Dele interview

[afsoc4life]

The abuse and drugs was from his time in England. He said little about Africa other than he was sent to his dad to be taught discipline for 6 months. He really only said that he didn't enjoy it as the culture was very different.

If his family in Nigeria is/was wealthy, that certainly didn't seem to translate to his early life in England.

None of us are in a position to challenge what he's saying because none of us know him.

Be curious, not judgemental.

Thanks for the clarity. Asking questions is a sign of curiousity. I don't recall posting that we should do anything to him in this thread.

I can share the experience of discipline. Mine was a 3 year stint in a naval school in Nigeria in my early teens. I had both good and bad times there. I made some good friends. Speaking of which I don't think I have seen Dele with Nigerian friends hmmm. Then again I dont keep an eye on him.

I am shocked to hear about the drugs. I am not so shocked on the abuse. The amount of sexual abuse meted out to both male and female young'uns especially males is yet to be properly exposed. It occurs far too much around the world. I have tried to protect my kids and by GHod's grace, so far they have been spared this.

His history may also explain his approach to the football games i.e., the mentality and aggression.

I belong to a platform where Dele's father used to post. I know a few will reach out to him if required to confirm this story. There are people who know the family and I think they are fairly popular.

 

[afsoc4life]

You literally said you can challenge some aspects whilst giving off the impression that you hadn't seen the interview.

So you had a choice to clarify what you meant or to bizarrely go on the aggressive as you have done above. Making the location out to be important seemed distasteful/ irrelevant and suggesting someone hugs a power line is a rather unkind suggestion but thanks nonetheless.

PHCN hardly functions. Nigeria's power supply is epileptic. Hugging a nonfunctional electrical transformer is a typical joke in the country. No damage would occur - that is the joke.

Your points are fair and noted. My apologies for any offences. It was not intentional.

 

[afsoc4life]

If he watched it, he wouldn't ask those questions, as it was clearly addressed in the interview.

I haven't watched it. Currently in a location where I have to manage my bandwidth.

 

[thfcsteff]

Criticizing players for there on field ability is allowed (but not helpful at the game itself and especially if it sinks to a level of vitriol about anything other than the player's ability). Realistically Dele struggled / struggles in any position other than his most natural, managers aren't "anti Alli" for attempting to fit him in to their system and although you might not appreciate Jose's style of prodding or poking at players to get a reaction, it worked for many others. I do appreciate you're quite set in your views on this so I'm not expecting any change there!

On the interview itself, hats off to Dele for coming forward with the information, even if it was forced by the gutter press, regardless of what he puts out in public the guy is putting the work in to be his best, that's great to hear.

I feel calls of us resigning him nonsense to be blunt, waiving any transfer fee is an interesting one, if it helps him turn the corner fantastic but perhaps there's a middle ground solution between us and Everton. No doubt the club will be there to support him if needed and it'll be the same with MK Dons too.

With regards to Jose, he actually failed. He got the job promising he could 'do better' and instead, we went backwards under him. I think it is significant that the two players he essentially bombed out (Rose and Dele) have mental health struggles.

With regards to playing him outside his natural position, I think it was always important that he be judged on that position! He actually had a very good 2018 World Cup. But any player of his ilk would've found it hard in that type of deployment and with that sort of football IMO mate.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Thanks for the clarity. Asking questions is a sign of curiousity. I don't recall posting that we should do anything to him in this thread.

I can share the experience of discipline. Mine was a 3 year stint in a naval school in Nigeria in my early teens. I had both good and bad times there. I made some good friends. Speaking of which I don't think I have seen Dele with Nigerian friends hmmm. Then again I dont keep an eye on him.

I am shocked to hear about the drugs. I am not so shocked on the abuse. The amount of sexual abuse meted out to both male and female young'uns especially males is yet to be properly exposed. It occurs far too much around the world. I have tried to protect my kids and by GHod's grace, so far they have been spared this.

His history may also explain his approach to the football games i.e., the mentality and aggression.

I belong to a platform where Dele's father used to post. I know a few will reach out to him if required to confirm this story. There are people who know the family and I think they are fairly popular.

Which part do you feel might need confirmation? I didn't take from the interview that he was accusing his father of molesting him. Rather it was someone who was at his home when he was living with his mother. He didn't really say a lot about his dad at all.

 

[afsoc4life]

Which part do you feel might need confirmation? I didn't take from the interview that he was accusing his father of molesting him. Rather it was someone who was at his home when he was living with his mother. He didn't really say a lot about his dad at all.

Confirm in my post meant 'get his own view'. People will definitely reach out to him to understand how this happened to Dele. The father is far more accessible to them than Dele.

 

[Gutter Boy]

With regards to Jose, he actually failed. He got the job promising he could 'do better' and instead, we went backwards under him. I think it is significant that the two players he essentially bombed out (Rose and Dele) have mental health struggles.

With regards to playing him outside his natural position, I think it was always important that he be judged on that position! He actually had a very good 2018 World Cup. But any player of his ilk would've found it hard in that type of deployment and with that sort of football IMO mate.

Bullies like Mourinho always scent out weakness. The way he destroyed Alli was a well rehearsed playbook of his. It was going in two footed at the start of a match to leave your mark. It was a 'don't fudge with me or I will destroy you' to the rest of the squad.

It's not how you behave in the twenty-first century. And it didn't even work for Mourinho, because Gen Z people are too emotionally intelligent to respond to that approach.

 

[afsoc4life]

Bullies like Mourinho always scent out weakness. The way he destroyed Alli was a well rehearsed playbook of his. It was going in two footed at the start of a match to leave your mark. It was a 'don't fudge with me or I will destroy you' to the rest of the squad.

It's not how you behave in the twenty-first century. And it didn't even work for Mourinho, because Gen Z people are too emotionally intelligent to respond to that approach.

Mourinho destroyed Dele? I dont agree. Let's quit with the pointing fingers at Jose. Dele was already underperforming under Pochettino. I still wouldn't claim Poch destroyed Dele. The lack of support around Dele outside the football pitch for me for me is a bigger concern.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Thanks for the clarity. Asking questions is a sign of curiousity. I don't recall posting that we should do anything to him in this thread.

I can share the experience of discipline. Mine was a 3 year stint in a naval school in Nigeria in my early teens. I had both good and bad times there. I made some good friends. Speaking of which I don't think I have seen Dele with Nigerian friends hmmm. Then again I dont keep an eye on him.

I am shocked to hear about the drugs. I am not so shocked on the abuse. The amount of sexual abuse meted out to both male and female young'uns especially males is yet to be properly exposed. It occurs far too much around the world. I have tried to protect my kids and by GHod's grace, so far they have been spared this.

His history may also explain his approach to the football games i.e., the mentality and aggression.

I belong to a platform where Dele's father used to post. I know a few will reach out to him if required to confirm this story. There are people who know the family and I think they are fairly popular.

The drugs bit didn't surprise me to be honest when I heard how he'd grown up. It seems he had no parental supervision. Over here drugs are a problem in Dublin particularly and in poor areas, kids are used for all sorts by the drugs gangs. The thinking is they are less likely to be pulled by the police.

On the sexual abuse, sadly, I think you're right. We've had a lot come out over the last two decades. I suspect other countries will see similar revelations.

It was also very clear that Dele has no time for his dad. There's obviously a lot behind it but he elaborated on his birth parents going to the press in 2018 and alleging all sorts about his adopted parents. I'm pretty sure he described it as a betrayal and it was clear he has no relationship with either of his biological parents.

 

[spurspinter1]

With regards to Jose, he actually failed. He got the job promising he could 'do better' and instead, we went backwards under him. I think it is significant that the two players he essentially bombed out (Rose and Dele) have mental health struggles.

With regards to playing him outside his natural position, I think it was always important that he be judged on that position! He actually had a very good 2018 World Cup. But any player of his ilk would've found it hard in that type of deployment and with that sort of football IMO mate.

It's a tricky one, not to take it too far off topic but every player a manager deals with will have mental health problems (perhaps challenges / struggles is more accurate than "problems") of varying degrees and what works for one player won't for another. It's hard to speak on the subject without making assumptions, but Dele and Rose in particular have had a tough time everywhere since they left, the problems weren't caused by Jose being a bit mean. Dele's got plenty of time left and as I said I really hope this is a turning of the corner and he gets back to his best, hopefully he'll feel the love and support much more than the negativity/ jealousy from people who didn't have a clue.

I get the playing to your strengths thing with Dele but you also have to be able to fit in to a system if you aren't performing at a high enough level to have the team built around you. It's a bit of a chicken and egg thing I guess.

 

[spurspinter1]

PHCN hardly functions. Nigeria's power supply is epileptic. Hugging a nonfunctional electrical transformer is a typical joke in the country. No damage would occur - that is the joke.

Your points are fair and noted. My apologies for any offences. It was not intentional.

All good mate, I'm not too hot on Nigerian comedy so I appreciate the explanation!

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Confirm in my post meant 'get his own view'. People will definitely reach out to him to understand how this happened to Dele. The father is far more accessible to them than Dele.

Thanks, understood.

 

[JerusalemMan]

Bullies like Mourinho always scent out weakness. The way he destroyed Alli was a well rehearsed playbook of his. It was going in two footed at the start of a match to leave your mark. It was a 'don't fudge with me or I will destroy you' to the rest of the squad.

It's not how you behave in the twenty-first century. And it didn't even work for Mourinho, because Gen Z people are too emotionally intelligent to respond to that approach.

Gen Z people are too emotionally intelligent. Thanks for giving me a great laugh this early in the morning. You're hilarious.

 

[AuroRaman]

Gen Z people are too emotionally intelligent. Thanks for giving me a great laugh this early in the morning. You're hilarious.

Is that even a debate? Each generation progresses and becomes more emotionally aware and intelligent than the previous.

We’re literally conversing in a thread about a young, professional footballer using his platform to discuss the effects of his childhood trauma and mental health, in the hope he can help others.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Mourinho destroyed Dele? I dont agree. Let's quit with the pointing fingers at Jose. Dele was already underperforming under Pochettino. I still wouldn't claim Poch destroyed Dele. The lack of support around Dele outside the football pitch for me for me is a bigger concern.

He'd definitely had a wobble after the red card against Gent. That seemed to cause a bit of a shock in terms of he maybe had to not play completely by instinct, and think a bit more. But with some nurturing management, I'm sure he could have matured as a player and got over that bump. Instead he was targeted and used to make an example of.

 

[Rorschach]

Gen Z people are too emotionally intelligent. Thanks for giving me a great laugh this early in the morning. You're hilarious.

This generation compared to the last is like night and day. We were the night, we hid everything. They are the day.

 

[Kandi1977]

Confirm in my post meant 'get his own view'. People will definitely reach out to him to understand how this happened to Dele. The father is far more accessible to them than Dele.

His father is a non entity in Dele's life. They've got no contact at all, and Dele said that he'd probably come out and deny everything mentioned about him, although he was hardly mentioned.
Not much of a father either, when you allow your kid to grow up in a situation like Dele, especially if he's wealthy as you said.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Bullies like Mourinho always scent out weakness. The way he destroyed Alli was a well rehearsed playbook of his. It was going in two footed at the start of a match to leave your mark. It was a 'don't fudge with me or I will destroy you' to the rest of the squad.

Lol

shame this thread is being derailed by those wanting to go in 2 footed on Jose! His on pitch problems started 18 months - 2 years before Jose even arrived at the club!

 

[Grays_1890]

Bullies like Mourinho always scent out weakness. The way he destroyed Alli was a well rehearsed playbook of his. It was going in two footed at the start of a match to leave your mark. It was a 'don't fudge with me or I will destroy you' to the rest of the squad.

It's not how you behave in the twenty-first century. And it didn't even work for Mourinho, because Gen Z people are too emotionally intelligent to respond to that approach.

I'm not going to single Jose out for his downfall because as much as I dont like the bloke that would not be fair. However as i said yesterday, all these so called master manipulators and mind fame expert managers probably need to tone it down with their reverse psychology, slating in public for a reaction and all the little tricks you hear about over the years with this idea it will get the best out of people. We are in an age where it doesn't work and as I said yesterday, manager are not qualified psychologists beyond their own egos.

Along with the press and fans who should move away from making harmful assumptions about private lives and stick to just talking about the facts and performances.

For me this should be a watershed moment where people reflect and look a second harder at why something might be happening rather than making swift assumptions and think something else might be at play.

 

[JerusalemMan]

Is that even a debate? Each generation progresses and becomes more emotionally aware and intelligent than the previous.

We’re literally conversing in a thread about a young, professional footballer using his platform to discuss the effects of his childhood trauma and mental health, in the hope he can help others.

Displaying and talking about emotions is not the same as being emotionally intelligent. The self-awareness of one's emotions and their impact on you/others doesn't automatically correlate to displays of emotion and torrents of babble just about them. It can, in fact, be an indicator of a different type of emotional lack of intelligence compared to that manifested more often in previous generations.