Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Finney Is Back]

To a large degree, but when the occasional frustration in anything but the match thread is jumped on by the usual suspects, with often way over the top responses. I've never seen as many references to "worst post ever". But the exceptional guys here are better than elsewhere.

Thanks very much.

 

[parklane1]

Totally emotive unsubstantiated comment. It may have cost us points but no way of knowing if having another striker or any new players would have definitely guaranteed us more positive results than we had.

To much sense in that for some.

 

[Lost Mango]

I think you are being a tad disingenuous with your argument.
Being able to change the personnel so that you can bring on a different but decent striker, or have a proper defensive midfielder means you are more likely to score or not concede goals. Otherwise why would teams bother signing decent players at all? They would all just develop from their academies. As we know from recent Tottenham history small margins are critical. I can't blame Levy for haggling over the price because we can't just bend over to Jeremy Peace. My problem is how long it has taken to get this far. Why did it not start earlier in the summer. It's a shame because Daniel Levy is a fantastic chairman in so many ways.

I agree with all that and yes, I am being slightly disingenuous in hindsight I guess.

My point was more the posters who are claiming that we have lost points we never had or that it definitely cost us points. We have lost games/points against 'smaller' clubs with a full squad before even in the CL qualifying season. Everyone does.

I would have liked our dealings to be done earlier but not everything is in THFCs power to control and the various pops at the Club based on unsubstantiated and actually often proven-groundless ITK and whispering I find frustrating especially as the record stays the same no matter what comes out in the media, from the Club or what other posters on here say. There is a need to vent but I wish it was either humorous or built on something meaningful or true.

 

[parklane1]

Your on the wrong site to say anything against the current management and running of the club. Not allowed here or you'll be devoured. Everything is fine. Repeat everything is fine.

Not having that, valid points are always good its when some use the same arguments with out any REAL proof that it gets a bit tedious.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Isn't there a 20+ page thread on Daniel levy where there is at least as much criticism / slagging him off as there is praise / rationalizing? Not sure you're on the right site if you think criticism is not allowed?

 

[billyiddo]

Isn't there a 20+ page thread on Daniel levy where there is at least as much criticism / slagging him off as there is praise / rationalizing? Not sure you're on the right site if you think criticism is not allowed?

What he means is; you are on the wrong site if you expect to not have your opinions challenged.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Until the league, the FA, and whoever else needs to, agree that the transfer window closes before the start of the season key 'big' signings will always, always run on into the first few games of the season. There's no point in complaining about it, just accept it.

 

[E3zzle]

Totally emotive unsubstantiated comment. It may have cost us points but no way of knowing if having another striker or any new players would have definitely guaranteed us more positive results than we had.

With this logic there is no point in signing players at all, because you can say the same about the entire season.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

With this logic there is no point in signing players at all, because you can say the same about the entire season.

I think you're missing the point that he is making. He's simply saying there are no guarantees, and he thinks the criticism to the club is unwarranted. He's not advocating that we don't need to sign any players because they won't make a difference.

My point was more the posters who are claiming that we have lost points we never had or that it definitely cost us points. We have lost games/points against 'smaller' clubs with a full squad before even in the CL qualifying season. Everyone does.

I would have liked our dealings to be done earlier but not everything is in THFCs power to control and the various pops at the Club based on unsubstantiated and actually often proven-groundless ITK and whispering I find frustrating especially as the record stays the same no matter what comes out in the media, from the Club or what other posters on here say. There is a need to vent but I wish it was either humorous or built on something meaningful or true.

 

[E3zzle]

Totally emotive unsubstantiated comment. It may have cost us points but no way of knowing if having another striker or any new players would have definitely guaranteed us more positive results than we had.

Let's look back at the last five seasons:

10/11:
We had CL money, but waited until deadline day to make a marquee signing (VDV). We had four points in three games before the window closed, including a home defeat to wigan.

11/12:
We made our key signing (Parker) on deadline day. Before that we had zero points from two games, and had conceded eight goals.

12/13:
We made our three key signings (Dembele, Lloris and Dempsey) on the three final days of the window. We had two points in three easy games.

13/14:
Our key signing (Christian Eriksen) was made on august 30th. We had had sold all our players in this position. We actually started with two wins, but they were decided by lucky penalties, and we struggled to create any chances from open play.

14/15:
We made our key signings early, and started the season with two wins

15/16:
Well, you know the story...

I'd definately say there's a pattern here.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Let's look back at the last five seasons:

10/11:
We had CL money, but waited until deadline day to make a marquee signing (VDV). We had four points in three games before the window closed, including a home defeat to wigan.

11/12:
We made our key signing (Parker) on deadline day. Before that we had zero points from two games, and had conceded eight goals.

12/13:
We made our three key signings (Dembele, Lloris and Dempsey) on the three final days of the window. We had two points in three easy games.

13/14:
Our key signing (Christian Eriksen) was made on august 30th. We had had sold all our players in this position. We actually started with two wins, but they were decided by lucky penalties, and we struggled to create any chances from open play.

14/15:
We made our key signings early, and started the season with two wins

15/16:
Well, you know the story...

I'd definately say there's a pattern here.

Again, as I said above. Until the transfer window shuts before the season starts, this pattern will continue. Nothing to do with Levy or anyone else.

 

[billyiddo]

Let's look back at the last five seasons:

10/11:
We had CL money, but waited until deadline day to make a marquee signing (VDV). We had four points in three games before the window closed, including a home defeat to wigan.

11/12:
We made our key signing (Parker) on deadline day. Before that we had zero points from two games, and had conceded eight goals.

12/13:
We made our three key signings (Dembele, Lloris and Dempsey) on the three final days of the window. We had two points in three easy games.

13/14:
Our key signing (Christian Eriksen) was made on august 30th. We had had sold all our players in this position. We actually started with two wins, but they were decided by lucky penalties, and we struggled to create any chances from open play.

14/15:
We made our key signings early, and started the season with two wins

15/16:
Well, you know the story...

I'd definately say there's a pattern here.

I wonder how many points we would have lost/gained in the long run if we gave up on those deals early and moved on to other (lesser?) players?

 

[E3zzle]

I think you're missing the point that he is making. He's simply saying there are no guarantees, and he thinks the criticism to the club is unwarranted. He's not advocating that we don't need to sign any players because they won't make a difference.

My comment wasn't necessairly criticism of the club. I just pointed out the fact that our signings are not happening in time for whatever reason. It's costing us points and it's annoying. Maybe there's nothing the club can do, but it's still annoying.

 

[E3zzle]

I wonder how many points we would have lost/gained in the long run if we gave up on those deals early and moved on to other (lesser?) players?

Well, in some cases we did that. Dembele was not our primary target. VDV came out of thin air. We probably wouldn't have signed anyone if we didn't sign him. in the cases of Parker and Eriksen we had already sold players that needed replacement, and left ourselves short in the start of the season, which I also believe we are doing now..

 

[Finney Is Back]

Let's look back at the last five seasons:

10/11:
We had CL money, but waited until deadline day to make a marquee signing (VDV). We had four points in three games before the window closed, including a home defeat to wigan.

11/12:
We made our key signing (Parker) on deadline day. Before that we had zero points from two games, and had conceded eight goals.

12/13:
We made our three key signings (Dembele, Lloris and Dempsey) on the three final days of the window. We had two points in three easy games.

13/14:
Our key signing (Christian Eriksen) was made on august 30th. We had had sold all our players in this position. We actually started with two wins, but they were decided by lucky penalties, and we struggled to create any chances from open play.

14/15:
We made our key signings early, and started the season with two wins

15/16:
Well, you know the story...

I'd definately say there's a pattern here.

To take each of those in turn....

10/11. I would say that VDV was not available (especially not to us) until the last day of the window.

11/12. I think we could've got Parker earlier, but I don't think it would've altered either of the two results.

12/13. I think we missed out badly here and securing signings earlier would've been likely to have resulted in us winning more points. I think all three players could've been secured earlier in the window as well. I think in this instance not doing our business earlier probably cost us qualification for the CL in place of Arsenal.

13/14. I'm not sure that we could've done any better in that window really and I don't think signing Eriksen earlier would've made any positive difference to the start we had that season.

14/15. We did our business early, but as far as I remember none of the players we signed actually played in those early games - so I don't think you can link doing the business early to getting early wins?

15/16. I think we have probably missed out on 2 points (possibly more) so far this season by going into the season with only one striker. I think our initial move for Berahino should've been made earlier.

 

[Superhudd]

I think the problem is further highlighted this year because every man and his dog knew Adebayor would be moved on or out of any squad. A striker was priority alongside the defence, they have had lets be generous here and say they have had since May to get this sorted.. 4 months to buy a striker. I know they don't grow on trees and I know all transfers are difficult especially when the buyer consistently doesn't want to pay the asking price. Normally the situation is Levy holding the buyer to ransom.. telling everyone he isn't going anywhere we don't need a replacement... then bang off they go and we need a replacement.

The majority of the MB knew it would take 25m to get him..

And the biggest flimflam of all this.. if we want him.. why wait a week between bids. This WBA geezer has already turned over his royal flush FFS, but here's Levy trying to bluff his pair of three's still.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

To take each of those in turn....

10/11. I would say that VDV was not available (especially not to us) until the last day of the window.

11/12. I think we could've got Parker earlier, but I don't think it would've altered either of the two results.

12/13. I think we missed out badly here and securing signings earlier would've been likely to have resulted in us winning more points. I think all three players could've been secured earlier in the window as well. I think in this instance not doing our business earlier probably cost us qualification for the CL in place of Ar5ena1.

13/14. I'm not sure that we could've done any better in that window really and I don't think signing Eriksen earlier would've made any positive difference to the start we had that season.

14/15. We did our business early, but as far as I remember none of the players we signed actually played in those early games - so I don't think you can link doing the business early to getting early wins?

15/16. I think we have probably missed out on 2 points (possibly more) so far this season by going into the season with only one striker. I think our initial move for Berahino should've been made earlier.

I agree with all but one bit. I don't think Lloris would have made a difference. Even when we did sign him, it took an age for him to be bedded in by AVB. However, and I must stress this, we don't know why signings were not made earlier. In my mind Levy would only delay the signing of a player because it would/could result in a cheaper deal. That is perfectly reasonable in my book and in general is the way to go given we are out for long-term success. To pin the lack of qualification for CL solely on transfer activity is unfair. There are a number of errors made by the team/manager/fixture congestion that have a far greater bearing on the success of a season.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

I think the problem is further highlighted this year because every man and his dog knew Adebayor would be moved on or out of any squad. A striker was priority alongside the defence, they have had lets be generous here and say they have had since May to get this sorted.. 4 months to buy a striker. I know they don't grow on trees and I know all transfers are difficult especially when the buyer consistently doesn't want to pay the asking price. Normally the situation is Levy holding the buyer to ransom.. telling everyone he isn't going anywhere we don't need a replacement... then bang off they go and we need a replacement.

The majority of the MB knew it would take 25m to get him..

And the biggest hogwash of all this.. if we want him.. why wait a week between bids. This WBA geezer has already turned over his royal flush FFS, but here's Levy trying to bluff his pair of three's still.

Structured in what way, with what add-ons and with or without Fazio going the other way. The truth is we don't know if £25m was the deal they wanted. They could want £20 plus Fazio with all of it up front. If anyone is dragging this out it is WBA, not us. Putting in an offer for a player isn't simply sending a fax saying we'll give you £25m. The week between bids is probably because there was a lot of negotiation going on.

 

[SpursNorway]

Let's look back at the last five seasons:
Or you could say it like this:

10/11:
We had CL money, but waited until deadline day to make a marquee signing (VDV). We had four points in three games before the window closed, including a home defeat to wigan.
We should have killed Emirates Marketing Project in the first game at the Lane, but Joe Hart had his best game to date, and the game ended 0-0. I was there, I remember. We didnt have the CL money for sure before 25th of August. We were down 0-3 to Young Boys after 28 minutes in the first leg in Switzerland...

11/12:
We made our key signing (Parker) on deadline day. Before that we had zero points from two games, and had conceded eight goals.
We played United away and City home in the two first matches, and Luka was sulking. Levy didnt want to let him go, but everyone could see how the situation destroyed the teams performance. Yeah, maybe he could have sold him earlier...

12/13:
We made our three key signings (Dembele, Lloris and Dempsey) on the three final days of the window. We had two points in three easy games.
Easy to let out of the context that we signed Verts in July and Adebayor after the first game? Saudi Sportswashing Machine away hasnt been easy for us ever. We led the match against West Brom at the Lane till injury time...

13/14:
Our key signing (Christian Eriksen) was made on august 30th. We had had sold all our players in this position. We actually started with two wins, but they were decided by lucky penalties, and we struggled to create any chances from open play.
You perfectly forget to mention us being unlucky the season before, and the suddenly we were lucky against Crystal Palace and Swansea. My memory tells me we created more than enough to deserve the victory at Selhurst Park. Yeah, the penalty against Swansea was lucky, but we once more created enough to win the game.
By the way, did you then really see Eriksen as our key signing from the players we bought that summer?

14/15:
We made our key signings early, and started the season with two wins
Didnt we have some luck against West Ham in the first game of the season? We went down to ten men early, and West Ham missed a pen. Dier scored the winner in injury time...

15/16:
Well, you know the story...

I'd definately say there's a pattern here.

A perfect example of people creating their own truth without seeing both sides of the story IMO.

 

[Superhudd]

Structured in what way, with what add-ons and with or without Fazio going the other way. The truth is we don't know if £25m was the deal they wanted. They could want £20 plus Fazio with all of it up front. If anyone is dragging this out it is WBA, not us. Putting in an offer for a player isn't simply sending a fax saying we'll give you £25m. The week between bids is probably because there was a lot of negotiation going on.

We want the player.. send someone up there to get the deal made then. Absolute bull that it takes a week to negotiate. And absolutely although no surprise you think its WBA and not Levy at fault.