General Transfer Rumour Discussion Thread

[indianspur]

Savic is on his way to Atletico and Suarez is off in the other direction. With another name off the list, who else is there? I'm worried this means we will get desperate and pay stupid money for McCarthy.

this man, Birama Ndoye............anyone with a personal line to Mitchell needs to pass on this name

 

[JerusalemMan]

GB has a tendency to overstate his case

You master of understatement, milo!

 

[SpursNorway]

Have you watches him a lot, or just seen the Youtube video, Indianspur?
Looks like a prospect for me, but not someone who could go straight into the team strenghtening us IMO. But yes, could be a DM for the future.

 

[Superhudd]

Paris Saint-Germain have offered Galatasaray 10 million euros for Brazilian defender Alex Telles, Turkish media reported on Sunday.

PSG had initially offered eight million euros but then raised it to 10 million, making a deal possible in principle although no contract has yet been signed, the Haberturk newspaper reported.

Just seen this on sky sports , might Chirches be off to Turkish side now ?? I'd say good chance he is next out if thT deal goes ahead , isn't he in talks with them ?

hhmm, the transfer totaliser extravaganza might say..

 

[Kandi1977]

Have you watches him a lot, or just seen the Youtube video, Indianspur?
Looks like a prospect for me, but not someone who could go straight into the team strenghtening us IMO. But yes, could be a DM for the future.

I've seen him him a bit, and he has all the right physical attributes. Big, strong, quick, good technical ability, reads the play quite good, and already he's about twice the player Mason is. He'd be a clear upgrade. Although the few times I've seen him, he has been somewhat sloppy with his passing. Looks like it's just that he's not concentratedenough . Not anywhere near world class, but a good player. For the right price (up to € 10mill) I'd have him

 

[Cochise]

this man, Birama Ndoye............anyone with a personal line to Mitchell needs to pass on this name

I like the look of him. The big problem would be that when the AFCON comes around we will lose our midfield

 

[alekaras]

+1. Where does the intangible " flair" fit into algowhatsits? Will all future footballers morph into the robotic apparent perfect specimen? The beautiful game of Waddle, Ginola, Marsh, Bowles etc would be dead and a large part of entertainment in football would surely die too.

Players like that will continue to exist and flourish. Using algorithms won't make the players robotic. It's just going to make predicting who the next star will be robotic. And even that isn't going to happen, because algorithms will be used only as part of the decision making; they won't be the only thing teams rely on.

 

[scaramanga]

It's how pretty much everything that is cutting edge in the world is working at now.

Marketing, healthcare, transport, finance, journalism - all rely heavily on big data and algorithms now

Healthcare is the anomaly there.

Medical treatment is still as close to the days of leeches as it is to the world of big data. The first obstacle being that people don't want to share their medical data. The second (and more worrying) is that medical professionals, on the whole are terrible at understanding and applying statistical results. AFAIK, stats are still not a part of the training at medical school.

 

[indianspur]

Have you watches him a lot, or just seen the Youtube video, Indianspur?
Looks like a prospect for me, but not someone who could go straight into the team strenghtening us IMO. But yes, could be a DM for the future.

just the youtube, but from it its clear that he has some excellent raw attributes. If the club are on the lookout for cheap future talents, then id say he could be a contender tbh

 

[indianspur]

I've seen him him a bit, and he has all the right physical attributes. Big, strong, quick, good technical ability, reads the play quite good, and already he's about twice the player Mason is. He'd be a clear upgrade. Although the few times I've seen him, he has been somewhat sloppy with his passing. Looks like it's just that he's not concentratedenough . Not anywhere near world class, but a good player. For the right price (up to € 10mill) I'd have him

thats the key. Nice to hear that youve seen a lot of him and rate him. Cheers for the info.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Healthcare is the anomaly there.

Medical treatment is still as close to the days of leeches as it is to the world of big data. The first obstacle being that people don't want to share their medical data. The second (and more worrying) is that medical professionals, on the whole are terrible at understanding and applying statistical results. AFAIK, stats are still not a part of the training at medical school.

This is wrong Scara. Most Consultants and their teams very much use statistics to decide things such as course of treatments (e.g. choosing courses of cancer treatments that will have a higher chance of success given the patient's clinical picture, demographics etc), how to allocate spending/investment priorities long-term for Hospital Trusts, how to prioritise staff/clinical allocation in A&E departments etc etc
Many examples.
I would say it is probably the non-Acute section of healthcare (i.e. Public Health) that prioritises using and applying statistical studies/results the most (probably due to generally having a more long-term view compared to other parts of the healthcare sector by nature).

Anyway, back to Transfers...Victor Moses - WTF???

 

[Finney Is Back]

Dear GHod, no. Incredibly overrated and worth no more than half that.

I would be very happy if Spurs paid 20 million for Berahino.... He has a bit of the Ian Wright about him and can play in any of the 4 forward roles we operate.

 

[scaramanga]

This is wrong Scara. Most Consultants and their teams very much use statistics to decide things such as course of treatments (e.g. choosing courses of cancer treatments that will have a higher chance of success given the patient's clinical picture, demographics etc), how to allocate spending/investment priorities long-term for Hospital Trusts, how to prioritise staff/clinical allocation in A&E departments etc etc
Many examples.
I would say it is probably the non-Acute section of healthcare (i.e. Public Health) that prioritises using and applying statistical studies/results the most (probably due to generally having a more long-term view compared to other parts of the healthcare sector by nature).

Anyway, back to Transfers...Victor Moses - WTF???

I understand that statistics are used, I just don't see evidence that there's any useful training involved in getting people up to scratch in using the stats.

Here's a good link for an insider's view on things like this
It also appears to be an issue in the US

I can tell you from personal experience that my wife and I were warned off a drug by a specialist because of its 90-something percent increase in risk. What she failed to properly understand/convey is that it was a 90-something percent increase in risk on something that had less than a one percent likelihood in the first place. A layman would probably have refused a very useful drug in that circumstance - I know my wife would have without my advice.

 

[Kandi1977]

thats the key. Nice to hear that youve seen a lot of him and rate him. Cheers for the info.

I haven't seen him a lot, but I've seen him enough to be able to give a decent view of his ability. He definitely has a lot of potential, and I think he's better than Mason.
Then again, it's difficult to compare players in totally different leagues, but he looks like he can handle himself in tight situations, and he's only 19! Looks very mature, and I think he'd cost well under €10 mill.

 

[glorygloryeze]

I understand that statistics are used, I just don't see evidence that there's any useful training involved in getting people up to scratch in using the stats.

Here's a good link for an insider's view on things like this
It also appears to be an issue in the US

I can tell you from personal experience that my wife and I were warned off a drug by a specialist because of its 90-something percent increase in risk. What she failed to properly understand/convey is that it was a 90-something percent increase in risk on something that had less than a one percent likelihood in the first place. A layman would probably have refused a very useful drug in that circumstance - I know my wife would have without my advice.

Oh there is a lot and it is used often; however, like in Politics, it's the smooth talkers with the loudest microphones who often know how to manipulate them for certain ends. The people who have vested interests in pushing certain pharmaceuticals (perhaps like the specialist you mentioned?) are key examples.

Stats are used and understood in healthcare; the proportion of how they are understood/misrepresented is similar to other sectors (media, politics, sports - look at this board lol)

 

[scaramanga]

Oh there is a lot and it is used often; however, like in Politics, it's the smooth talkers with the loudest microphones who often know how to manipulate them for certain ends. The people who have vested interests in pushing certain pharmaceuticals (perhaps like the specialist you mentioned?) are key examples.

I don't think there was a hidden agenda, just a consultant that didn't know how to properly explain risk.

Stats are used and understood in healthcare; the proportion of how they are understood/misrepresented is similar to other sectors (media, politics, sports - look at this board lol)

I agree, but I think the level of expectation in healthcare should be higher - after all it's supposed to be the pinnacle of our learning!

Whilst there may be some statistical analysis that goes on (especially at the research end) do you think your average consultant has a good grip of randomness? Or statistical significance? Would they be able to spot an overpowered study? In my experience (and that of the likes of Ben Goldacre), no.

Anyway, back to football - everyone's using analytics, most just don't mention it. I suspect much of that is to do with the backward, tribal nature of football where if anyone admits to being intelligent (let alone an 'intellectual') they end up getting a career of abuse in this country. See Le Saux, AVB, etc.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I don't think there was a hidden agenda, just a consultant that didn't know how to properly explain risk.


I agree, but I think the level of expectation in healthcare should be higher - after all it's supposed to be the pinnacle of our learning!

Whilst there may be some statistical analysis that goes on (especially at the research end) do you think your average consultant has a good grip of randomness? Or statistical significance? Would they be able to spot an overpowered study? In my experience (and that of the likes of Ben Goldacre), no.

Anyway, back to football - everyone's using analytics, most just don't mention it. I suspect much of that is to do with the backward, tribal nature of football where if anyone admits to being intelligent (let alone an 'intellectual') they end up getting a career of abuse in this country. See Le Saux, AVB, etc.

I don't think AVB got stick because he admitted to being intelligent.... I think it was more to do with declining results at the clubs he managed.

On the flip side of the coin there is Sam Allardyce, somebody who is always portrayed as an antiquated, football thicko (probably because of his Northern accent) despite him being one of the early converts to modern techniques and technologies.

 

[scaramanga]

I don't think AVB got stick because he admitted to being intelligent.... I think it was more to do with declining results at the clubs he managed.

On the flip side of the coin there is Sam Allardyce, somebody who is always portrayed as an antiquated, football thicko (probably because of his Northern accent) despite him being one of the early converts to modern techniques and technologies.

Allardyce intentionally plays the fool in public - probably because his methods would lead to ridicule amongst the unenlightened masses.

 

[P.D.]

Matt Ryan who I think we were linked with has signed for Valencia.

Mitrovic has signed for Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

 

[scaramanga]

Matt Ryan who I think we were linked with has signed for Valencia.

Mitrovic has signed for Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Can we please keep this thread on-topic. Any talk outside of analytics and the public healthcare system will have to be deleted.