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Coronavirus

Diamond Lights said:
I can only go on first hand accounts, my son's primary school is small and had two confirmed cases through most of this term. Final week of school, they've had almost 50% of kids in years 4-8 out with corona and obviously taking it home. The most worrying aspect is several kids were symptomatic, ill with fevers etc.
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The plural of anecdote isn't evidence ;)
 
Diamond Lights said:
Well that's what happens when you rooster up your response. The countries that fare best are those with successful testing and tracing. We gave out contracts to Tory chums instead. So people will have to deal with a fudged economy I'm afraid. It's already on its arse thanks to this lot. Can't now sit there and say "save the economy" especially after we voted for Bojo to deliver a brexit deal that's bad for the economy. Irony alert.


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Would you agree to the kind of tracing enforced by the more successful countries?

I don't think that's something that any government should be able to enforce upon anyone.
 
milo said:
I wonder if a decision may be made to prioritise vaccinating secondary school children because they appear to be one of main routes of transmission and opening schools should be a priority.
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It would make sense. I have a sibling who is in a leadership position at a secondary and the logistics of arranging the testing is scary but they are up for it. The kids have missed way too much school and I think the current flock of kids are going to be a year thick due to what they have been forced to miss. The impact of that will be seen for years. And it won't be positive.
 
LutonSpurs said:
It would make sense. I have a sibling who is in a leadership position at a secondary and the logistics of arranging the testing is scary but they are up for it. The kids have missed way too much school and I think the current flock of kids are going to be a year thick due to what they have been forced to miss. The impact of that will be seen for years. And it won't be positive.
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Assuming the Oxford/AZ vaccine is signed off in the next few days, it would be worth considering, particularly in tier four areas. Logistically, it would be quite easy too, schools are used to vaccinating pupils.
 
milo said:
Assuming the Oxford/AZ vaccine is signed off in the next few days, it would be worth considering, particularly in tier four areas. Logistically, it would be quite easy too, schools are used to vaccinating pupils.
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It has to be an option. My concern is the resourcing of health care professionals to do the administering. The PCR test doesn't need professionals. Giving doses of the vaccine will do.
 
LutonSpurs said:
It has to be an option. My concern is the resourcing of health care professionals to do the administering. The PCR test doesn't need professionals. Giving doses of the vaccine will do.
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It's a long time ago, but I seem to recall my entire year group receiving the TB vaccine in a day. There were two professionals there - one administering and one checking on those who had just received it.

That doesn't seem particularly onerous for something with that level of benefit.
 
scaramanga said:
It's a long time ago, but I seem to recall my entire year group receiving the TB vaccine in a day. There were two professionals there - one administering and one checking on those who had just received it.

That doesn't seem particularly onerous for something with that level of benefit.
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I hope it isn't. And mass vaccination will probably be more restrained by literal stock issues rather than resource. But with hospitals currently at capacity and Covid ripping through health care workers we may struggle for resource in today's world compared to back then when the NHS wasn't at peak capacity.
 
LutonSpurs said:
It has to be an option. My concern is the resourcing of health care professionals to do the administering. The PCR test doesn't need professionals. Giving doses of the vaccine will do.
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I don't know how advanced the plans are to use At Johns Ambulance, retired nurses and trainee nurses. You'd still need a few qualified nurses in case of any reactions.

I still think that it would be easier to do schools than many other environments.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I hope it isn't. And mass vaccination will probably be more restrained by literal stock issues rather than resource. But with hospitals currently at capacity and Covid ripping through health care workers we may struggle for resource in today's world compared to back then when the NHS wasn't at peak capacity.
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Hospitals at capacity appears to be a view that depends on which parts of the press you frequent.

Nightingale hospitals completely unused is the other end of the same truth.
 
milo said:
I don't know how advanced the plans are to use At Johns Ambulance, retired nurses and trainee nurses. You'd still need a few qualified nurses in case of any reactions.

I still think that it would be easier to do schools than many other environments.
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Just the logistics of getting people in and out of a vaccination centre makes schools a prime target IMO.
 
The issue with it is that school age pupils are not tending to have severe symptoms. I think that we would need to see more evidence of them being vectors for transmission to justify prioritising them.
 
milo said:
The issue with it is that school age pupils are not tending to have severe symptoms. I think that we would need to see more evidence of them being vectors for transmission to justify prioritising them.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the vaccine doesn't affect transmission - it only significantly impact when* you catch COVID.
It's to stop death, not stop transmission.

*Fair to say it's when, not if.
 
It would make it easier to reopen schools though if pupils and staff are vaccinated. The damage done by pupils missing school will be significant and it will have the biggest impact on pupils from poorer households.
 
I was talking to a biochemist mate last week and he mentioned to me that he thought it possible that the mutations on the new variant may make it less likely that people can get immunity from catching it.
 
milo said:
It would make it easier to reopen schools though if pupils and staff are vaccinated. The damage done by pupils missing school will be significant and it will have the biggest impact on pupils from poorer households.
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Seems sensible Milo. However, the priority list below covers about half the population: where would you place the new priority group in relation to the existing ones?

The current priority list is as follows and note that even those in group 5 won’t be jabbed until March according to that omni tool.

  1. residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
  2. all those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
  3. all those 75 years of age and over
  4. all those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
  5. all those 65 years of age and over
  6. all individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
  7. all those 60 years of age and over
  8. all those 55 years of age and over
  9. all those 50 years of age and over
 
johnola said:
Seems sensible Milo. However, the priority list below covers about half the population: where would you place the new priority group in relation to the existing ones?

The current priority list is as follows and note that even those in group 5 won’t be jabbed until March according to that omni tool.

  1. residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
  2. all those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
  3. all those 75 years of age and over
  4. all those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
  5. all those 65 years of age and over
  6. all individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
  7. all those 60 years of age and over
  8. all those 55 years of age and over
  9. all those 50 years of age and over
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I don't know, there are no easy choices but the Oxford/AZ vaccine helps a lot with supply and distribution issues. As @LutonSpurs says, the main issues then are availability of trained medical staff and logistics.
 
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