Dear oh dear Ed Milliband, what a joke of a man !!!

[camspur]

Amazed at the result 50% BNP (Education,Economy), 25% UKIP (Law), 25% Conservative (Europe)

Going to try again on 4 other subjects.

 

[Notmegov]

Wow, i got 75% Green (Economy Education and Environment ) and 25% Labour ( Europe )

 

[scaramanga]

Amazed at the result 50% BNP (Education,Economy), 25% UKIP (Law), 25% Conservative (Europe)

Going to try again on 4 other subjects.

Wow, i got 75% Green (Economy Education and Environment ) and 25% Labour ( Europe )

I wouldn't be so surprised.

When you take individual policies away from the madness of fringe parties they generally sound very sensible. These parties have a massive advantage over the Conservatives and Labour as they're not required to detail the funding of their policies. So, for instance, the BNP or UKIP can suggest that they abolish all taxes without ever having to explain where the income to fund all their expenditure in improving healthcare and education would come from.

Labour can get away with being fairly inaccurate when they do this as they're not expected to be economically competent like the Conservatives are, but they still have to make some kind of attempt at balancing the books on their promises.

 

[Baleforce]

are you saying I won't get my own badger and free electricity if I vote green scara?

 

[AuroRaman]

I wouldn't be so surprised.

When you take individual policies away from the madness of fringe parties they generally sound very sensible. These parties have a massive advantage over the Conservatives and Labour as they're not required to detail the funding of their policies. So, for instance, the BNP or UKIP can suggest that they abolish all taxes without ever having to explain where the income to fund all their expenditure in improving healthcare and education would come from.

Labour can get away with being fairly inaccurate when they do this as they're not expected to be economically competent like the Conservatives are, but they still have to make some kind of attempt at balancing the books on their promises.

I thought this (haven't taken the test yet). Surely it's an unfair advantage here for the fringe parties in the sense that the average person will choose what sounds great as opposed to what is workable?

 

[Yossarian]

I thought this (haven't taken the test yet). Surely it's an unfair advantage here for the fringe parties in the sense that the average person will choose what sounds great as opposed to what is workable?

It is an unfair advantage and makes the whole exercise worthless.

 

[DTA]

http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/select

On the subject of voting for policies rather than people, the above link is worth a clicky. Choose 6 subjects (I.e. Crime, environment, economy, immigration etc) and you will then be presented with a number of policies from all of the main political parties (including Greens and UKIP), but won't be told which policies belong to which party.

I was surprised to find the results showed me to be 25% Tory. I always knew I was a bit of a ****er, but it still hurts to see it confirmed on screen.

50% Tory 25% lib dems 25% labour .... I'm a Tory.... How did that happen?

 

[Robspur12]

Anyone who thinks that clearly hasn't thought it through properly.

I assume you have a pension? When Labour fvck the economy, a large proportion will be invested in the UK and go to crap. You buy stuff right? Some from the UK? Increased minimum wage and benefits will bump inflation and make everything cost more. Your employer would pay you more to keep up with inflation but unfortunately Labour's increased business taxes and support of unions have squeezed all the spare money out of your company.

Don't worry though, with all the increase taxes, surely there's more for the government to spend on us? Unfortunately not. All that spending is likely to need lots of borrowing again - remember last time? Over time, that money available for spending will be eroded by interest - probably at a higher rate than otherwise due to the increased risk.

Planning on buying a bigger house at any point? Labour and their penchant for expanding the economy on the back of house prices are likely to make the gap between the value of your house and the next one up insurmountably large.

There's plenty more, but I'm a bottle of wine down and I've switched my brain off for the weekend. Suffice it to say though, no matter what your earnings, a Labour government will fvck you.

Yes Labour will **** you

Just like they and the liberals ****ed millions of poor and working class people by giving them:-

State Pension
Free Education
National Health Service
Welfare State
Social Housing.
Raft of Equality legislation
Human Rights protection
Minimum wage

When your family originate from a Country where none of these things exist you learn to appreciate them and realise that GB whilst not perfect is a great place to live. Unfortunately too many people who have benefited from the above forget about these things when they get a little money behind them. Tories have opposed all.

That said Labour are far from perfect and tend to go too far in making aspiration seem a crime and making the state apparatus too big. We must have a fair taxation system that incentivises hard work and I find it immoral to pay 40% tax on items I have already paid tax on to pass on to my children.

The mansion tax a political gimmick - rather we need to look at the broken Council tax system where the million pound property owners of Central London pay less than those in cheaper properties.

So the 2 main parties are far from perfect but seeing as the Tories are generally a party for the angry, xenophobic and selfish, I know who I wouldn't vote for.

 

[ShelfLife]

Yes Labour will **** you

Just like they and the liberals ****ed millions of poor and working class people by giving them:-

State Pension
Free Education
National Health Service
Welfare State
Social Housing.
Raft of Equality legislation
Human Rights protection
Minimum wage

When your family originate from a Country where none of these things exist you learn to appreciate them and realise that GB whilst not perfect is a great place to live. Unfortunately too many people who have benefited from the above forget about these things when they get a little money behind them. Tories have opposed all.

That said Labour are far from perfect and tend to go too far in making aspiration seem a crime and making the state apparatus too big. We must have a fair taxation system that incentivises hard work and I find it immoral to pay 40% tax on items I have already paid tax on to pass on to my children.

The mansion tax a political gimmick - rather we need to look at the broken Council tax system where the million pound property owners of Central London pay less than those in cheaper properties.

So the 2 main parties are far from perfect but seeing as the Tories are generally a party for the angry, xenophobic and selfish, I know who I wouldn't vote for.

See that's just it. Labour was built on pretty noble ideals, even if the more recent incarnations have drifted from these principles (wildly drifted in certain cases). The Tories, despite the odd good egg, at their core, will do well to ever truly shake off the air of priggish elitism . While some may question the leadership credentials of Miliband (and fairly so), let's not forget that despite the dire economical situation the country was in at the back-end of Labour's reign, the Conservarives, under Cameron, still couldn't achieve a clear majority in the previous election.

 

[the dza]

See that's just it. Labour was built on pretty noble ideals, even if the more recent incarnations have drifted from these principles (wildly drifted in certain cases). The Tories, despite the odd good egg, at their core, will do well to ever truly shake off the air of priggish elitism . While some may question the leadership credentials of Miliband (and fairly so), let's not forget that despite the dire economical situation the country was in at the back-end of Labour's reign, the Conservarives, under Cameron, still couldn't achieve a clear majority in the previous election.

At some point, you'd think more will be made of the problems in the Tory party -- they are shrinking, possibly dying, splitting off to UKIP...and haven't won a majority since John Major...very unlikely to win a majority at the next election as well.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

At some point, you'd think more will be made of the problems in the Tory party -- they are shrinking, possibly dying, splitting off to UKIP...and haven't won a majority since John Major...very unlikely to win a majority at the next election as well.

Quite right,no win since 1992. That is pretty embarrassing for the establishment.

Labour and proud. We are not perfect by any means. However most of the things that we can be most proud of in this country were brought about through people who sympathised with our values and ideals.

 

[Robspur12]

Quite right,no win since 1992. That is pretty embarrassing for the establishment.

Labour and proud. We are not perfect by any means. However most of the things that we can be most proud of in this country were brought about through people who sympathised with our values and ideals.

But Labour are far from perfect mate, Miliband and Balls need to stop coming across as anti aspiration. They must also make tough decisions on tax rather than political gimmicks such as Mansion tax. We also have a lot to answer for on PFI deals which are bankrupting the NHS. Iraq and Afghanistan also seemed a pointless waste of our soldiers' lives. That said every one hammers Blair on Iraq but have let the Coalition off scott free over their handling of Libya which is going to have far reaching affects on our national security imo when it becomes a rogue state like Somalia. Personally I do not see Miliband as leadership material and the Party should get rid or risk humiliation next May.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

But Labour are far from perfect mate, Miliband and Balls need to stop coming across as anti aspiration. They must also make tough decisions on tax rather than political gimmicks such as Mansion tax. We also have a lot to answer for on PFI deals which are bankrupting the NHS. Iraq and Afghanistan also seemed a pointless waste of our soldiers' lives. That said every one hammers Blair on Iraq but have let the Coalition off scott free over their handling of Libya which are going to have far reaching affects on our national security imo. Personally I do not see Miliband as leadership material and the Party should get rid or risk humiliation next May.

I agree with everything you have to say about Blair. I shared almost nothing in common politically with the man.

As for being anti aspiration. I do not thing it is anti aspiration for those who do well to give a little bit more back. Also aspiration has become a euphemism for wealthy. There are plenty of things to be aspire towards.We should aspire to end homelessness or at least limit it as much as we can. We should aspire to pay wages that people can live on without them needing to be topped up by the taxpayer. We should aspire to a country that is at the forefront of scientific and creative breakthroughs. We should aspire for a banking system that will never have to be bailed out by the taxpayer.

We should not be aspiration,we should be anti those that wish to take vast amounts from that state without giving anything back.

 

[Robspur12]

I agree with everything you have to say about Blair. I shared almost nothing in common politically with the man.

As for being anti aspiration. I do not thing it is anti aspiration for those who do well to give a little bit more back. Also aspiration has become a euphemism for wealthy. There are plenty of things to be aspire towards.We should aspire to end homelessness or at least limit it as much as we can. We should aspire to pay wages that people can live on without them needing to be topped up by the taxpayer. We should aspire to a country that is at the forefront of scientific and creative breakthroughs. We should aspire for a banking system that will never have to be bailed out by the taxpayer.

We should not be aspiration,we should be anti those that wish to take vast amounts from that state without giving anything back.

I agree with your second paragraph completely but I am also pragmatic enough to realise we need to be economically competent to achieve it. I am very proud to be a Labour man and I actually respected Tony Blair immensely. Take away Iraq and he did bring in some very brave socially responsible measures- minimum wage, human rights and working time legislation. Miliband and Balls were wrong to completely poison his legacy. I will always err on the side of Labour as a child of immigrants I am very grateful for the progressive society that they have done so much to create. People should not be fooled by UKIP or the Tories who would roll us back towards a very reactionary society.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

I agree with your second paragraph completely but I am also pragmatic enough to realise we need to be economically competent to achieve it. I am very proud to be a Labour man and I actually respected Tony Blair immensely. Take away Iraq and he did bring in some very brave socially responsible measures- minimum wage, human rights and working time legislation. Miliband and Balls were wrong to completely poison his legacy. I will always err on the side of Labour as a child of immigrants I am very grateful for the progressive society that they have done so much to create.

He also did some hugely regressive social policy moves. Look at how he continued with the anti trade union laws { Scara will love this,but still call him a Trot lol} his attempt to bring in 90 days detention without charge,his privatization of the NHS,his introduction of tuition feeds and his continuation of Thatcher's dream of a city centric,economic policy at the expense of manufacturing.

All these count against him in my opinion. Of course we need to be economically competent. However for myself economic competence is based on an economy that works for the many not for the few.

As for Miliband I am not totally convinced. However just as with Poch we have picked the man,and I will back him. We have nothing to be afraid of from the Tories. They are a party that simply do not know how to win elections. If we dare to believe,we can win this.

After all,to dare is to do.

Oh and **** Ed Balls.

 

[Robspur12]

He also did some hugely regressive social policy moves. Look at how he continued with the anti trade union laws { Scara will love this,but still call him a Trot lol} his attempt to bring in 90 days detention without charge,his privatization of the NHS,his introduction of tuition feeds and his continuation of Thatcher's dream of a city centric,economic policy at the expense of manufacturing.

All these count against him in my opinion. Of course we need to be economically competent. However for myself economic competence is based on an economy that works for the many not for the few.

Unfortunately mate to get a Labour Government in power, so we can bring in those progressive measures, we need to appeal to those beyond our core vote, Blair may have gone too far but he won us 3 elections. Tuition fees were introduced but they were not as punitive as the £9000 disgrace this lot have put in place. Having worked in the NHS I have seen some private services such as catering which are better than in house and vice versus so as long as the services are good quality and remain free at the point of care I would not be fussed who delivers the service. However the PFI deals were a disgrace and I cannot defend them.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

Unfortunately mate to get a Labour Government in power, so we can bring in those progressive measures, we need to appeal to those beyond our core vote, Blair may have gone too far but he won us 3 elections. Tuition fees were introduced but they were not as punitive as the £9000 disgrace this lot have put in place. Having worked in the NHS I have seen some private services such as catering which are better than in house and vice versus so as long as the services are good quality and remain free at the point of care I would not be fussed who delivers the service. However the PFI deals were a disgrace and I cannot defend them.

For me it is the fact that the profit motive will then be at the heart of the health service. For me at least this is a problem.

Yes he did win three elections. You can't not take that away from him. However I have never been in politics to win at all costs. I want my victories to actually mean something.

I will however be out tomorrow knocking on doors and I do every weekend to stop any chance of a Tory victory. If any of you happen to live in Ilford North you may have the dubious pleasure of me knocking on your door at some point people.

 

[scaramanga]

As for being anti aspiration. I do not thing it is anti aspiration for those who do well to give a little bit more back.

If the successful were only being asked to give a little more back there wouldn't be a problem. As it is, the successful already give a lot more back and, under Labour, would almost certainly be asked to give even more.

It's very easy to keep asking for just a little more, but imagine there had never been a tax system before. Now imagine that someone came up with the idea that the government takes 40% of everything someone earns - the idea would seem preposterous. Yet that's where we are, and Labour want to take even more than that.

All of this is out of the pockets of people who are absolutely not rich - comfortable maybe, but not people with anything spare after all the costs of modern living.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

If the successful were only being asked to give a little more back there wouldn't be a problem. As it is, the successful already give a lot more back and, under Labour, would almost certainly be asked to give even more.

It's very easy to keep asking for just a little more, but imagine there had never been a tax system before. Now imagine that someone came up with the idea that the government takes 40% of everything someone earns - the idea would seem preposterous. Yet that's where we are, and Labour want to take even more than that.

All of this is out of the pockets of people who are absolutely not rich - comfortable maybe, but not people with anything spare after all the costs of modern living.

You could say the same of the labour market if it was started all today. Also if we are starting with a blank page,there would be no hospitals or schools,or police,or roads. People may well pay more than 40% to get those.

Anyway it is a thought experiment that bares no basis in reality. 50% is not a shocking left wing politics of envy position. After all the top rate of tax for the majority of your hero Mrs Thatcher's reign as prime minister was 60% was she a trot as well ?

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

What's all this crap about UKIP winning a bag of seats? Wishful thinking? They will play their part by stealing valuable votes from the 'born to rulers' in marginal seats. They will win about a dozen, but that is it.