Dele Alli

[parklane1]

Thanks. I had thought he had the Graham Roberts toughness with some Gascoine-esque skills. I have read that he was like two players on the pitch as he was such a fierce competitor.

GHod, but I love this club. F uck all them others.

To be honest he was hard but he could play as well and his passes from the back were fodder from heaven for the likes of Greaves etc.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

One of the greatest players to have worn a Spurs shirt ( imo), Sir Bill once said that Mackay was his best ever signing and he was probably right. I have never seen a harder player ( but he was always a fair one) he stood only 5ft 7inches but i swear the ground rumbled when he moved forward. I was there ( Old Trafford) the first time he broke his leg and although he must have been in a lot of pain he sat up one the stretcher and applauded us Spurs fans as he was carried off.

I met him in the pub a few times after the games and he was a really good person.

I met him when we played hearts away in Europa as he was on our table

Their fans were saying we would struggle with the stands so close to the pitch and the atmosphere would be aggressive and he just laughed.... he said you need to be at a London derby at the lane under lights to understand atmosphere

 

[papaspur]

Well, I was thinking he had vastly improved his temperament from last season, but his tackle yesterday was simply inexcusable. I get that he's young and prone to petulance but he's made himself a role model with his tremendous ability.

Ultimately, I'm disappointed but relieved he didn't break the guy's leg. Passion can be a double-edged sword at times and is an underrated asset; he simply needs to continue learning to temper it and be more productive with his frustration (even if it's warranted).

 

[DubaiSpur]

Give over. Anyone who's played the game (at any level) knows what was going on there.

The ref f*cked him off, and unfortunately for us (and him) the oppurtunity to show how f*cked off he was presented itself 3 seconds later. Alli didn't even have a clue (in that moment) whether he would seriously injure someone, it didn't even enter his head because his head was full of other angry sh*t.

Ive seen it 100 times. People are remorseful if something bad happens as a consequence but you still did it.

Hopefully he'll learn, because as i said earlier, it's not helpful for him, us or the victim.

Pretty much. A significant portion of my sympathy comes from having been in similar situations as a goalie - I was (and am) quite slight for a keeper, and never quite hit the 6' 0" mark in terms of height, either, so I got roughed around a lot by blockhouse forwards who would leave the boot in and steam into frankly unnecessary challenges just to set a precedent for a future attempt to knock the ball out of my hands in a corner situation or when I came out to collect a cross. They played the ref - if he gave too many things in my favor, he'd look like he was protecting the goalkeeper too much, so they'd get a lot of obvious fouls out of the way early so that in the significant moments, they could challenge wildly for the ball and reasonably expect the ref to think 'well, I've already given a lot of fouls in that keeper's favor, best let that one stand'.

I got enormously angry when I saw how the refs were getting played by these guys game after game - I even pointed it out to them time and again, but refs are an unusually blinkered lot in any country, anywhere, so I just got brushed off. Can you imagine, then, how it felt for Alli, who was getting the s*it slyly kicked out of him for the entirety of the game leading up to that moment, and had just been clearly cleared out again by a gleeful opponent who knew that the ref (standing right in front of him) wouldn't give jack sh*t because he had a Gent top on under his disgracefully-obtained ref's shirt?

For me, I got sent off once after I kicked out at a forward who'd just thundered into my ankles early on in a game looong after I'd picked up the ball he was running onto. He was trying the same thing he'd tried in earlier games - this time, he got studs in the stomach for his troubles. I got sent off, our team lost, I was dropped for a long while - it felt horrible.

I agree that Alli was stupid, that he plays at an (enormously) higher level and should know better, that he could have been more strategic. But I don't blame him at all, because when you have a ref as a c*ntish as the one who pretended to do the job yesterday, seeing red after realizing that the c*nt who just cleaned you out was probably laughing in his head at how one-sided this ref was seems like an eminently human, understandable thing.

In the future, do it more strategically - it's all I ask. If the ref is as c*ntish as this and your opponents realize it, you're effectively on your own out there - worse still, you may actually be at a disadvantage, because the ref will dish out yellow cards to you and your team for complaining about the opponents but will do nothing when they clatter into you or strategically foul you. So, in those situations, do it strategically. Get DeJaegere at a more opportune time, maybe when challenging for a cross or some other sort of winnable 50:50. Get Dier to shuffle across and thump him in an innocent way when the ref's eyes are diverted. Do what Lamela did and step on his hand while walking around, *purely* unintentionally.

Don't let DeJaegere and his team-mates dominate all the dark arts and game management because the ref is a paid-off turdstain. Do it yourself, but more intelligently.

 

[90291Spur]

Pretty much. A significant portion of my sympathy comes from having been in similar situations as a goalie - I was (and am) quite slight for a keeper, and never quite hit the 6' 0" mark in terms of height, either, so I got roughed around a lot by blockhouse forwards who would leave the boot in and steam into frankly unnecessary challenges just to set a precedent for a future attempt to knock the ball out of my hands in a corner situation or when I came out to collect a cross. They played the ref - if he gave too many things in my favor, he'd look like he was protecting the goalkeeper too much, so they'd get a lot of obvious fouls out of the way early so that in the significant moments, they could challenge wildly for the ball and reasonably expect the ref to think 'well, I've already given a lot of fouls in that keeper's favor, best let that one stand'.

I got enormously angry when I saw how the refs were getting played by these guys game after game - I even pointed it out to them time and again, but refs are an unusually blinkered lot in any country, anywhere, so I just got brushed off. Can you imagine, then, how it felt for Alli, who was getting the s*it slyly kicked out of him for the entirety of the game leading up to that moment, and had just been clearly cleared out again by a gleeful opponent who knew that the ref (standing right in front of him) wouldn't give jack sh*t because he had a Gent top on under his disgracefully-obtained ref's shirt?

For me, I got sent off once after I kicked out at a forward who'd just thundered into my ankles early on in a game looong after I'd picked up the ball he was running onto. He was trying the same thing he'd tried in earlier games - this time, he got studs in the stomach for his troubles. I got sent off, our team lost, I was dropped for a long while - it felt horrible.

I agree that Alli was stupid, that he plays at an (enormously) higher level and should know better, that he could have been more strategic. But I don't blame him at all, because when you have a ref as a c*ntish as the one who pretended to do the job yesterday, seeing red after realizing that the c*nt who just cleaned you out was probably laughing in his head at how one-sided this ref was seems like an eminently human, understandable thing.

In the future, do it more strategically - it's all I ask. If the ref is as c*ntish as this and your opponents realize it, you're effectively on your own out there - worse still, you may actually be at a disadvantage, because the ref will dish out yellow cards to you and your team for complaining about the opponents but will do nothing when they clatter into you or strategically foul you. So, in those situations, do it strategically. Get DeJaegere at a more opportune time, maybe when challenging for a cross or some other sort of winnable 50:50. Get Dier to shuffle across and thump him in an innocent way when the ref's eyes are diverted. Do what Lamela did and step on his hand while walking around, *purely* unintentionally.

Don't let DeJaegere and his team-mates dominate all the dark arts and game management because the ref is a paid-off turdstain. Do it yourself, but more intelligently.

I wonder if Poch will "officially" assign someone to help Dele in such situations. After the sixth unpunished clunker, move Dele to the other side and send Wanyama or Dier over to give some back and also let it be known that this sort of thing will continue. Cnuts.

 

[thfcsteff]

He'll be a marked man now as well. A target for the wind up merchants and refs keeping an extra eye on him.

He has been that all season and been fine!


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[metalgear]

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[glasgowspur]

Pretty much. A significant portion of my sympathy comes from having been in similar situations as a goalie - I was (and am) quite slight for a keeper, and never quite hit the 6' 0" mark in terms of height, either, so I got roughed around a lot by blockhouse forwards who would leave the boot in and steam into frankly unnecessary challenges just to set a precedent for a future attempt to knock the ball out of my hands in a corner situation or when I came out to collect a cross. They played the ref - if he gave too many things in my favor, he'd look like he was protecting the goalkeeper too much, so they'd get a lot of obvious fouls out of the way early so that in the significant moments, they could challenge wildly for the ball and reasonably expect the ref to think 'well, I've already given a lot of fouls in that keeper's favor, best let that one stand'.

I got enormously angry when I saw how the refs were getting played by these guys game after game - I even pointed it out to them time and again, but refs are an unusually blinkered lot in any country, anywhere, so I just got brushed off. Can you imagine, then, how it felt for Alli, who was getting the s*it slyly kicked out of him for the entirety of the game leading up to that moment, and had just been clearly cleared out again by a gleeful opponent who knew that the ref (standing right in front of him) wouldn't give jack sh*t because he had a Gent top on under his disgracefully-obtained ref's shirt?

For me, I got sent off once after I kicked out at a forward who'd just thundered into my ankles early on in a game looong after I'd picked up the ball he was running onto. He was trying the same thing he'd tried in earlier games - this time, he got studs in the stomach for his troubles. I got sent off, our team lost, I was dropped for a long while - it felt horrible.

I agree that Alli was stupid, that he plays at an (enormously) higher level and should know better, that he could have been more strategic. But I don't blame him at all, because when you have a ref as a c*ntish as the one who pretended to do the job yesterday, seeing red after realizing that the c*nt who just cleaned you out was probably laughing in his head at how one-sided this ref was seems like an eminently human, understandable thing.

In the future, do it more strategically - it's all I ask. If the ref is as c*ntish as this and your opponents realize it, you're effectively on your own out there - worse still, you may actually be at a disadvantage, because the ref will dish out yellow cards to you and your team for complaining about the opponents but will do nothing when they clatter into you or strategically foul you. So, in those situations, do it strategically. Get DeJaegere at a more opportune time, maybe when challenging for a cross or some other sort of winnable 50:50. Get Dier to shuffle across and thump him in an innocent way when the ref's eyes are diverted. Do what Lamela did and step on his hand while walking around, *purely* unintentionally.

Don't let DeJaegere and his team-mates dominate all the dark arts and game management because the ref is a paid-off turdstain. Do it yourself, but more intelligently.

It all makes sense now, by defending Dele you are justifying your rash actions.
I've seen and played enough amateur football to know there's loads of weekend warrior aresholes out to get there own back on the world.
Dele is playing at a level that is unrecognizable from that level. He is a role model and anything he does on the field gives clowns that you are talking instant justification for their actions.

I'm not convinced the tackle before was even a foul, but he certainly wasn't cleaned out. But maybe if he hadn't earned a reputation for going down to easy and making a meal of it he would have a foul.

 

[Rorschach]

He was stupid. A rash red blooded tackle that cost us. The impetuousness of youth and all that. Danny Rose did one once and learned from it (it runs in the family apparently -> clicky) In fact it may have been a seminal moment in Rose's footballing career. If Alli learns the same lesson then perversely it may have been worth it.

 

[DubaiSpur]

It all makes sense now, by defending Dele you are justifying your rash actions.
I've seen and played enough amateur football to know there's loads of weekend warrior aresholes out to get there own back on the world.
Dele is playing at a level that is unrecognizable from that level. He is a role model and anything he does on the field gives clowns that you are talking instant justification for their actions.

Mate, I said I was stupid, and I felt horrible afterwards. We lost, and I was out of the side for a long while after that - deservedly so (although it rarely made much difference, as we were usually mid-table most seasons back then). I'm not particularly justifying anything. And I also mentioned that there's no comparison between my intramural/rec league levels and the stratospheric level Dele's playing at.

But I maintain that what he did wasn't completely mindless or unexpected - I get why he snapped, and I firmly think Gent had it coming. I only wish it hadn't been at the expense of the team as a whole, which is where more strategic retribution comes in. And if we deal out enough strategic retribution, then maybe the sort of 'game management' Gent pulled off with the help of a corrupt ref won't fly when facing us anymore.

I'm not convinced the tackle before was even a foul, but he certainly wasn't cleaned out. But maybe if he hadn't earned a reputation for going down to easy and making a meal of it he would have a foul.

It definitely was a foul - in from behind, got almost none of the ball and sent Dele crashing to the ground. The third or fourth time that had happened in the first few half.

 

[Spur of the moment]

Yet the intent (IMO - as it's where my head would be at that point) was to make a point to the ref, a "Well if you're not giving fouls, then fudge it" response, rather than an intent to go and harm another player.

Don't be daft, he knew exactly he was doing.

It was not only deliberate but childish and cowardly. He needs to grow up.

 

[scaramanga]

Don't be daft, he knew exactly he was doing.

It was not only deliberate but childish and cowardly. He needs to grow up.

If you think he went in with intent to injure the player then I suspect you're in a small minority.

It's also, considering everything we know about his character, far less likely than the alternatives. So you'll need some fairly convincing reasoning and/or new evidence to back that up.

 

[Spur of the moment]

If you think he went in with intent to injure the player then I suspect you're in a small minority.

It's also, considering everything we know about his character, far less likely than the alternatives. So you'll need some fairly convincing reasoning and/or new evidence to back that up.

It was a rush of blood but even in your maddest moments you make an instant calculation based on your own survival before going through with an act of revenge. Imagine someone enraged you in the street but just as you went to deck him he produced a knife. You hesitate. You don't go through with it because instantly you see the potential consequences, your very survival is at stake.

He had that same chance to consider whether to go through with his reckless tackle but calculated he would not come to physical harm himself. So what if he got himself sent off, he had his revenge, it was worth it.

 

[milo]

It was a rush of blood but even in your maddest moments you make an instant calculation based on your own survival before going through with an act of revenge. Imagine someone enraged you in the street but just as you went to deck him he produced a knife. You hesitate. You don't go through with it because instantly you see the potential consequences, your very survival is at stake.

He had that same chance to consider whether to go through with his reckless tackle but calculated he would not come to physical harm himself. So what if he got himself sent off, he had his revenge, it was worth it.

I don't think that there was time to think it through in such detail. It was an instinctive lashing out.

 

[Spur of the moment]

I don't think that there was time to think it through in such detail. It was an instinctive lashing out.

I struggle to see how you can excuse him on that basis. No matter what the provocation you always have time to choose your reaction. He had more than just a few seconds to think about what he was going to do before going through with it.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Don't be daft, he knew exactly he was doing.

It was not only deliberate but childish and cowardly. He needs to grow up.

If you think he went in with intent to injure the player then I suspect you're in a small minority.

It's also, considering everything we know about his character, far less likely than the alternatives. So you'll need some fairly convincing reasoning and/or new evidence to back that up.

I would suggest the issue with Dele was not his "intent" but rather his undeniable utter and total recklessness and methinks that the one is almost as bad as the other.

 

[milo]

I struggle to see how you can excuse him on that basis. No matter what the provocation you always have time to choose your reaction. He had more than just a few seconds to think about what he was going to do before going through with it.

I'm not excusing him, it was a rash challenge that deserved a red card. I just don't think that he had time to think through the full implications of what he was doing before he did it.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It was a red but how many other times this season has he deserved a red for a foul

I can't think of any off the top of my head

I've also seen plenty of similar challenges this season get red cards yet have very little press hype making them into a big deal

He made a mistake and got the deserved red card. It cost us and he knows it. He is learning but I don't expect this to be his last one either

 

[Spur of the moment]

I'm not excusing him, it was a rash challenge that deserved a red card. I just don't think that he had time to think through the full implications of what he was doing before he did it.

Apologies I shouldn't have suggested you were excusing him per se. And though I doubt his victim would agree I'll concede that in his rage he might not fully have understood the risk he was taking with the career of another professional.

But I still insist he had time as these things go to choose not to do it. And that for me is the bit that matters most.

 

[glasgowspur]

Mate, I said I was stupid, and I felt horrible afterwards. We lost, and I was out of the side for a long while after that - deservedly so (although it rarely made much difference, as we were usually mid-table most seasons back then). I'm not particularly justifying anything. And I also mentioned that there's no comparison between my intramural/rec league levels and the stratospheric level Dele's playing at.

But I maintain that what he did wasn't completely mindless or unexpected - I get why he snapped, and I firmly think Gent had it coming. I only wish it hadn't been at the expense of the team as a whole, which is where more strategic retribution comes in. And if we deal out enough strategic retribution, then maybe the sort of 'game management' Gent pulled off with the help of a corrupt ref won't fly when facing us anymore.



It definitely was a foul - in from behind, got almost none of the ball and sent Dele crashing to the ground. The third or fourth time that had happened in the first few half.

Dele is young and will hopefully realise that this is counter productive behaviour. If he does then I don't think there's a limit to what he can achieve.
I won't say I don't have a problem with him doing it, because I do. If it's a red mist moment and he learns from it, fine, let's all move on.
What I fail to comprehend is why some are saying it was justified or they enjoyed seeing.

I did enjoy diers tackle on hazard, he did deserve it.