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Gareth Bale

I can't believe that anyone who's watched it a few times, which is presumably most people now given the above .gif, can claim that he was just trying to get out of the way or protect himself.

Yes Agger was running towards him with the seeming intent to kick him, but Bale hardly breaks his stride, and then just falls forward once he's passed Agger. It's not as if he leaps out of the way of the oncoming challenge. If anything he may have anticipated contact and so gone down to try and win a freekick and get Agger booked, but there's no way that Bale is trying to 'protect himself'.

Also, I wouldn't say they were trying to 'do' Bale all game. Up until this incident the only other one I can remember is when Skrtel bundled Bale in to the advertising boards.

If that was Dawson and Suarez, I feel certain that NOBODY would be saying that it wasn't a dive.

I also find it shameful that some people say that they go down easily when they play and that it's just 'part of the game' now.

P.S. I'm certainly not trying to defend Agger here, who was clearly trying, or at least thinking about trying, to take Gareth out. It's just that once Bale had swerved slightly around the challenge there was absolutely no need for him to go to ground.
 
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Agger clearly shows he is a c*nt. He wasnt going for the ball, he was threatening to scrape his foot right down Bale's leg. Hate dirty c*nts like this, much worse than divers in my book
 
elltrev said:
I can't believe that anyone who's watched it a few times, which is presumably most people now given the above .gif, can claim that he was just trying to get out of the way or protect himself.

Yes Agger was running towards him with the seeming intent to kick him, but Bale hardly breaks his stride, and then just falls forward once he's passed Agger. It's not as if he leaps out of the way of the oncoming challenge. If anything he may have anticipated contact and so gone down to try and win a freekick and get Agger booked, but there's no way that Bale is trying to 'protect himself'.

Also, I wouldn't say they were trying to 'do' Bale all game. Up until this incident the only other one I can remember is when Skrtel bundled Bale in to the advertising boards.

If that was Dawson and Suarez, I feel certain that NOBODY would be saying that it wasn't a dive.

I also find it shameful that some people say that they go down easily when they play and that it's just 'part of the game' now.
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its a natural reaction because of the way Bale is regularly chopped down

its just like when someone is regularly beaten in a relationship. after a while, a simple raised hand can cause the beaten one to flinch and pull away even if no contact is made. Think about it
 
I think it??s only human, they were kicking him all game, flying in with tackles trying to match his speed. Think he was frustrated, it??s a bit naive and hopefully he wont do it again
 
indianspur said:
Agger clearly shows he is a c*nt. He wasnt going for the ball, he was threatening to scrape his foot right down Bale's leg. Hate dirty c*nts like this, much worse than divers in my book
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Totally agree with this. Play actors are trying to get a free kick/penalty or perhaps a booking/red for another team. Thugs like that are going out to intentionally injure a player, which could be career threatening
 
This "people were being mean to him" excuse doesn't really cut it for me. They weren't kicking seven shades of brick out of him at Swansea now were they? He's expecting contact and makes the decision to go down, the contact doesn't come and he looks quite silly as a result.
 
indianspur said:
its a natural reaction because of the way Bale is regularly chopped down

its just like when someone is regularly beaten in a relationship. after a while, a simple raised hand can cause the beaten one to flinch and pull away even if no contact is made. Think about it
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I know what you mean. I just don't think that what he does is a natural reaction of the kind you're describing. A domestic abuse victim flinches and pulls away as a form of self-defence or protection. In NFL, if a receiver anticipates getting nailed as soon as he catches the ball then he might pull out of the catch in order to protect his body. I think those things are automatic responses designed to protect. What Bale does is neither of those things. He's already avoided the challenge, him falling over afterwards has nothing to do with protecting himself. At best he was anticipating contact and so chose to go down to win a free-kick rather than try and avoid contact and keep playing.

Lennon is another quick player that gets hacked a lot, I NEVER see him diving or choosing to go to ground or rolling around the floor in agony.
 
elltrev said:
I know what you mean. I just don't think that what he does is a natural reaction of the kind you're describing. A domestic abuse victim flinches and pulls away as a form of self-defence or protection. In NFL, if a receiver anticipates getting nailed as soon as he catches the ball then he might pull out of the catch in order to protect his body. I think those things are automatic responses designed to protect. What Bale does is neither of those things. He's already avoided the challenge, him falling over afterwards has nothing to do with protecting himself. At best he was anticipating contact and so chose to go down to win a free-kick rather than try and avoid contact and keep playing.

Lennon is another quick player that gets hacked a lot, I NEVER see him diving or choosing to go to ground or rolling around the floor in agony.
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Hence why Lennon has so many knocks and injuries - although alot of them are hammies etc.

If you are expecting something - what is your natural reaction? To defend yourself against it - I suppose, as many have mentioned, it is a natural reaction. Bale powers through and his body is still kinda developing so doesnt want to get hurt as much as he has been in the past.
 
Mumorn said:
I see no different to Bale's than I do of Hoillett's that Greg posted a gif of in the weekend football thread and he was getting slaughtered in there
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Bale was 50 yards from goal, diving out of the way of a highly threatening attempt to tackle from Agger, close to the touchline. what advantage was Bale tying to gain by diving?

Holliet dived on the edge of the penalty area, landed inside the penalty area, all in order to win a penalty. He tried to gain an advantage for his team by his dive in the area

can you see the difference?

yes a dive is a dive, and they both dived, but Bale wasnt trying to illegally win a penalty which can be deemed as cheating
 
DHSF said:
Hence why Lennon has so many knocks and injuries - although alot of them are hammies etc.

If you are expecting something - what is your natural reaction? To defend yourself against it - I suppose, as many have mentioned, it is a natural reaction. Bale powers through and his body is still kinda developing so doesnt want to get hurt as much as he has been in the past.
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My point then is that his reaction doesn't represent 'defending himself'. The one that Skrtel gets booked for does - Bale jumps out of the way to avoid the brunt of the challenge. But on the one in question, having already swerved slightly to avoid Agger's outstretched leg, he then just throws his body forward. He doesn't get his legs out of the way. It's not defending himself; at worst it's an outright dive despite the lack of contact, at best he was anticipating contact and chose to win free-kick rather than stay on his feet.
 
indianspur said:
Bale was 50 yards from goal, diving out of the way of a highly threatening attempt to tackle from Agger, close to the touchline. what advantage was Bale tying to gain by diving?

Holliet dived on the edge of the penalty area, landed inside the penalty area, all in order to win a penalty. He tried to gain an advantage for his team by his dive in the area

can you see the difference?

yes a dive is a dive, and they both dived, but Bale wasnt trying to illegally win a penalty which can be deemed as cheating
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He was trying to win a free kick and get Agger booked/sent off.
 
elltrev said:
I know what you mean. I just don't think that what he does is a natural reaction of the kind you're describing. A domestic abuse victim flinches and pulls away as a form of self-defence or protection. In NFL, if a receiver anticipates getting nailed as soon as he catches the ball then he might pull out of the catch in order to protect his body. I think those things are automatic responses designed to protect. What Bale does is neither of those things. He's already avoided the challenge, him falling over afterwards has nothing to do with protecting himself. At best he was anticipating contact and so chose to go down to win a free-kick rather than try and avoid contact and keep playing.

Lennon is another quick player that gets hacked a lot, I NEVER see him diving or choosing to go to ground or rolling around the floor in agony.
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also we have to take into account the sheer speed at which bale and others play at. Its not like a kickabout in the park, these guys are frighteningly fast and if Bale felt threatened by Agger the immediate reaction was to go down even if he did this just a split second after passing Agger's raised foot. This is a form of self protection, its just that it happened at such a speed that we cant comprehend.
 
Wriggly said:
Couldnt disagree more. Yes Bale was anticipating getting chopped and got out the way, but when he landed he knew he wasnt touched and still tried to get the foul against him. He should have got up and held his hand up. Thats the difference, he tried to cheat.
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I made no comment about what he did afterwards, why did you say you couldn't disagree more, then agree with the one bit I did comment on - and then go to town on something I didn't mention.

The defender cutting across Bale kicked out at him and missed, and Bales jumped when he felt he was touched by him.

I fully agree that I would like to see him not do it, but as people have said on countless times, Bale is all about speed, and he has been chopped on countless occasions, and right or wrong, its my belief that he was simply trying to minimise what he thought was coming.

He probably felt a tit afterwards and tried to cover up his embarassment, who on here hasn't used the same tactic to hide a fudge up they have made?
 
yiddo2786 said:
I've changed my mind. The more I look at it the more I think he'a diving. Really horrible.
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Its in no way the first time either unfortunately. You can't accuse Alonso of attempting a hidious tackle here (a bit of a joke excuse for the agger one imo), I can't believe it's even in question whether Bale dives or not. He needs to sort it out and some on here need to accept that he does it.
 
Messi gets kicked more than any player in world football, including Bale, but you don't see him diving very often. I agree that Bale gets kicked. Redknapp needs to talk about it in the press and hopefully the refs might start dishing out red cards instead of yellows. He definitely needs to toughen up. It's pathetic the way he bangs the ground with his fists when he's on the end of a bad tackle. It hurts me to admit that he dives because he's currently my favourite Spurs player, but he does dive and that's all there is to it.
 
spurspinter1 said:
[video=youtube;VxohXc99Hvc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxohXc99Hvc[/video]

Its in no way the first time either unfortunately. You can't accuse Alonso of attempting a hidious tackle here (a bit of a joke excuse for the agger one imo), I can't believe it's even in question whether Bale dives or not. He needs to sort it out and some on here need to accept that he does it.
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look at Alonso's approach, and also at Bale tuck his foot out of the way in order to protect it..This is the same foot which has taken some serious hammering and damage in the past which led to Bale being out for a long period

Alonso was about to stamp on Bale's foot, how can that not appear to be hideous? Alonso was miles from the ball, he made no attempt to play the ball. Watch again

Yes Bale dives, and rightly so
 
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