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Financial Fair Play

The big problem that football has that the American sports doesn't have is the open nature and international club tournaments. Any measures taken in one country will disadvantage their clubs in European competition unless all countries operate by the same rules.

Agree with that - it's have to be UEFA-wide at least.
 
Re: Premier League ponders salary cap or financial fair play as new cash looms

Who does this hurt the most if a cap is introduced? Any financial gurus in here?

Depends if a cap was just here or across Europe, if it was just here then we'd have an exidois of talent to clubs able to pay more. All the power is currently with the players.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

Europa League winners Atletico Madrid were among 23 clubs to have prize money withheld as European football's governing body UEFA revealed the first sanctions under its financial fair play rules on Tuesday.

UEFA said the clubs, who also include Qatari-owned La Liga side Malaga and Portugal's Sporting, were found to have "important" overdue payments to other teams, their own employees or social and tax authorities.

As a result their money for taking part in European competition would be withheld pending further investigation, UEFA said in a statement.

The clubs will have to provide an updated report on September 30 to a UEFA committee led by former Belgian Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene.

"This... measure will remain in force until all identified balances have been settled in full or until a final decision by the [UEFA committee] is taken," said UEFA.

Among other clubs under investigation are Dinamo Bucharest and Rapid Bucharest of Romania, Turkey's Fenerbahce and Serbia's Partizan Belgrade.

All are involved in this season's UEFA competitions.

There were no clubs from the English Premier League, German Bundesliga, Italy's Serie A or France's Ligue 1 among the clubs named.

UEFA approved the introduction of the far-reaching financial fair play rules in 2009 in a bid to reduce debt and introduce better and more transparent financial dealings among clubs playing in its competitions.

UEFA President Michel Platini said the measures have been introduced to stop clubs from spending their way into oblivion and to force them to live within their means.

They are also intended to stop wealthy owners from trying to buy success with limitless spending on players, distorting the transfer market in the process.

Transfer fees and outgoing payments have been monitored since the start of the 2011/12 season with clubs tasked with breaking even in 2012 and 2013 and being assessed during the 2013/14 season.

If clubs have not come into line by then, they could be thrown out of European competition.


http://fourfourtwo.com/news/restofeurope/108282/default.aspx
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

they are witholding payment to poor clubs?
i thought ffp was to rein in the mega rich!
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

Can't believe the negativity in this thread. UEFA has to start from somewhere. And, in my book, this is a good start.

Agree, there was many who were convinced it would not get this far, lets see what happens.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

Put it this way, I'll be amazed if they boot Real Madrid, Barca or Emirates Marketing Project out of the Champions League. Those teams are massive cash cows for UEFA. Their revenues would drop if the aforementioned teams aren't in the competition.

Why do you think UEFA want to have the Champions League final in London every two years?
 
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Put it this way, I'll be amazed if they boot Real Madrid, Barca or Emirates Marketing Project out of the Champions League. Those teams are massive cash cows for UEFA. Their revenues would drop if the aforementioned teams aren't in the competition.

Why do you think UEFA want to have the Champions League final in London every two years?

I have no idea, but i am sure you can tell me why.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

Why do you think UEFA want to have the Champions League final in London every two years?

Because Platini loves the English?

I agree with the above posts, its a shame about the negativity, but the attitude is not without foundation. Its like giving Blatter benefit of the doubt while he cleans up corruption in football.

UEFA want to keep control of their lucrative tournament, the rich clubs want to take a larger share of the revenues. So gradually its become bigger and bigger with more games and less chance of not being involved for the big clubs. The G14 were bought off with extra places and an expanded tournament. If UEFA get too strict there will be another threat of a breakaway superleague.

Its mirroring the changes in English football before the Premier League. The big five wanted more money for themselves, leading to the end of the gate revenue sharing, a large share of the TV money, etc. It just delayed the inevitable, though, and the PL came about.

In the short term the FFP rules have the approval of the big clubs as they are concerned by the sugar-daddy trend. They don't want any more Chelsea's joining their party and want to keep out City, PSG, Malaga, Anzi, etc. But the big clubs don't want a level playing field, they like the existing tilt, and UEFA have to keep them happy or the breakaway league will happen.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

Are you having a laugh?

Nothing will happen, and no-one will get points deducted except the tinkle poor clubs who are going bust anyway......just like it is now

So, you are saying that nothing should be done as nothing can be done?
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

They have started out slowly, banning some smaller clubs because of irregularities and now withholding prize money. If it's a big club there is now precedent, but so far it's those that have trouble paying that are being targetted. The sugardaddy clubs won't have that problem as long as there is money and there are loopholes for covering losses with money poured into the club from external sources.
 
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So if you have a suggardaddy you can spend money you don't actually have.

But if you don't have a suggardaddy then you can't spend money you don't have. In other words, you can't spend so can't compete with the rich clubs and the rich clubs push on further away.

UEFA are fudging pathetic and I knew this rule would be utter brick. Would say wait till the press pick up on this but won't hold my breath...
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

It great that UEFA are trying to do something. But this does have a bit of a feeling of protecting the rich. In the end you will need to break even. So the bigger clubs with the bigger stadiums with the bigger fan base get in the champions league. The prize money is worth over 10 times that of any other competition. This means that all the teams in the champions league can afford to buy the better and more expensive players. This in turn keeps them in the champions league to repeat the cycle again.

I know that its awful for teams to get there money men but at least it does change the status quo. There are very very few teams like us that have got to the position they are and are financially very well run. Look at the premier league and the same old teams are their or their about.

All this will do is make the sport very American with everything being sponsored so clubs can get more money. Twenty five years ago we did not have a shirt sponsor, now we have a video game sponsor what the hell!!!! Soon our posts and bar will be sponsored with a big sponsor in the six yard box and the centre circle.
 
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So, you are saying that nothing should be done as nothing can be done?

No, what he's saying is all that will be done will be to teams that don't matter to UEFA. The likes of RM, Barca, Chelsea won't be hit but Steau Bucharest will be as they aren't a cashcow club.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

£££££££££££

Note to self. Must admit I am wrong whenever parklane 1 says so

Is there any story anywhere that backs up your claim or is it once again just guesswork on your part, maybe you would be better off not making stuff up if you can not back it up.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

It great that UEFA are trying to do something. But this does have a bit of a feeling of protecting the rich. In the end you will need to break even. So the bigger clubs with the bigger stadiums with the bigger fan base get in the champions league. The prize money is worth over 10 times that of any other competition. This means that all the teams in the champions league can afford to buy the better and more expensive players. This in turn keeps them in the champions league to repeat the cycle again.

I know that its awful for teams to get there money men but at least it does change the status quo. There are very very few teams like us that have got to the position they are and are financially very well run. Look at the premier league and the same old teams are their or their about.

All this will do is make the sport very American with everything being sponsored so clubs can get more money. Twenty five years ago we did not have a shirt sponsor, now we have a video game sponsor what the hell!!!! Soon our posts and bar will be sponsored with a big sponsor in the six yard box and the centre circle.

'New money' teams like City and Chelsea have skipped the queue. Yes they are a change to the usual 'big teams' but they have not earned the right to be there. Their rich daddies just paid for it.

The way I see it is that clubs like Spurs and Arsenal should have been that much closer to the top of the table if these oiligarchs hadn't come along and distorted football's financial landscape. Every 5th place we had would have been a CL place and we would have got there by organically growing the club and learning from our mistakes along the way. Years of pain and inching forward as a club should have been rewarded, but instead the carbon circle clubs skipped by us and gave us the finger on the way past.

There are many big big clubs that are no longer at the sharp end of the table if you go back far enough, and actually even recently enough with Liverpool and Leeds as prime examples. Massive fanbase and CL revenue has not saved them from the mismanagement which has them in the also ran category. I would prefer for Spurs to compete on a playing field where your the size of the fan base determines the size of the club. If you want to be a bigger club then grow your support and the financial benefits that come with that.

The lesson to other clubs has to be run yourself properly and you'll get your rewards and not find yourself a rich benefactor.

I do agree that there has to be more redistribution of wealth but that's a different discussion.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

Is there any story anywhere that backs up your claim or is it once again just guesswork on your part, maybe you would be better off not making stuff up if you can not back it up.

It's called an opinion, I didn't say it was a fact. I believe that UEFA chose to hold the final in London again because of the enormous revenue it generated the last time. The cheapest tickets for the 2011 final were £176 with a £26 admin fee chucked in for good measure.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/20...eague-final-wembley?cat=football&type=article
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

It's called an opinion, I didn't say it was a fact. I believe that UEFA chose to hold the final in London again because of the enormous revenue it generated the last time. The cheapest tickets for the 2011 final were £176 with a £26 admin fee chucked in for good measure.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/20...eague-final-wembley?cat=football&type=article

Thank you for that as i had not seen it, however i still do not see anything that says they will make more money from Wembley then any other big ground elsewere.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

It could just be a case of successful lobbying by the FA, although by its very nature, lobbying generally has an element of quid pro quo. Quid with a capital Q, no doubt.
 
Re: OT Uefa warns clubs about meeting financial fair play rules

Thank you for that as i had not seen it, however i still do not see anything that says they will make more money from Wembley then any other big ground elsewere.

Unless the stadium or City pay UEFA for a visit, I can't see anywhere in Europe matching what Wembley can produce from ticket revenues. Football prices in England are far higher than anywhere else in Europe and London more than in the rest of the country. Tickets at a club like Fulham are several times more expensive than tickets for European giants like Bayern, Real, Barcelona and the Italian trio. People in London are used to paying premium prices for any football match so will be willing to pay a lot for a European final. A 3-4 fold premium for a CL final final ticket won't stop Wembley selling out. If they charged the same in Spain or Germany the premiums would be 10-15 fold and the protests would be far louder.

So I'd expect UEFA to visit London as often as possible. Given the likely protests I doubt it will be every two years, but they will find any decent excuse, e.g. the FA's 150th anniversary.
 
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