can.
I might groan at a poor mistake, but ultimately I support them, as I have done since my first game in 1966.

However............I also reserve the right to pass judgement on the form and performance of both the team and individuals therein.

I am also of the opinion that we have PROBABLY blown 4th place now. I've seen it over too many years to think otherwise.

Should I be admonished for thinking this?....................No. It is an opinion based on many years of watching Spurs and football generally.

It's ok for those of you with endless amounts of optimism............you keep thinking what you want. But who will be most disappointed come the final game?

I hate blind faith, but I will defend your right to holding it. But at the same time, those with the rose-tints on should accept that some of us are resigned to just missing out. And, despite what you say, what we feel has absolutely ZERO bearing on what will eventually happen.

I'll be yelling next Sunday. But I'll also be fearing the worst. Which is my entitlement.
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Indeed you are entitled mate...and so are we. To disagree.

See, the line in bold is what I'm driving at though...you choose to take a path of pessimism only because you want to try and control the end of season emotion (if it is, indeed, to be failure)...I personally cannot be having that. The journey is the journey and the fight is the fight, and until someone mathematically tells me the fight is over, as long as everyone is within hitting distance, then I choose to believe mate...
 
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