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NoLimits01 said:
I think they classify anything that’s not a purpose made circuit that can used for other forms of motor sport or track events as a street circuit.
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Who knows, I’ll always bow to Wikipedia.

Thing is, it is a purpose made circuit and is used for other forms of motorsport :)
 
Hamilton to Ferrari in 2025.
Not actually a huge surprise, rumours have been around a while.
Nice way to sign off his career for a couple of years. Although I don't quite see it being a good fit culturally.
 
I'm sure he once said he wouldn't hang around in F1 forever and had other things he wanted to do in life? He's 40 odd now and showing no signs of giving up anytime soon!
 
I’m surprised by the narrative and the shock around him leaving.

Mercedes have given him junk for two years. He had no choice.
 
Baleforce said:
I’m surprised by the narrative and the shock around him leaving.

Mercedes have given him junk for two years. He had no choice.
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Would Hamilton have known how good or bad this years Mercedes was looking? Or is that always unknown until the actual testing starts?

Edit: Second question, Do they now focus on Russell as the main driver now?
 
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dingdongo said:
Would Hamilton have known how good or bad this years Mercedes was looking? Or is that always unknown until the actual testing starts?

Edit: Second question, Do they now focus on Russell as the main driver now?
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Probably, kinda makes me think it's another dog else he wouldn't risk not having it for 2025. The differential won't be know until real racing starts, but they will have benchmarks against previous years.

I don't know, depends if they can get a new leader (not a lot out there right now), or if they plan to bring Antonelli though from F2.
 
dingdongo said:
Would Hamilton have known how good or bad this years Mercedes was looking? Or is that always unknown until the actual testing starts?

Edit: Second question, Do they now focus on Russell as the main driver now?
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It won't be about the 2025 car.

New regs are coming in again for 2026 (mainly powertrain and weight related) and given what he saw this time, Hamilton probably suspects Mercedes will be left behind again.
 
Baleforce said:
I’m surprised by the narrative and the shock around him leaving.

Mercedes have given him junk for two years. He had no choice.
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And also just the opportunity to race for Ferrari.
Last few years of your career, you don't turn down the chance to race a couple of seasons in Red.
 
Baleforce said:
He would if he didn’t think the car could win races.
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I'm not sure I agree. The car definitely can (although quite what 2025 brings for all teams is a guess) - but the pit wall decision making at Ferrari is far too capable of snatching 3rd from the jaws of victory.
It was better last season than 2022, but still poor quality for F1 and waaaay below where Ferrari should be.
Add to that his crew are him will have to learn eachother. Norris and Piastri will have a few years head start.
Presumably Mercedes will now focus on seeing if Russell can take that next step or whether he's better as a solid no.2.

The only set up you look at re: winning races is Verstappens. Car, driver, crew, have the perfect synergy. Everyone else is picking up scraps.

I don't see Ferrari's structure being strong enough to support two no.1 drivers. Are they going to favour Hamilton over LeClerc? And if so, how will that tension affect LeClerc. He's not exactly the nicey nicey second fiddle/team player that Sainz is.
 
I think Hamilton thinks his experience will be able to improve on the decisions during races, in a similar way to how Schumacher managed to improve the whole structure of the team, by just being Schumacher and demanding only the very best.
 
monkeybarry said:
I'm not sure I agree. The car definitely can (although quite what 2025 brings for all teams is a guess) - but the pit wall decision making at Ferrari is far too capable of snatching 3rd from the jaws of victory.
It was better last season than 2022, but still poor quality for F1 and waaaay below where Ferrari should be.
Add to that his crew are him will have to learn eachother. Norris and Piastri will have a few years head start.
Presumably Mercedes will now focus on seeing if Russell can take that next step or whether he's better as a solid no.2.

The only set up you look at re: winning races is Verstappens. Car, driver, crew, have the perfect synergy. Everyone else is picking up scraps.

I don't see Ferrari's structure being strong enough to support two no.1 drivers. Are they going to favour Hamilton over LeClerc? And if so, how will that tension affect LeClerc. He's not exactly the nicey nicey second fiddle/team player that Sainz is.
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Agree Ferrari have been poor in that area for sometime. Lewis will be taking people with him from Mercedes.

Hamilton will be favoured over LeClerc, because he's massively superior.
 
Baleforce said:
Agree Ferrari have been poor in that area for sometime. Lewis will be taking people with him from Mercedes.

Hamilton will be favoured over LeClerc, because he's massively superior.
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That will be very interesting.
Does that usually happen when F1 drivers move? I've only watched since end of 2021, after a 20 year hiatus.
The impacts of that would be fascinating.

He is. But probably has two years tops. Maybe Ferrari have eyes on LeClerc being a long term no.2 and grabbing someone like Norris or Piastri when Hamilton calls it a day.
 
monkeybarry said:
The only set up you look at re: winning races is Verstappens. Car, driver, crew, have the perfect synergy. Everyone else is picking up scraps.
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I think you're overplaying the supporting roles a bit there.

The key to Red Bull winning is the car, the car and the car.
 
scaramanga said:
I think you're overplaying the supporting roles a bit there.

The key to Red Bull winning is the car, the car and the car.
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A car that is designed and maintained by a team of engineers and tailored to the driver and driver style.
The car doesn't make itself. And Verstappen doesn't make the car.

If it was just the car, and little to do with Lambiasse, Perez would be less brick.
 
monkeybarry said:
A car that is designed and maintained by a team of engineers and tailored to the driver and driver style.
The car doesn't make itself. And Verstappen doesn't make the car.

If it was just the car, and little to do with Lambiasse, Perez would be less brick.
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I'm not sure there's much that could be done to make Perez significantly less brick. He'd be doing better if the car was designed in any way to suit him though.

The car doesn't build itself but I don't think most of Red Bull's engineers have shown us anything Mercedes or McLaren engineers haven't. Take Adrian Newey and put him in any of the rest of the top 4 teams and that team wins the championship.
 
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