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Flight MH370

A pilot's view

MH370 A different point of view. Pulau Langkawi 13,000 runway.

A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN - almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.

Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.

Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.

The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.

Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.


If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless.

This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.

Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot's viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn't instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls. In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.


Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4 That for me is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction.

Smart pilot. Just didn't have the time.


Could well be close to what happened.

Looking at where its ended up, and probably ditched once the fuel ran out.
 
I don't buy into all this. It doesn't add up.

Why has the plane done a u-turn and flown so far, in a zigzag route, before coming down? Assuming it really is where it is now being said.
What logic is there for this to happen? What motive? What cause?
Now the biggest of all. messages. Even if all of the distress systems/transponders etc etc on the plane were off, what about the passengers?
With 239 passengers onboard, no-one got off a message or call on mobiles, tablets or laptops in around 6 or 7 hours of flight, post u-turn?? Nonsense. Someone would. Now its human nature to call or text. Unless they were all dead or incapacitated. And how would that happen?

Lets make comparisons.

9/11. The twin towers took hours to come down, and there was a lot of message traffic from them before they collapsed. People had time to do it.
The London tube bombings. When people spilled out of the bombed train, what did they do? Loads took video clips. They had time to do it.

Sending messages from planes is perfectly feasible. Look at the latest. Clarkson was on a plane when sending a tweet.

http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/jeremy-clark...ine--joke--–-daily-tv-round-up-125857092.html

So in around 7 hours of flight, 239 passengers were mute. In today's age? Never.

It doesn't add up.
 
Passengers won't be able to get a signal to call/text. If they were flying over the Indian Ocean, there's no way in hell any standard cell phone would work. In order to connect to the internet, I believe the plane has to have special equipment available, which may have been turned off. Far too much speculation due to lack of information.

9/11, planes were flying at lower altitude over land (cell towers).
 
some airlines do have in flight wifi but i doubt if this plane did, its more at the cattle class end of the spectrum
 
some airlines do have in flight wifi but i doubt if this plane did, its more at the cattle class end of the spectrum

It's called Picocell apparently and allows mobiles to connect via satellite. This plane didn't have it.

No way on earth that anyone could have used their mobile in this situation. It's a total red herring.
 
Heard some interesting things today from an insurance perspective

Most airlines have a limited search and rescue clause in their policy wording, Malaysian have policy limits so upto $1,750,000,000 !!!!

With 26 countries now either having helped or are helping this could be a very very expensive insurance claim indeed

$100m for the hull, S & R estimates at $200m already plus the compensation for the missing, with how badly MA have dealt with this im expecting them to get a rough time in the courts award wise
 
I can see Boeing and the Americans trying to turn this into a Pilot Suicide job like they did with the Silk Air crash. I'm not buying it for a second. Something went wrong, fire or a decompression, they lost some of their instrument readings, turned back, descended to a lower altitude to aid navigation by observable way points and to get to a breathable altitude, but they were overcome by either the smoke, lack of oxygen or hypothermia so the plane Payne Stewarted into oblivion - or maybe, realising there was no hope, they set it on a course to make sure it would crash in an unpopulated area.
 
They won't find anything, got a feeling the authorities don't want it found now. Amazing with all this technology that a plane can just fly for hundreds/thousand of miles with no one knowing about it.

Got to wonder as the search area has got closer to the Australian sea shore why it wasn't picked up on their radar system,its about a 1000 miles,nothing really.

The conspiracy theories will only get worse now,wonder when the first tv programme will come out about it.
 
They won't find anything, got a feeling the authorities don't want it found now. Amazing with all this technology that a plane can just fly for hundreds/thousand of miles with no one knowing about it.

Got to wonder as the search area has got closer to the Australian sea shore why it wasn't picked up on their radar system,its about a 1000 miles,nothing really.

The conspiracy theories will only get worse now,wonder when the first tv programme will come out about it.

Channel 5 have already done two shows.

Meanwhile... http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/591...neer-on-flight-mh370-posts-photo-from-prison/
 
CANBERRA, Australia -- An Australian agency says investigators have concluded that the missing Malaysian jet is not within an area thought to be its most likely resting place after an unmanned submersible found no sign of the plane.

The Joint Agency Coordination Center (JACC) said Thursday the U.S. Navy's Bluefin 21 had finished its final underwater mission in the southern Indian Ocean on Wednesday after scouring 330 square miles looking for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

The agency said an expanded search of 21,600 sq. miles, based on satellite analysis of the plane's most likely route, would probably begin in August after operators of much more powerful commercial side-scan sonar are contracted. Officials say the renewed search could take eight months to a year.

The plane carrying 239 people vanished March 8 on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The word came soon after a U.S. Navy spokesman on Thursday dismissed as "speculative and premature" an American expert's reported comments that the acoustic "pings" at the center of the search for the missing plane didn't come from the jet's black boxes.

CNN reported that the Navy's civilian deputy director of ocean engineering, Michael Dean, said most countries now agreed that the sounds detected by the Navy's Towed Pinger Locator in April in the southern Indian Ocean came from a man-made source unrelated to the jet, which vanished March 8 with 239 people on board.

"Mike Dean's comments today were speculative and premature, as we continue to work with our partners to more thoroughly understand the data acquired by the Towed Pinger Locator," U.S. Navy spokesman Chris Johnson said in a statement, referring to Australia and Malaysia.

The Navy will defer to Australia, the lead nation in the Indian Ocean search effort, to make additional information known at the appropriate time, Johnson said.

Australia's JACC and Australian Transport Minister Warren Truss did not immediately respond to requests for comment Thursday. Dean, who is based in Washington, could not be immediately reached for comment.

Not a single piece of the Boeing 777 has been found after it disappeared during a flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing. Satellite analysis led authorities to believe that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 had diverted sharply from its flight path and flown south to the Indian Ocean.

Officials had described the detection of four series of "pings" in the area that the satellite data indicated was the likely crash site as their best lead in the search. The signals appeared to be consistent with those from aircraft black boxes, which contain flight data and ****pit voice recordings. The locator beacons have a battery life of about a month, so it is presumed they have died.

Earlier this week, the Malaysian government released reams of raw satellite data it used to determine that the flight ended in the southern Indian Ocean, a step long demanded by the families of some of the passengers on board. The conclusion is based on complex calculations derived largely from brief hourly transmissions, or "handshakes," between the plane and a communications satellite operated by the British company Inmarsat.

But while the 45 pages of information may help satisfy a desire for more transparency in a much criticized investigation, experts say it's unlikely to solve the mystery of Flight 370. Theories range from mechanical failure to hijacking or pilot murder-suicide.

The families of the victims - many of whom have been highly critical of the Malaysian government and, in the absence of any wreckage, have been unwilling to accept that their loved ones are dead - had been asking for the raw satellite data for many weeks so it could be examined by independent experts. Malaysia initially balked at doing so, but then reconsidered.

The Reuters news agency reports Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak won't meet with the families of Chinese passengers from the flight when he visits Beijing for the first time since it vanished.

Najib will meet President Xi Jinping and other high-ranking Chinese officials during a six-day stay ending Sunday marking 40 years of diplomatic ties, a Malaysian foreign ministry official told Reuters.

But Najib won't meet with the families. About two-thirds of the Flight 370 passsengers were Chinese. No explanation was given for the Malaysian delegation told Reuters Wednesday he couldn't

immediately say why no meeting would take place.
 
I still think it landed safely somewhere and didnt crash etc. The thing is what ****in country could a plane be kept a secret? Cant be an island as wouldnt be big enough to land the plane safely I dont think anyways.
 
I still think it landed safely somewhere and didnt crash etc. The thing is what ****in country could a plane be kept a secret? Cant be an island as wouldnt be big enough to land the plane safely I dont think anyways.

Then why do you think that's what happened?
 
Then why do you think that's what happened?

Well why does anyone think anything about this? All based on assumptions of course some more rational than others. My view is they would have found it by now or even had some kind of indication. As of yet they just seem to be going round in circles and not have a clue. Either that or theyre just playing us all for fools.
 
I had lunch with some very esteemed Aviation UWs today and the general consensus of opinion round the table was that it was pilot suicide
 
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