Eric Dier

[Bedfordspurs]

wasn’t that for England vs Spain in the First Nations League game?

He deffo did it in an England game

 

[Raziel]

The difference is Loris is at the tail end of his career. Even if we sold him it wouldn't ve for much.

On the other hand, Dier should be peak age for a CB. Interesting how this turns out as Dier must know his value will for down if he doesn't play competitively for a year.

What is clear though is that he isn't in demand by any premier league team. 1 year left on contract, how much will it cost, and Poch knows thay Chelsea needs experience in the defence.

I think there were options but either he is looking for more cash (sign on bonus in a year) or he doesn't see himself "stepping down to another club"

Either way, his apparent comfort and sitting out a year shows why he shouldn't be part of our team anymore.

 

[DeanoAustin]

I think there were options but either he is looking for more cash (sign on bonus in a year) or he doesn't see himself "stepping down to another club"

Either way, his apparent comfort and sitting out a year shows why he shouldn't be part of our team anymore.

I think that's a bit unfair. I see this judgement passed on a lot of players and have seen it quite a bit in relation to Dier over the last few weeks. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes and none of us know what it's like to be a professional footballer in this situation.

 

[Raziel]

I think that's a bit unfair. I see this judgement passed on a lot of players and have seen it quite a bit in relation to Dier over the last few weeks. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes and none of us know what it's like to be a professional footballer in this situation.

While I agree we don't know the details

- The clubs/Ange's message is pretty clear, he's not part of the squad plans
- We likely are willing to let go for a small enough fee (we wanted room to bring in another CB)
- He's at his peak age for role
- You would assume he want's to be back in England plans

Yet, with all of that, he's likely going to sit for at least 4-6 months doing nothing? no option worked for him?

I don't buy the our players are so brick no one wants them

 

[DeanoAustin]

While I agree we don't know the details

- The clubs/Ange's message is pretty clear, he's not part of the squad plans
- We likely are willing to let go for a small enough fee (we wanted room to bring in another CB)
- He's at his peak age for role
- You would assume he want's to be back in England plans

Yet, with all of that, he's likely going to sit for at least 4-6 months doing nothing? no option worked for him?

I don't buy the our players are so brick no one wants them

I don't believe he'll get back in but players have turned it around before and forced their way back into a manager's plans. Beckham did it at Real Madrid when he was sent to train with the kids/stiffs, Adebayor was frozen out here under AVB and came back in under Tactics Tim. Maybe Dier feels he can do the same.

Maybe he feels a bit slighted that he gave us almost 10 good years and was first choice last year and he's now just been cast aside at what he might see as the drop of a hat and he's decided he's going nowhere unless the move is right for him.

Who knows? I don't know what's going on with Dier, I don't know Dier (aside from what I've seen in interviews where he comes across as a really nice and sharp guy) and I don't know what it's like to be a pro footballer. It's not up to any of us to cast any judgement on his character or professionalism over this.

 

[indospurs]

He deffo did it in an England game

I stand corrected! Cheers

 

[indospurs]

I don't believe he'll get back in but players have turned it around before and forced their way back into a manager's plans. Beckham did it at Real Madrid when he was sent to train with the kids/stiffs, Adebayor was frozen out here under AVB and came back in under Tactics Tim. Maybe Dier feels he can do the same.

Maybe he feels a bit slighted that he gave us almost 10 good years and was first choice last year and he's now just been cast aside at what he might see as the drop of a hat and he's decided he's going nowhere unless the move is right for him.

Who knows? I don't know what's going on with Dier, I don't know Dier (aside from what I've seen in interviews where he comes across as a really nice and sharp guy) and I don't know what it's like to be a pro footballer. It's not up to any of us to cast any judgement on his character or professionalism over this.

If I was him, I'd be miffed not being in the leadership, and now not being chosen at all - but we have no idea what discussions have been had with Levy and Ange. But I do wish him all the best, hope he finds a good team to play in, and quick.

 

[DaveT316]

If I was him, I'd be miffed not being in the leadership, and now not being chosen at all - but we have no idea what discussions have been had with Levy and Ange. But I do wish him all the best, hope he finds a good team to play in, and quick.

And also that the move to United all those years ago was turned down.

I think I’ve said before, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the ones that have been on the club’s ‘journey’ over the past 10 years are probably more than a little frustrated they’ve spent their peak years with us with nothing to show for it.

 

[superspurs]

I stand corrected! Cheers

Think is was Dembele who absolutely wiped Ramos out in the CL at Wembley? One of my favourite moments from him.

 

[tommysvr]

I don't believe he'll get back in but players have turned it around before and forced their way back into a manager's plans. Beckham did it at Real Madrid when he was sent to train with the kids/stiffs, Adebayor was frozen out here under AVB and came back in under Tactics Tim. Maybe Dier feels he can do the same.

Maybe he feels a bit slighted that he gave us almost 10 good years and was first choice last year and he's now just been cast aside at what he might see as the drop of a hat and he's decided he's going nowhere unless the move is right for him.

Who knows? I don't know what's going on with Dier, I don't know Dier (aside from what I've seen in interviews where he comes across as a really nice and sharp guy) and I don't know what it's like to be a pro footballer. It's not up to any of us to cast any judgement on his character or professionalism over this.

Largely irrelevant to the thread but your mentions of Beckham and Adebayor reminded me of Michael Dawson, who was all but sold to QPR by AVB before coming back and being a massive part of the team (and captain if I remember correctly.)

Not sure Dier will replicate that though.

 

[Raziel]

Largely irrelevant to the thread but your mentions of Beckham and Adebayor reminded me of Michael Dawson, who was all but sold to QPR by AVB before coming back and being a massive part of the team (and captain if I remember correctly.)

Not sure Dier will replicate that though.

Dier simply doesn't fit the system, he should see that, probably was told that.

I'm not trying to brick on the guy, but have to say, my thoughts have changed on him and some of the senior players
- I think Ange wanted to break the "leadership" group in team (PEH, Dier, Lloris & Kane)
- Can't help but think when I see Lloris, Dier, PEH seemingly "comfortable" to stay and not play (or see limited play time), has that been one of our challenges over last few years? players who are good but comfortable with status quo or hiding behind manager/others?

Again, when I look at the team Ange is putting out, hunger, energy, players who need to prove themselves and players who choose Spurs now (Maddison) seem to be the profile.

 

[tommysvr]

Dier simply doesn't fit the system, he should see that, probably was told that.

I'm not trying to brick on the guy, but have to say, my thoughts have changed on him and some of the senior players
- I think Ange wanted to break the "leadership" group in team (PEH, Dier, Lloris & Kane)
- Can't help but think when I see Lloris, Dier, PEH seemingly "comfortable" to stay and not play (or see limited play time), has that been one of our challenges over last few years? players who are good but comfortable with status quo or hiding behind manager/others?

Again, when I look at the team Ange is putting out, hunger, energy, players who need to prove themselves and players who choose Spurs now (Maddison) seem to be the profile.

I agree. They (and we) finally met a manager who doesn’t care and will move on without them.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Dier simply doesn't fit the system, he should see that, probably was told that.

I'm not trying to brick on the guy, but have to say, my thoughts have changed on him and some of the senior players
- I think Ange wanted to break the "leadership" group in team (PEH, Dier, Lloris & Kane)
- Can't help but think when I see Lloris, Dier, PEH seemingly "comfortable" to stay and not play (or see limited play time), has that been one of our challenges over last few years? players who are good but comfortable with status quo or hiding behind manager/others?

Again, when I look at the team Ange is putting out, hunger, energy, players who need to prove themselves and players who choose Spurs now (Maddison) seem to be the profile.

I wouldn’t lump PEH in with the others seeing as he has got minutes in every game so far.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Well Sanchez always promises something. Fans and managers alike see the player in there. But ultimately he lets you down. Even when playing well he makes at least one mistake a game. Yes he can dash back and make Ledley-esque blocks which make you think he has something (he does), but the penny finally drops that his mistakes are more costly and outweigh his good play. And at that point you turn to Dier who’s head is more stable. He’s a player who isn’t good enough to play the whole season, but can raise his game and be dependable playing in spells. He was great under Conte for a few months people seem to forget.

I had an idea this was how things would play out. Maybe Dier will feature maybe he won't. But I have faith in Postecoglou making rational choices.

 

[spurspinter1]

I had an idea this was how things would play out. Maybe Dier will feature maybe he won't. But I have faith in Postecoglou making rational choices.

Still seems a nightmare having either Dier or Sanchez as first choice back up CB in case of any injuries / suspensions - Pretty sure most people would have kicked off at that proposition in June.

You happy with Dier or Philips as a stand in if Romero suddenly pings a hamstring next game? I really don't get long term thinking beyond "The squad will might be better next season".

 

[SpurMeUp]

You happy with Dier or Philips as a stand in if Romero suddenly pings a hamstring next game? I really don't get long term thinking beyond "The squad will might be better next season".

Yes.

49 caps for England. Played 8 games at two World Cups. Had various spells in his career where he has played well for us. Granted longer term he's not quite on par with the best. But he's backup. Arguably ideal backup. And you never know, Postecoglou might turn to Royal, Davies, or even Philips.

 

[spurspinter1]

Yes.

49 caps for England. Played 8 games at the World Cup. Had various spells in his career where he has played well for us. Granted longer term he's not quite on par with the best. But he's backup. Arguably ideal backup. And you never know, Postecoglou might turn to Royal, Davies, or even Philips.

Maguire has no doubt played more for England and games at the world cup (not going to check it but no doubt it's true), but that doesn't make him right for our set up if we want to do anything this season.

It's a tremendously weak argument considering the fact that Philips has been on the bench ahead of Dier so far this season anyways.

Can see it happening a mile off - If one of our CBs has an issue in training and we go to Arsenals gaff in a week or so with Dier or Davies we'll get ruined, what's the point in playing it out?

Edit - Maguire's also been a fudging legend for England. It's been a mile away from his club form but looked imperious at international level. Dier has been a part of some good games but not a mainstay by any stretch.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Maguire has no doubt played more for England and games at the world cup (not going to check it but no doubt it's true), but that doesn't make him right for our set up if we want to do anything this season.

It's a tremendously weak argument considering the fact that Philips has been on the bench ahead of Dier so far this season anyways.

Can see it happening a mile off - If one of our CBs has an issue in training and we go to Arsenals gaff in a week or so with Dier or Davies we'll get ruined, what's the point in playing it out?

Edit - Maguire's also been a fudging legend for England. It's been a mile away from his club form but looked imperious at international level. Dier has been a part of some good games but not a mainstay by any stretch.

Would be okay with Maguire as backup too. The lack of pace is a thing, but Dier isn't slower than Davies. With VDV next to him he can do a job.

 

[spurspinter1]

Would be okay with Maguire as backup too. The lack of pace is a thing, but Dier isn't slower than Davies. With VDV next to him he can do a job.

Fair enough, Maguire and Dier are good footballers but just not who I'd opt for as cover for our system. I foresee a mess if there's any issues, it's likely it would have been the same with Sanchez around too. It wouldn't have hurt to have another decent CB around but maybe that's asking too much.

It's for a different thread but it's the same for the left side, Davies doesn't have the same kind of recovery pace as VDV and still hasn't played as a CB pairing in the PL, doing it for Wales or as a back 3 for Conte is different thing.