Dele Alli

[Finney Is Back]

Play him where though?

he isn’t as good as Lo Celso at moving with the ball or Ndombele at passing and beating a man
He could be one of the attacking 3 of course

He is better than Lo Celso at finding pockets of space between the lines though. Personally I think Dele will be a useful asset against the bus parkers.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Lol you might want to take a look in the mirror with an open mind mate!

I believe I have an open mind and challenge you to find where I have made a mindless rant against any player at the club, I'm not in love with Lamela and think with the talent he's got he should be able to use his right foot but I dont hate him and think he should be thrown out of the club. I believe all the players are trying their best and like all humans make mistakes, some are better than others and they do have a duty to work to improve. Dele was a lot better on Thursday than his last game but I cant see him getting in front of Sissoko, Moura, Bergwin or Winks at the moment despite being a better player than any of them.


I would love to see all the kids in the academy make it but they won't and can't understand why people who have never seen a kid play rave over them and add to the hype, Edward's was a classic case fantastic natural talent but lacking in some areas unlike Skipp.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

He is better than Lo Celso at finding pockets of space between the lines though. Personally I think Dele will be a useful asset against the bus parkers.

You could be right but my concern is he hasn’t had any more impact historically than anyone else against bus parkers
And IMO currently Lo Celso just has more about his game that Dele

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It’s a bit of a conundrum but I’m not 400% sure what the first choice trio is, I’m hoping Mourinho wants to see Gio and Ndombele 400% fit before he unleashes them both with Hojberg sitting.
Even then I think the pair of them prefer to be deeper as there is more space to exploit. Although we don’t seem to have a true number 10 role when they play they do seem to have been rotated as the most advance midfielder. There is some flexibility in the lie up to me the opponent, I think Mourinho likes to have Sissoko in their as a disruptor, which then means one of GLC and NDom would be on the bench. Again I am really hoping that a fit GLC takes the role of the box to box ball carrier, with sissoko his deputy. Winks can shadow PEH which would then leave Ndombele as the creative force, I see no reason why a hard working pressing Dele can compete for that role, albeit with a skill set that is more effective slightly higher up the pitch which would lead to his introduction if we were desperate for a goal or against a weaker team where we expect to be playing in their half against a deep lying defence.
Of course there are overlaps with all those 6 players and their attributes and in many ways I think Hojberg, Lo Celso and Ndombele are the perfect complimentary trio - the one thing it may lack is goals and to have the option of switching Dele in for one of them when chasing a game or needing a change of attacking options would be a fantastic.
One of the things that may really make the difference this season is the rotation of players, Mourninho seems to be doing this shrewdly so far, perhaps mindful of the situation last season. If we can keep our best players fit it allows for more and more rhythm to build both in training and matchday , genuine competition for places as the backups are getting minutes to both prove themselves and keep match sharp and hopefully when it comes to the business end of the season the match winners will be a available and b sharp enough to make that 1% difference that we’ve been missing when we approach the final hurdle. There will be a few unsung heroes along the way, possibly one player who we don’t see as first x1 today who can force the issue too. I just love the depth we have, the austerity years were painful and Id still debate the alternative approaches but seeing what we have now is starting to justify the means as whilst we managed to get a competitive first X1 our wage and appeal wasn’t quite enough to attract the level of squad player that our rivals could introduce either in game or in rotation.
Sorry got carried away there, in short Dele will be an important player for us, even if he is now a backup!

So you think dele can play in midfield?
I personally don’t see it
His tackling is ok at best and his passing is too. His lack of a willingness to use his left foot is comparable with Lamelas fear of his right. To play CM you also need to be able to move with the ball
Dele comes alive in high risk, high reward spaces around the area and in the attacking third. For me he doesn’t offer enough for a top top side in midfield but can as one of the attacking ones. He could forseably play in Ndombeles place and he could drop deeper go accommodate. I would only try that against the weaker sides but then we wouldn’t beg the holy triangle of PEH/Ndom/Lo Celso which a lot is us would like to see
Dele will have a role to play this season. He is too big a personality and player IMO for that not to be the case

 

[Raziel]

So you think dele can play in midfield?
I personally don’t see it
His tackling is ok at best and his passing is too. His lack of a willingness to use his left foot is comparable with Lamelas fear of his right. To play CM you also need to be able to move with the ball
Dele comes alive in high risk, high reward spaces around the area and in the attacking third. For me he doesn’t offer enough for a top top side in midfield but can as one of the attacking ones. He could forseably play in Ndombeles place and he could drop deeper go accommodate. I would only try that against the weaker sides but then we wouldn’t beg the holy triangle of PEH/Ndom/Lo Celso which a lot is us would like to see
Dele will have a role to play this season. He is too big a personality and player IMO for that not to be the case

Dele right now should be trying to create a scoring partnership with Vini, if he could do that, it would allow us to rest Son & Kane more regularly (who in my opinion, i.e. Kane & Son staying fit for the majority of season will be the difference between a good and a great season for us).

Bale/Lucas/Bergwijn/Lamela can all rotate the wider positions ..

Like you, don't see Dele as a CM of the intensity Jose is looking for.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Dele right now should be trying to create a scoring partnership with Vini, if he could do that, it would allow us to rest Son & Kane more regularly (who in my opinion, i.e. Kane & Son staying fit for the majority of season will be the difference between a good and a great season for us).

Bale/Lucas/Bergwijn/Lamela can all rotate the wider positions ..

Like you, don't see Dele as a CM of the intensity Jose is looking for.

TBF dele was great midweek and did lay on that goal for Vini which he could have scored himself
Maybe that’s the way they both get games

 

[elltrev]

I believe I have an open mind and challenge you to find where I have made a mindless rant against any player at the club, I'm not in love with Lamela and think with the talent he's got he should be able to use his right foot but I dont hate him and think he should be thrown out of the club. I believe all the players are trying their best and like all humans make mistakes, some are better than others and they do have a duty to work to improve. Dele was a lot better on Thursday than his last game but I cant see him getting in front of Sissoko, Moura, Bergwin or Winks at the moment despite being a better player than any of them.


I would love to see all the kids in the academy make it but they won't and can't understand why people who have never seen a kid play rave over them and add to the hype, Edward's was a classic case fantastic natural talent but lacking in some areas unlike Skipp.

I just meant that I thought Billyiddo was having a very reasonable and balanced discussion with you about Dele, and that you then went a bit off on one, thus being guilty of doing a similar kind of thing to what you were complaining about! I think accusing people of having ‘favourites’ when they’re just having a balanced discussion can be at least as annoying on here as people who do actually have ‘favourites’ or spacegoats.

 

[milo]

I wonder if he is better suited to playing off Vinicius than Kane now. Kane likes to drop into the spaces that Dele occupies now.

 

[Raziel]

TBF dele was great midweek and did lay on that goal for Vini which he could have scored himself
Maybe that’s the way they both get games

I wouldn't say he was great, he had moments but you could also see the rustiness at times (understandably). But yes, may be best opp for both of them to get games if they have a working partnership.

@milo I agree, Vini is probably the better striker for Dele to do his ghosting runs off of now ..

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I wouldn't say he was great, he had moments but you could also see the rustiness at times (understandably). But yes, may be best opp for both of them to get games if they have a working partnership.

@milo I agree, Vini is probably the better striker for Dele to do his ghosting runs off of now ..

I thought he had a great game
But they were a pub team
I’d expect him to shine vs them TBF

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I wonder if he is better suited to playing off Vinicius than Kane now. Kane likes to drop into the spaces that Dele occupies now.

Very good point.

 

[MKSpur]

So you think dele can play in midfield?
I personally don’t see it
His tackling is ok at best and his passing is too. His lack of a willingness to use his left foot is comparable with Lamelas fear of his right. To play CM you also need to be able to move with the ball
Dele comes alive in high risk, high reward spaces around the area and in the attacking third. For me he doesn’t offer enough for a top top side in midfield but can as one of the attacking ones. He could forseably play in Ndombeles place and he could drop deeper go accommodate. I would only try that against the weaker sides but then we wouldn’t beg the holy triangle of PEH/Ndom/Lo Celso which a lot is us would like to see
Dele will have a role to play this season. He is too big a personality and player IMO for that not to be the case

If he plays as a cm he doesn’t have an outstanding attribute but his athleticism and awareness will allow him to do a bit more than hanging around the edge of the box looking for a knockdown off the striker. His passing and tackling are certainly no worse than winks or sissoko’s imo, his biggest weakness I think is his decision making, the payoff for a risky nutmeg or first time pass is ever different versus the risk in the deeper part of the pitch. In a 3 with two more disciplined players with him I think he can play as an midfielder. Certainly in a situation where Lo Celso or Ndombele were knackered and we needed to get a goal I’d rather see him than winks or Sissoko come on. The holy trinity will increase his chances of playing, otherwise he’s competing with Lo Celso and Ndombele which when both fully fit is a difficult argument for him to be on the bench instead of one of them.
It’s a very good point about how Kane’s role has changed and how he may be better suited to playing with Vincius though. There is a feeling he may go in Jan to finance a centre back, Thursday was a small step back with him at least getting a decent run out, with the caveat if the quality of the opposition causing restraint about the real quality of his performance. The next couple of weeks should help us see where he fits in the plan, is he on a tough love plan to come a back into the squad or is he being phased out. If he’s not at least making the Prem bench by Jan I’d be disappointed if wasn’t asking for a move.

 

[Finney Is Back]

So you think dele can play in midfield?
I personally don’t see it
His tackling is ok at best and his passing is too. His lack of a willingness to use his left foot is comparable with Lamelas fear of his right. To play CM you also need to be able to move with the ball
Dele comes alive in high risk, high reward spaces around the area and in the attacking third. For me he doesn’t offer enough for a top top side in midfield but can as one of the attacking ones. He could forseably play in Ndombeles place and he could drop deeper go accommodate. I would only try that against the weaker sides but then we wouldn’t beg the holy triangle of PEH/Ndom/Lo Celso which a lot is us would like to see
Dele will have a role to play this season. He is too big a personality and player IMO for that not to be the case

Dele is WAY more two footed than Lamela. I think he is also considerably more two footed than Lo Celso.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Dele is WAY more two footed than Lamela. I think he is also considerably more two footed than Lo Celso.

If he is he is hasn’t shown it
People really need to watch his play again and see as right footers are less obviously one footed
Lo Celso is one footed but will switch play and use his right peg
Lamela is a crab who who can only use his left foot. He is zoolander

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

If he is he is hasn’t shown it
People really need to watch his play again and see as right footers are less obviously one footed
Lo Celso is one footed but will switch play and use his right peg
Lamela is a crab who who can only use his left foot. He is zoolander

Get your tin helmet ready , that opinion is sacrilege to many.

 

[parklane1]

Play him where though?

he isn’t as good as Lo Celso at moving with the ball or Ndombele at passing and beating a man
He could be one of the attacking 3 of course

That is the big question for me as well, i have said before that i just can not see where he really fits at the moment. There is no doubt he has bags of talent but the way Jose has set us up does not allow him to show them. IMO he either has to change his game ( and by doing that lessen those strengths) or Jose will have to change the way he wants us to play. Not sure if either one of those is likely at least at this time.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

That is the big question for me as well, i have said before that i just can not see where he really fits at the moment. There is no doubt he has bags of talent but the way Jose has set us up does not allow him to show them. IMO he either has to change his game ( and by doing that lessen those strengths) or Jose will have to change the way he wants us to play. Not sure if either one of those is likely at least at this time.

I genuinely don’t think that any Spurs fan wouldn’t want dele to start... but I can’t see where the hell he would in the team currently. And this is the teams that’s been longest at the top than any we have had for a very very long time

 

[parklane1]

I genuinely don’t think that any Spurs fan wouldn’t want dele to start... but I can’t see where the hell he would in the team currently. And this is the teams that’s been longest at the top than any we have had for a very very long time

Indeed.

 

[billyiddo]

It's not about throwing him in to the starting XI at the expense of someone playing well just to give him games because we want him playing - it's about getting time in the cup games and off the bench in the area of the pitch that he is suited to and giving him the chance to force his way in. Saying "who does he replace" is a pointless question right now as the answer is no one, but good performances from him in the cups and off the bench will potentially change that.

Thursday was a good start, keep up those levels of performance and then go from there - a Dele who looks to be getting back to the level he once was is good enough to ask questions of those in front of him in the pecking order, and that is a good thing for the team.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It's not about throwing him in to the starting XI at the expense of someone playing well just to give him games because we want him playing - it's about getting time in the cup games and off the bench in the area of the pitch that he is suited to and giving him the chance to force his way in. Saying "who does he replace" is a pointless question right now as the answer is no one, but good performances from him in the cups and off the bench will potentially change that.

Thursday was a good start, keep up those levels of performance and then go from there - a Dele who looks to be getting back to the level he once was is good enough to ask questions of those in front of him in the pecking order, and that is a good thing for the team.

Agreed