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Cycling thread

There are plenty of people in gyms all across the land who train, eat a certain way and take steroids just to look good on instagram/big whilst doing the door somewhere. They don't earn any money out of it, quite the opposite, it costs them money. And nobody outside of what they are doing gives a sh1t, no money/fame/glory awaits. And yet they do it anyway.

Then there are other people who go further, and get into bodybuilding...and will enter "natural" contests (where they are supposed to be drug free) and cheat to win a title that nobody outside of that little niche circle gives a toss about, again not making any money out of it.

It is in the mindset of humans to gain an edge, even for piddly stuff like the above. So it seems like common sense that in higher profile sports, where the fame/glory/money is much greater, a lot of the participants will do whatever it takes to win and lie their arses off about how they achieved it.

I say, let them do whatever they want, instead of giving them rules that they have to break in secret. They still have to put the work in riding the bike/lifting the weights/running the track etc etc.

Usain Bolt is a nice guy, charismatic etc. But if he ran the hundred meters no quicker than 10 seconds, nobody would give a sh1t about him. The people love him because he's a freak who destroyed world records and they always wanted to see him obliterate the competition. The viewing public have an insatiable need to watch the best ever, the biggest, fastest, toughest, undefeated, undisputed champions. And then they cry when it turns out the hero of the day got caught breaking an arbitrary rules that other people got away with breaking. Maybe he was always drug free, maybe he could cheat better than other sprinters. But I loved to watch him run anyway.

Just appreciate the best for what they do imo. Anyway, I will let you get back cycling now! :D
 
StephenH said:
What rules have been broken?
Trial by innuendo proves nothing.
When the "rules" are broken then you can act. Not before.
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"Trial by innuendo?"

You realise you sound like one of the American weirdo that would defend Armstrong to the dead back in the day.

I followed cycling since the last 80s. It was obvious something was up at Sky, same as US Postal. You don't just turn track cyclists into climbers overnight in their late 20s.
It would be like Tom Huddlestone turning into the fast player in the Premier League overnight.

Froome has been caught with a positive test.
Wiggins undoubtedly broken the WADA code for TUEs but WADA seem to have no interest in going after Sky. The only reason this has come to light was his TUEs being leaked by Russian hackers.

Anyway someone within Sky will spill the beans within the next 2 years. The likes of Wiggins and Shane Sutton are already fighting. Wait until the money starts drying up. Or doctor Freeman will finally make a statement instead of losing his medical licence.
 
the dza said:
There are plenty of people in gyms all across the land who train, eat a certain way and take steroids just to look good on instagram/big whilst doing the door somewhere. They don't earn any money out of it, quite the opposite, it costs them money. And nobody outside of what they are doing gives a sh1t, no money/fame/glory awaits. And yet they do it anyway.

Then there are other people who go further, and get into bodybuilding...and will enter "natural" contests (where they are supposed to be drug free) and cheat to win a title that nobody outside of that little niche circle gives a toss about, again not making any money out of it.

It is in the mindset of humans to gain an edge, even for piddly stuff like the above. So it seems like common sense that in higher profile sports, where the fame/glory/money is much greater, a lot of the participants will do whatever it takes to win and lie their arses off about how they achieved it.

I say, let them do whatever they want, instead of giving them rules that they have to break in secret. They still have to put the work in riding the bike/lifting the weights/running the track etc etc.

Usain Bolt is a nice guy, charismatic etc. But if he ran the hundred meters no quicker than 10 seconds, nobody would give a sh1t about him. The people love him because he's a freak who destroyed world records and they always wanted to see him obliterate the competition. The viewing public have an insatiable need to watch the best ever, the biggest, fastest, toughest, undefeated, undisputed champions. And then they cry when it turns out the hero of the day got caught breaking an arbitrary rules that other people got away with breaking. Maybe he was always drug free, maybe he could cheat better than other sprinters. But I loved to watch him run anyway.

Just appreciate the best for what they do imo. Anyway, I will let you get back cycling now! :D
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Nail on head, 'whatever it takes to win'. It's the nature of the beast. They wouldn't be winners otherwise. It's why we lament cheats win and 'nice guy' tottenham don't. And why we're doing better with players like Dele!
 
And 5 years on, JapaneseGardenLoverDanishCustardFreak will realise he's been wasting his time, watching druggies battle druggies in a monotonous duel day after day after day after day
 
Bullet said:
And 5 years on, JapaneseGardenLoverDanishCustardFreak will realise he's been wasting his time, watching druggies battle druggies in a monotonous duel day after day after day after day
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Whatever drugs are in use in cycling are in use in football too.
 
Yes, it's hard to imagine that the global sport with the most money is immune to the drug problem. The need for endurance running, sprint running, strength in the jump, quick recover between games, etc. are all things that could benefit from drugs. The scandals involving Juventus and Dutch players were quickly got forgotten. There was also the court order to destroy blood samples for footballers and tennis players associated with Fuentes (only the cyclists were named).

Then you have the best player in the world having human growth hormone treatment, paid for by a football club in exchange for moving to their youth system. True, a small child might have medical grounds for such a treatment, but an altruistic treatment wouldn't require family relocation.
 
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Bullet said:
And 5 years on, JapaneseGardenLoverDanishCustardFreak will realise he's been wasting his time, watching druggies battle druggies in a monotonous duel day after day after day after day
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It's been forever and a day in cycling. It's funny, as the discredit drugs brings to other sport affects the interest and viewing figures, when in cycling we keep on watching.
 
Watched it today and though I love him as he is Britain's greatest ever sportsmen I think it might be time for Cav to retire before he seriously hurts himself. He seems to have lost the ability to road race anymore without crashing.
 
Gaviria looked awesome in California think he is going to beat everyone in the sprints in the tour this summer.

I cycled a bit more then normal this week but the garden has taken a bit more of my time. Love cycling.
 
Interesting day in the Giro d'Italia. Froome has decided it is make or break time. Pink jersey leader Yates is broken and at least 17 minutes behind. Froome is pulling away and close to the race lead.
 
froome attacked 80k out.

Accepted cycling wisdom is if you attack that far out on a mountain stage your on something.

Sky wanted to save cycling, instead they destroyed it.
 
I read a lot of the time made up was on the descent? They are tested so much now I really doubt it, big amazing things do occasionally happen in sport.
 
P.D. said:
I read a lot of the time made up was on the descent? They are tested so much now I really doubt it, big amazing things do occasionally happen in sport.
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Froome is brick in the decent. Certainly far from the fastest of downhill cyclists!
 
Kandi1977 said:
Froome is brick in the decent. Certainly far from the fastest of downhill cyclists!
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That’s not true, he used to be, but now he is one of the best, certainly of the GC riders.

He had nothing to lose and went for it, Yates blew up and Dumoulin fudged up by waiting, had he gone with Froome he’d have won the Giro.

This is the sort of thing Merckx and Coppi used to do regularly and be lauded for, sadly any modern attempt is assumed to be “a Landis”. I admit that had certain other riders pulled it off I’d be suspicious, I’m not suspicious about Froome or Sky though.

With his outstanding AAF he’s being tested every single day, he’s also carrying extra power meters to provide more data to the managing bodies. However he is achieving his perfromance, it’s within the letter of the law.
 
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