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Fabio Paratici - Consultant

AjaxDeSuperYids said:
Agree but I feel Levy played a huge role in destroying Poch.

The penny wise pound foolish approach has taken its toll on many who have come and gone in these last 20 years.

There hasn’t been a truly ambitious owner for the football team at this club since Scholar took over.

Absolute travesty.
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its as if Levy deliberate avoids increasing funding when we are doing really well but does make the right decisions and investments when we are doing badly

from a business point of view it makes sense due to the law of diminisihing marginal returns.
in any industry its what sets leaders away from the pack of mid tier coporates who are always just playing it safe, avoiding a catastrophe and never really funding any innovation, which is by nature risky.

that's the difference when you have a business school corporate man compared to a sports person.
 
metalgear said:
its as if Levy deliberate avoids increasing funding when we are doing really well but does make the right decisions and investments when we are doing badly

from a business point of view it makes sense due to the law of diminisihing marginal returns.
in any industry its what sets leaders away from the pack of mid tier coporates who are always just playing it safe, avoiding a catastrophe and never really funding any innovation, which is by nature risky.

that's the difference when you have a business school corporate man compared to a sports person.
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What utter neolibralism bs.
 
metalgear said:
its as if Levy deliberate avoids increasing funding when we are doing really well but does make the right decisions and investments when we are doing badly

from a business point of view it makes sense due to the law of diminisihing marginal returns.
in any industry its what sets leaders away from the pack of mid tier coporates who are always just playing it safe, avoiding a catastrophe and never really funding any innovation, which is by nature risky.

that's the difference when you have a business school corporate man compared to a sports person.
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If that was true he wouldn't have built a state of the art training facility or one of the best stadiums in Europe/the world.

Your just finding different ways to criticize Enic & DL
 
Will all get overturned at appeal imo, the case has no merit just hearsay and speculation.

The people who should be sanctioned are the prosecutors and the judge who made the decision based on no hard evidence.
 
AjaxDeSuperYids said:
Will all get overturned at appeal imo, the case has no merit just hearsay and speculation.

The people who should be sanctioned are the prosecutors and the judge who made the decision based on no hard evidence.
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Maybe. But they have wire taps etc... they have written statements and texts from players discussing about how they would be paid off the books. Now some of it does sound like bs. Why would paratici overpay atalanta to help out juve? When the deal between atalanta and juve was a fixed price. in negotiations yes you might try and make the otherside think you're overpaying in order to get the deal done. But at the end of the day the price we paid seemed reasonable for a prem club.
 
kb 1984 said:
If that was true he wouldn't have built a state of the art training facility or one of the best stadiums in Europe/the world.

Your just finding different ways to criticize Enic & DL
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But those things actually support @metalgear's assertions. They are very traditional, relatively risk free ways of increasing the value of your investments (real estate), especially if you haven't put any of your own money up front.
 
kb 1984 said:
If that was true he wouldn't have built a state of the art training facility or one of the best stadiums in Europe/the world.

Your just finding different ways to criticize Enic & DL
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It's the safest play to make, so @metalgear is 100% right - investing in players to win things is risky, investing in tangible assets like the stadium/training ground is the safe and sound long-term play. Especially since none of it was ENIC's money, but club money that had to go somewhere.

It's also something that would be more appealing to someone without a football background who studied Land Economy, which is what Levy is and what he excels in. Note - just because it's the safe and uninspiring thing doesn't mean it's wrong, but it is definitely the lower-risk option.
 
Lilbaz said:
Maybe. But they have wire taps etc... they have written statements and texts from players discussing about how they would be paid off the books. Now some of it does sound like bs. Why would paratici overpay atalanta to help out juve? When the deal between atalanta and juve was a fixed price. in negotiations yes you might try and make the otherside think you're overpaying in order to get the deal done. But at the end of the day the price we paid seemed reasonable for a prem club.
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I can’t see how they win the appeal
The reason they won the first case was the prosecution used Transfermarkt for player valuations which got laughed at
That’s when the wire taps and messages came into play and as they were given voluntarily they carried more value
 
DubaiSpur said:
It's the safest play to make, so @metalgear is 100% right - investing in players to win things is risky, investing in tangible assets like the stadium/training ground is the safe and sound long-term play. Especially since none of it was ENIC's money, but club money that had to go somewhere.

It's also something that would be more appealing to someone without a football background who studied Land Economy, which is what Levy is and what he excels in. Note - just because it's the safe and uninspiring thing doesn't mean it's wrong, but it is definitely the lower-risk option.
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It’s also harder to borrow money to buy players
Much easier to borrow money to buy appreciating assets
Where the money comes from is ally’s key but frequently forgotten
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It’s also harder to borrow money to buy players
Much easier to borrow money to buy appreciating assets
Where the money comes from is ally’s key but frequently forgotten
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yes to develop your point in a different way, assets generate revenue - how much of that is going to footballing vs non footballing matters.
now that the stadium is built and the events machinery are generating new revenue streams the ongoing work for levy will be about prioritizing the use of this into investments across the entire group.
 
metalgear said:
yes to develop your point in a different way, assets generate revenue - how much of that is going to footballing vs non footballing matters.
now that the stadium is built and the events machinery are generating new revenue streams the ongoing work for levy will be about prioritizing the use of this into investments across the entire group.
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What group?
Enic only own Tottenham (they nah still have very minor shares in a few other things, I can’t remember)
I think you may be getting caught in the trap that some twiterarti are too
Turnover doesn’t meant profit
The Deloitte league table doesn’t mean cash to invest
How much money do you think we make as a club?
I cannot see us diverting all of this wonderful profit that people think we’re making into property developments for example as we don’t have any other ones happening. Even then when they do they are built using finance, so borrowed money. The club are very public about that
 
DubaiSpur said:
It's the safest play to make, so @metalgear is 100% right - investing in players to win things is risky, investing in tangible assets like the stadium/training ground is the safe and sound long-term play. Especially since none of it was ENIC's money, but club money that had to go somewhere.

It's also something that would be more appealing to someone without a football background who studied Land Economy, which is what Levy is and what he excels in. Note - just because it's the safe and uninspiring thing doesn't mean it's wrong, but it is definitely the lower-risk option.
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It's the lower risk long term option to support higher risk higher spending further down the line. So you can spend more with a safety net.
Plus the first class stadium and training facilities do have daily footballing benefits, whether that's attraction of players or comfort and resourced working environment.

The thing I don't get is the negativity about this direction or process. This is ENICs final act, the slow process of getting to this point is now behind us. Very few owners will take this path, they wouldn't have the stomach for it. Many would like to be in our position.

When ENIC leave the tangible assets will remain....feeding the club, the team, the new owners. That at bare minimum will mean we are a contender (unless some real rank bad management/decisions are made), above what we were and above all of our peers.

They have squeezed us up to the point that only a sugar daddy will see us better. (And even that's not guaranteed in the battle of dingdong swinging sugar daddies)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
It's the lower risk long term option to support higher risk higher spending further down the line. So you can spend more with a safety net.







Plus the first class stadium and training facilities do have daily footballing benefits, whether that's attraction of players or comfort and resourced working environment.















The thing I don't get is the negativity about this direction or process. This is ENICs final act, the slow process of getting to this point is now behind us. Very few owners will take this path, they wouldn't have the stomach for it. Many would like to be in our position.





When ENIC leave the tangible assets will remain....feeding the club, the team, the new owners. That at bare minimum will mean we are a contender (unless some real rank bad management/decisions are made), above what we were and above all of our peers.



They have squeezed us up to the point that only a sugar daddy will see us better. (And even that's not guaranteed in the battle of dingdong swinging sugar daddies)
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Bravo

The off the field assets also make the club much more attractive to investments from those the fans seem to crave, if it was just player investment then there would be queues to Everton to invest also...there isn't

Can't help think to some point Enic have made a rod for their back, raise expectations and get hounded for it, whilst those that hound them ignore the fact that the clubs probably an attractive prospect because of what they have laid out.

As I've said, there was not a line of investors in 2000 even with 55m when they turned up and anyone sneering at their work that transformed the club are not being genuine IMO.
 
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Bedfordspurs said:
It’s also harder to borrow money to buy players



Much easier to borrow money to buy appreciating assets



Where the money comes from is ally’s key but frequently forgotten
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Aka Covid bail outs which could not be used on players when the bright sparks at Enicout out HQ cried about using furlough, which ironically would have meant more freedom of cash on players. Funny old life
 
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