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Glasgow Rangers

nw7 yid said:
I'd be delighted if Arsenal went bust.

Yes, I'd miss the NLD and I'd feel sorry for a small minority of their supporters, but it would be worth it. It would be a better game without them.
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Really dont understand this. Nothing touches my nerves more than the NLD. Imagine an NLD/CL Final....or both going for the PL.

NOTHING could touch that, in terms of the glory if we won, or the misery if we lost. This rivalry, for me IS football in a nutshell....it sums up everything I love, and hate about the game.

I wouldnt deny myself that spiritual experience, just to laugh for five minutes. Relegation, all day long....but cease to be? Pointless.
 
totman said:
Really dont understand this. Nothing touches my nerves more than the NLD. Imagine an NLD/CL Final....or both going for the PL.

NOTHING could touch that, in terms of the glory if we won, or the misery if we lost. This rivalry, for me IS football in a nutshell....it sums up everything I love, and hate about the game.

I wouldnt deny myself that spiritual experience, just to laugh for five minutes. Relegation, all day long....but cease to be? Pointless.
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Totman, imagine losing to them in a CL final! I would rather they weren't around anymore and had to endure the pain of watching us win it.
 
So the players have refused to take a 75% pay cut which means the club could cease to trade. I hope they all get sacked when the club are back up and running the fudging mercenaries.
 
Roy1983 said:
So the players have refused to take a 75% pay cut which means the club could cease to trade. I hope they all get sacked when the club are back up and running the fudging mercenaries.
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Bit harsh to blame the players, surely?

They signed their contracts in good faith. They kept their side of the bargain. The club isn't keeping its side of the bargain.

I don't know whether you have a boss or how much you earn per annum.....but imagine if your boss called you in to his office and said to you that, as a result of his mismanagement of the company over many years, he now proposed to pay you only ?ú7,500 per annum instead of the ?ú30,000 per annum he was contractually obliged to pay you......

Would you agree to it?

I wouldn't. I would consider my boss's company to be in breach of contract and thus the contract was rendered null and void. I would then seek employment at a company that would pay the market rate for someone of my level of expertise in my field.
 
All well and good but I'm guessing the average wage of a first teamer is 12k? So to help the club they won't accept 3k per week??? 3 thousand fudging pounds not enough for them? Sorry mate I hear what your saying but they are mercenary ****s.
 
Roy1983 said:
All well and good but I'm guessing the average wage of a first teamer is 12k? So to help the club they won't accept 3k per week??? 3 thousand fudging pounds not enough for them? Sorry mate I hear what your saying but they are mercenary ****s.
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When you would be paid as much as ?ú12,000 elsewhere, why would you work for a company that will only pay you ?ú3,000 - especially once that company has broken its word to you?

And, yes, footballers are mercenary - just like anyone else doing a job. Other than a small minority, they have no real loyalty to their clubs. They will work for whichever clubs are best, all things considered, for their careers and financial well-being.

Fans like to think that players have the same loyalty and love of club. But it's just a fanciful notion.
 
jimmyb said:
Bit harsh to blame the players, surely?

They signed their contracts in good faith. They kept their side of the bargain. The club isn't keeping its side of the bargain.

I don't know whether you have a boss or how much you earn per annum.....but imagine if your boss called you in to his office and said to you that, as a result of his mismanagement of the company over many years, he now proposed to pay you only ?ú7,500 per annum instead of the ?ú30,000 per annum he was contractually obliged to pay you......

Would you agree to it?

I wouldn't. I would consider my boss's company to be in breach of contract and thus the contract was rendered null and void. I would then seek employment at a company that would pay the market rate for someone of my level of expertise in my field.QUOTE]

Would agree that you would be entitled to seek new employment ....the question stands though - do you in the meantime accept the pay reduction til you find new employment or say no and watch the whole company go to the wall and then look for new employment anyway?
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How much money are these guys making over their career compared to someone who will work a lifetime in a different field? Is it the equivalent of 200k, 300k a year? Yes it's 12k a week let's say but that's career earnings and depends on who you play for and if you can get that much at another club.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Totman, imagine losing to them in a CL final! I would rather they weren't around anymore and had to endure the pain of watching us win it.
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Imagine us winning it against them. To me, thats the point of football. The feeling of that defeat couldnt be touched, which means neither could the victory. It would be great to beat Barca, or Man U in a CL final, but it wouldnt touch beating arsenal.
 
totman said:
Really dont understand this. Nothing touches my nerves more than the NLD. Imagine an NLD/CL Final....or both going for the PL.

NOTHING could touch that, in terms of the glory if we won, or the misery if we lost. This rivalry, for me IS football in a nutshell....it sums up everything I love, and hate about the game.

I wouldnt deny myself that spiritual experience, just to laugh for five minutes. Relegation, all day long....but cease to be? Pointless.
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It wouldn't be laughing for five minutes though, I reckon it would feel like a permanent victory. And over time we would develop bigger rivalries and Chelsea and West Ham. We don't NEED Arsenal to feel at home in the grand scheme of things.

But yes, I would miss the NLD derby.
 
Roy1983 said:
All well and good but I'm guessing the average wage of a first teamer is 12k? So to help the club they won't accept 3k per week??? 3 thousand fudging pounds not enough for them? Sorry mate I hear what your saying but they are mercenary ****s.
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... who the fans would gladly sell at the drop of a hat if deemed "notgoodenarf".
 
A few years ago I would have had some sympathy for the players, but I've become so disillusioned with the game and players that I couldn't care less, it's the fans I feel sorry for. Even Rangers fans.
 
ArcspacE said:
Apparently they've pulled out of European competitions for next season
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not that they stay in it long anyway.

On the note about the Scum going bust and it being a nicer season without that stress. Even if the Scum went under the derby match would get replaced with something else, it would be us against Chelski or something. There is always one game a season you want to win more than others.

As for the players accepting lower wages. Its the club who have messed this up, wasted money and put them in a bad situation. Im sure most of the players know that if the club goes under they can go straight to another club on a free and get the same wages. So why should they take lower money? they have no loyalty to the club im sure! in this day and age you look after number 1, the company will ditch you if they could. Its only because the players are their actual club assets that they wont just make them redundant like most companies would.

On another note. Did the two players who took voluntary redundency find clubs yet? they deserve it.
 
Lost Mango said:
Would agree that you would be entitled to seek new employment ....the question stands though - do you in the meantime accept the pay reduction til you find new employment or say no and watch the whole company go to the wall and then look for new employment anyway?
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There doesn't have to be a "meantime", surely?

More players could do as Greg Wylde has done and be released immediately on a free. Would save Rangers a fortune in wage costs. The club has enough points (even after the ten point penalty) to be safe from relegation while fielding a weakened team for the remainder of the season.

Sure, Rangers would prefer to keep all the players while paying them only 25% of what they should pay them. But, if I was a player with no special affiliation to the club, I'd be asking why should the players be the ones to bear the brunt of the club's massive fudge up?
 
if Arsenal went under, we would be inundated with their plastic fans looking for a team to support.

imagine if Arsenal went under. All those ****s, we would have FINALLY won, the decisive battle, the ultimate decider.

Id bloody love that. I wouldnt miss the derby, every time we were supposed to play them it would be "whens the derby? Oh right, too brick to even have a team. North London is Ours".

I could honestly live with that until i died.

This is different to Rangers, where the whole league is bricking bricks.
 
Roy1983 said:
Irrelevant.
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Is it?

You're saying that, on the one hand, players should show loyalty to a club even if that club proposes to slash their wages by 75% but, on the other, it's irrelevant whether or not fans show loyalty to players????
 
SFA inquiry rules Rangers chairman Craig Whyte is "not fit and proper person to hold a position in football."

Bit late now isn't it?
 
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