Coronavirus

[Legohamster]

Yet they're learning at the same pace of everyone else.

Yet here we are threatening a second national lockdown.

They dont seem to be learning.

 

[scaramanga]

I won't argue to the cometence of the civil service as I agree it needs ripping apart and rebuilding. But I am not sure policy mistakes are the civil services fault.

I think the policy is based on knowledge - they are learning as they go, like everyone else. I think they were wrong to start the lockdown and wrong to continue it. That said, Sunak's measures and the competency with which he got them working have been impressive. But the alternative was worse. The only other viable political party in this country wanted more lockdown, more govt interference in our lives, more damage to the economy and more of our money handed out to others.

The communication will normally come through the civil service. The govt will oversee that, but they only have what they have to work with.

 

[scaramanga]

Yet here we are threatening a second national lockdown.

They dont seem to be learning.

I suppose time will tell if this is the stick we're seeing in order to make people more careful or if it's a legitimate threat.

 

[LutonSpurs]

I think the policy is based on knowledge - they are learning as they go, like everyone else. I think they were wrong to start the lockdown and wrong to continue it. That said, Sunak's measures and the competency with which he got them working have been impressive. But the alternative was worse. The only other viable political party in this country wanted more lockdown, more govt interference in our lives, more damage to the economy and more of our money handed out to others.

The communication will normally come through the civil service. The govt will oversee that, but they only have what they have to work with.

I agree that I now, without supreme confidence, can say the lockdown was wrong. We should have shielded the vulnerable and left the rest with some social distancing measures. Also Sunak has played it well.

 

[scaramanga]

I agree that I now, without supreme confidence, can say the lockdown was wrong. We should have shielded the vulnerable and left the rest with some social distancing measures. Also Sunak has played it well.

Sunak has to be first in the queue for the next party leader. If not, something is severely wrong there.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Sunak has to be first in the queue for the next party leader. If not, something is severely wrong there.

It depends how he comes through the next period when the economy contracts.

 

[scaramanga]

It depends how he comes through the next period when the economy contracts.

A tax on jobs and entrepreneurs would be a bad start.

Some privatisation windfalls would be helpful.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

A tax on jobs and entrepreneurs would be a bad start.

Some privatisation windfalls would be helpful.

I like the idea of a uk sovereign fund supporting start ups out of university.

 

[Legohamster]

I suppose time will tell if this is the stick we're seeing in order to make people more careful or if it's a legitimate threat.

shouldn’t even be a stick tbh - just puts people in fear again.

 

[scaramanga]

shouldn’t even be a stick tbh - just puts people in fear again.

I agree, but once the precedent has been established of an authoritarian level of control, it will be very hard to get people to start deciding for themselves.

 

[Legohamster]

I agree that I now, without supreme confidence, can say the lockdown was wrong. We should have shielded the vulnerable and left the rest with some social distancing measures. Also Sunak has played it well.

welcome to the club, a badge is on its way to you.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Check out the echo chamber above.

 

[Legohamster]

I agree, but once the precedent has been established of an authoritarian level of control, it will be very hard to get people to start deciding for themselves.

people like this can’t be helped, let them sort themselves out.

 

[Legohamster]

Hopefully by then the laboratories will have sorted out a reliable standard for testing which accurately reflects the number of people who are actually infectious...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1299705092178956288

https://twitter.com/x/status/1302134788074156032

This was brought up months ago, of course these people were called cranks and Death bringers.

 

[LutonSpurs]

welcome to the club, a badge is on its way to you.

I still say the right decision at the time was lockdown. Hindsight is 20 20 bro.

 

[Diamond Lights]

Sunak has to be first in the queue for the next party leader. If not, something is severely wrong there.

I'll be amazed to see the day a person of colour is leading the Tories (and lesser extent Labour, but moreso Tories). This is the same party that just a couple of years ago was seriously considering Andrea Leadsom as PM, so clearly ability is a minute factor in the process.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I'll be amazed to see the day a person of colour is leading the Tories (and lesser extent Labour, but moreso Tories). This is the same party that just a couple of years ago was seriously considering Andrea Leadsom as PM, so clearly ability is a minute factor in the process.

I know some conservative party members and all of them white and all would back him. @scaramanga said it a while back. The party might have issues with black people but they actually really like asians particularly the hard working clean cut well educated type.

Stems from Thatchers time as leader when she made a big effort to woo them amongst her whole its is your talent not who you are thing. A lot from that generation brought into it.

 

[Diamond Lights]

I know some conservative party members and all of them white and all would back him. @scaramanga said it a while back. The party might have issues with black people but they actually really like asians particularly the hard working clean cut well educated type.

Stems from Thatchers time as leader when she made a big effort to woo them amongst her whole its is your talent not who you are thing. A lot from that generation bought into it.

Don't disagree, clearly Tories have done wonders attracting women (leaders) and prominent people of colour compared to Labour (and Libs) especially. I just can't see it happening. As an asian i don't care if Rishi gets the job, wouldn't make me vote for him any more/less than now anwyay. Policies matter more.

What i will say though, is fudge me, the current crop are brick.

 

[scaramanga]

I'll be amazed to see the day a person of colour is leading the Tories (and lesser extent Labour, but moreso Tories). This is the same party that just a couple of years ago was seriously considering Andrea Leadsom as PM, so clearly ability is a minute factor in the process.

I don't think there's a surplus of ability anywhere in the Commons right now.

But they can't (and didn't) ignore popularity. Sunak passed his first test with flying colours. If he can steer us through any kind of recovery without making taxes any more punitive than they are, then he's in a good place to be next.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

What i will say though, is fudge me, the current crop are brick.

I agree.