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Mikey10 said:
UK cases today + 5,139 on this day last week.
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Unless she can see the future she couldn't have known that.

Again though we don't use daily case numbers to judge how many people have covid. She may have been talking about last fridays ons numbers. This is why the media have been so brick throughout. As have the idiots on twitter. They pick and choose which stats fit their narrative. Tbf i have been guilty.

It creates confussion and distrust. Which there are people out there whose job it is to amplify that distrust.

The ons figures are the gold standard of what is happening. Problem is they are a week out of date and also measured on a 7 day average. The symptom trzcker is up to date and matches well with the ons data.

The daily tests are not to tell how many people have it. They are there to tell a person if they have it and need to isolate. The amount of tests fluctuate. Where they are taken fluctuate. It doesn't test everyone. It can give you a general idea of how the trend is going but thats about it.

Today the symptom study had 69,299 which is a fall of about 3000 from yesterday. Total amount of people infected at the moment 1,105,850. Which is also falling.
 
Lilbaz said:
Having said that. Schools are back so we might see an uptick.
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Agree - although was told on here a couple of weeks ago that falling case numbers around half term had nothing to do with pupils being away from school. It was the end of the’exit wave’.
 
Mikey10 said:
Agree - although was told on here a couple of weeks ago that falling case numbers around half term had nothing to do with pupils being away from school. It was the end of the’exit wave’.
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Nobody knows what's going to happen. Everyone will have ideas and everyone will have some evidence to back their claims. Some moddelers have predicted numbers in the uk will fall to around 5k a day. Have they factored in lower levels of vitamin d, leading to a weaker immune system?

I dunno. At the moment, thankfully we seem on a downward trend in the number of cases. Hopefully that continues.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Football stadiums, theatres, schools and cinemas have all been open for months I.e. venues with large crowds of people and the case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths haven’t spiralled out of control.
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True. But we have waning vaccine efficacy. Less vit d from the sun, meaning lower immunity. Being inside more, with doors and windows shut meaning less air flow. It's why colds and flu are more seasonal.

I think the uk will be ok. We opened up when we did so that we didn't have a peak in winter. The boosters are also going well. Winter is the time of year when hospitals are normally at their busiest. Seasonal viruses, but also colder weather means higher bloodpressure, means more strokes, heart attacks etc... we're also seeing a downward trend in cases.

Some eu countries are different. Kept restrictions. Now they are seeing a surge in cases. China is battling to keep zero covid and doesn't seem to be working.
 
djp82 said:
There has been a lot of Doctors in the states who have been talking about Ivermectin .
Joe Rogan said he took it and got derided by the main stream media out there.

Clearly a money aspect involved. Pfizer sponsor TV shows and sports half times etc in the states. Drug company’s advertise on TV out there to.

Only reason I posted video was this guy has not been anti vaccine or conspiracy based on the pandemic. He does not seem to have an agenda or a narrative he’s pushing and has decided to speak about ivermectin. Speaking about it gets you ridiculed and written off as a nutter in the USA. Find it all bizarre
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Re Ivermectin: i think the reason a lot of effort goes into ridiculing any talk about ivermectin (and other treatments before that) is that the vaccine push/rollout/mandating can only be effective (in the eyes of government and big pharma) if you create a feeling that there is no alternative to having the vaccine if you want to avoid catching or dying of covid. The FDA, MHRA etc have only given 'emergency' or 'temporary' approval for the use and rollout of the vaccines.
If there are alternative treatments for covid-19, the situation and constant push for everyone to take the vaccine is then no longer justifiable because of an 'emergency' situation..

I have to say Dr J Campbell looks certain to get his channel removed etc as he's made quite a few recent videos that give focus on bad side effects from getting the covid vaccines, including having people speak out about their bad experiences. Along with his discussions about ivermectin, he will surely go the way of several others...
 
glorygloryeze said:
Re Ivermectin: i think the reason a lot of effort goes into ridiculing any talk about ivermectin (and other treatments before that) is that the vaccine push/rollout/mandating can only be effective (in the eyes of government and big pharma) if you create a feeling that there is no alternative to having the vaccine if you want to avoid catching or dying of covid. The FDA, MHRA etc have only given 'emergency' or 'temporary' approval for the use and rollout of the vaccines.
If there are alternative treatments for covid-19, the situation and constant push for everyone to take the vaccine is then no longer justifiable because of an 'emergency' situation..

I have to say Dr J Campbell looks certain to get his channel removed etc as he's made quite a few recent videos that give focus on bad side effects from getting the covid vaccines, including having people speak out about their bad experiences. Along with his discussions about ivermectin, he will surely go the way of several others...
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Also in america it's used for livestock. People were buying it over the counter and taking doses meant for cows and horses. With bad results.
 
Lilbaz said:
Also in america it's used for livestock. People were buying it over the counter and taking doses meant for cows and horses. With bad results.
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If Doctors are allowed to prescibe it in the right measurement doses, it has proven to be a massive game-changer. At least two states in India recently declared themselves 'Covid-free' after using Ivermectin for example. Plenty of Countries in Africa use Ivermectin too.

Some have taken the heavily pushed vaccine, also with VERY bad results, so...
 
glorygloryeze said:
If Doctors are allowed to prescibe it in the right measurement doses, it has proven to be a massive game-changer. At least two states in India recently declared themselves 'Covid-free' after using Ivermectin for example. Plenty of Countries in Africa use Ivermectin too.

Some have taken the heavily pushed vaccine, also with VERY bad results, so...
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Any peer reviewed papers on that?

Yes we know about the side effects of the vaccines. We've been over that.
 
Lilbaz said:
Any peer reviewed papers on that?

Yes we know about the side effects of the vaccines. We've been over that.
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In this time of scientific censorship, blackouts, threats of funding being pulled if you go against certain grains etc, what does 'peer-review' even mean now?
An American Doctor (Dr Pierre Kory) who had treated loads of his patients last winter with Ivermectin had his testimony to the US Senate taken down from Youtube due to 'misionformation' etc
Dr Tess Lawrie in the UK has been blacked out from, media here too; she has been begging the NHS to be able to use Ivermectin for months whilst also highlighting how many are being killed and maimed with the relentless vaccine rollout.

The information is out there if you are minded to look. I'll give you some snippets:

https://journals.lww.com/americanth...mectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

Written evidence submitted to Parliament by Dr Lawrie: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/36858/pdf/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Edit: Indian Ivermectin story: https://www.thedesertreview.com/new...cle_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html

Plus other: https://covid19criticalcare.com/ive...emiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/
 
glorygloryeze said:
In this time of scientific censorship, blackouts, threats of funding being pulled if you go against certain grains etc, what does 'peer-review' even mean now?
An American Doctor (Dr Pierre Kory) who had treated loads of his patients last winter with Ivermectin had his testimony to the US Senate taken down from Youtube due to 'misionformation' etc
Dr Tess Lawrie in the UK has been blacked out from, media here too; she has been begging the NHS to be able to use Ivermectin for months whilst also highlighting how many are being killed and maimed with the relentless vaccine rollout.

The information is out there if you are minded to look. I'll give you some snippets:

https://journals.lww.com/americanth...mectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

Written evidence submitted to Parliament by Dr Lawrie: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/36858/pdf/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Edit: Indian Ivermectin story: https://www.thedesertreview.com/new...cle_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html

Plus other: https://covid19criticalcare.com/ive...emiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/
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Thanks.

Question though. Netherlands are going back into lockdown. Germany and austria look likely they will follow. Why would they not use ivermectin if they thought it could work? Does big pharma rule the world now? Volkswagen in germany can't be too pleased with a lockdown, banks in the city of london neither. Exxonmobbil in the states would have lost huge amounts let alone airlines. China locked 30,000 people in their disney land for days for 1 case. They have 20 provinces locked down. Why are they not using it?
 
glorygloryeze said:
In this time of scientific censorship, blackouts, threats of funding being pulled if you go against certain grains etc, what does 'peer-review' even mean now?
An American Doctor (Dr Pierre Kory) who had treated loads of his patients last winter with Ivermectin had his testimony to the US Senate taken down from Youtube due to 'misionformation' etc
Dr Tess Lawrie in the UK has been blacked out from, media here too; she has been begging the NHS to be able to use Ivermectin for months whilst also highlighting how many are being killed and maimed with the relentless vaccine rollout.

The information is out there if you are minded to look. I'll give you some snippets:

https://journals.lww.com/americanth...mectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

Written evidence submitted to Parliament by Dr Lawrie: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/36858/pdf/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Edit: Indian Ivermectin story: https://www.thedesertreview.com/new...cle_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html

Plus other: https://covid19criticalcare.com/ive...emiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/
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I know you like having a dig at the vaccines. But you do realise we've all been vaccinated? That our friends and families have been vaccinated? That we're fine. What are you trying to convince us of? That we're all going to drop dead tomorrow?
 
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