Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

[Muttley]

We have no cover at left back.

I just don't buy into this narrative. Reggie was frozen out by the manager, and in an injury crisis has stepped up just like he was always going to. Reggie was always the better option over Davies last summer for LB. Spence is another decent option, whilst VDV can shift over.

As I've said many times Ange's job is to work with the squad he is given between transfer windows. He is the one making it smaller, and it is this lack of attention to detail and / or stubbornness that could ultimately cost him his job.

I'm cool Reggie eventually being upgraded but this guy is at his peak and a £32m player doesn't just become a duffer.

 

[Muttley]

Forster, Whiteman, Davies, Regulion and Werner are all out if contract in June, so there's nothing active that needs doing with them, they are effectively gone. Girona may also take their option with Gil. So Solomon might be the only one we need to hawk around

You are right. The heavy lifting is done.

Even so, we still end up with about 30 players who will want to be in our first team squad. There is also a lot of quality there, and hopefully we'll get a couple more to make it look really stacked.

 

[Yiddo]

If he was to get sacked there is no way the club risk Mason for the rest of the season with us being so close to the relegation zone.

 

[glasgowspur]

Isn't that how you hire anyone? the best you can get at the time?

Re Iriola, I'd expect us to be in and stay in 4th-6th. He's got fudging Bournemouth at 8th after losing Solanke in the summer (19 goals last season). Can he push on? who knows but the club could probably do with a stable run at the moment.

This is part of where Spurs fans need to get over themselves, Nuno took Wolves to 7th, not good enough for us, any idiot could see he was out of his depth, I heard it all, what has he done with Forest? no fudging question the guy could have matched the result of the asshat before/after him with 0% of the toxicity, but hey, not good enough for Spurs. Can you imagine if we appointed Chelsea's manager when they did? fudging hell, meltdown ..

Saying 18 months is the tenure highlights how data can be say anything
- The average for the whole EPL is 2 years
- It ignores that when managers have been successful (Harry & Poch), it's easily more.

But was that who we really wanted?
We were forced into because of conte, I don't think we were really prepared for it, which is really quite damning all things considered.

Totally agree 100% on nuno.
Whenever we appoint a new manager I look at his record, look at what he has to deal with and set my expectations accordingly.
I knew he was never going to get a fair crack of whip here.
We were in a worse state than we were when we appointed ange, he had a mammoth task ahead of him, he had experience of not just PL but the PL with "difficult" owners and he was successful.
But he never got a chance.
Tbh that is the point I've been trying to make all along, want a new manager, fine, but don't think he is going to turn it around quickly, because IMHO it will be a minor miracle if does and a major miracle if they get the time to do it.
Since our last season at the Lane we have been in decline, that’s not going to be turned around in 18-24 months.

 

[glasgowspur]

Sarr Gray & Bergvall could absolutely cut it as a midfield - i think Pochettino (not wanting to open that debate but just a handy example of a manager that will work with young players) would have relished having those 3 as options ON TOP of Bentancur & Bissouma. He made a midfield of Mason & Bentaleb work, he made a midfield of Sissoko & Winks work - that is not a bad set of players at all by comparison. Fans are so quick to rubbish our players or talk them down just to protect a manager, I just don't get it.

Those players under Poch would have had Toby, Jan, walker and Hugo behind them, not dragusin, gray and kinsky/Forster.

 

[Muttley]

If he was to get sacked there is no way the club risk Mason for the rest of the season with us being so close to the relegation zone.

It's not just Mason now though. Matt Wells has stepped into the more senior role, and Lange is an ex coach. Rob Burch is a Spurs boy as well.

We'd probably just see Ange and Jedniak leave. I wouldn't be sure about Montgomery and Raimundo as I don't quite understand where there allegiances are. Wayne Burnett has decent stock at the club as well.

It's not like some of the other appointments where the manager leaves and they all go with him.

 

[billyiddo]

Those players under Poch would have had Toby, Jan, walker and Hugo behind them, not dragusin, gray and kinsky/Forster.

Then your point is one of injury numbers and not one of player quality.

 

[glasgowspur]

Then your point is one of injury numbers and not one of player quality.

Currently, yes.

 

[Mikey10]

If he was to get sacked there is no way the club risk Mason for the rest of the season with us being so close to the relegation zone.

I wish I shared your optimism on that.

 

[Raziel]

But was that who we really wanted?
We were forced into because of conte, I don't think we were really prepared for it, which is really quite damning all things considered.

Totally agree 100% on nuno.
Whenever we appoint a new manager I look at his record, look at what he has to deal with and set my expectations accordingly.
I knew he was never going to get a fair crack of whip here.
We were in a worse state than we were when we appointed ange, he had a mammoth task ahead of him, he had experience of not just PL but the PL with "difficult" owners and he was successful.
But he never got a chance.
Tbh that is the point I've been trying to make all along, want a new manager, fine, but don't think he is going to turn it around quickly, because IMHO it will be a minor miracle if does and a major miracle if they get the time to do it.
Since our last season at the Lane we have been in decline, that’s not going to be turned around in 18-24 months.

I think very rarely is there a manger/player that a club says "it's that person or bust", Ange was on the list, this first choice/second choice honestly smacks of people who don't hire top level talent. As someone who hires people, I do stack candidates by CV, but once I get to the actual interview the stacking goes out the door, and most companies interview multiple people and compare.

We have been in decline, and Nuno did get a worse job, but reality is we have spent the 4th most money in the league in the last 5 years, and while the squad has a few areas to build on, the deadwood has (mostly) been shifted, the rebuild mostly done and there is a very strong core of 18-25 year old players that could push the team forward in next 3 years. The turnaround is already here, the manager isn't executing.

I keep coming back to this
- Could the owners invest more? yes
- Are the injuries an important context? yes
- Are we sure another manager would get us 4th? no

That is very different from
- Is Ange underachieving with this squad? yes
- Can another manager do better? yes

I like Ange but if I really go through the results, the injuries, the full 18 months I can't come up with a good argument to why he still has a job outside of some broad "keep manager long = good" and some unsubstantiated idea that he brings something that will culturally improve the club in time.

 

[metalgear]

I've thought about it....the perfect manager is one who:
- is happy spending within budgets
- able to spot young talent, locally and abroad
- utilises talents with deliberate rotation
- plays attacking football, scores more than average
- plays he ball on the ground mainly , not afraid to hoof it high or win ugly
- preferably with Premier league and Champions League experience
- aspires to win things (but hasn't reached the bug time yet)
- not impatient to be chasing for honours
- shows promise as a younger manager

Is this list right? What else?

 

[glasgowspur]

I think very rarely is there a manger/player that a club says "it's that person or bust", Ange was on the list, this first choice/second choice honestly smacks of people who don't hire top level talent. As someone who hires people, I do stack candidates by CV, but once I get to the actual interview the stacking goes out the door, and most companies interview multiple people and compare.

We have been in decline, and Nuno did get a worse job, but reality is we have spent the 4th most money in the league in the last 5 years, and while the squad has a few areas to build on, the deadwood has (mostly) been shifted, the rebuild mostly done and there is a very strong core of 18-25 year old players that could push the team forward in next 3 years. The turnaround is already here, the manager isn't executing.

I keep coming back to this
- Could the owners invest more? yes
- Are the injuries an important context? yes
- Are we sure another manager would get us 4th? no

That is very different from
- Is Ange underachieving with this squad? yes
- Can another manager do better? yes

I like Ange but if I really go through the results, the injuries, the full 18 months I can't come up with a good argument to why he still has a job outside of some broad "keep manager long = good" and some unsubstantiated idea that he brings something that will culturally improve the club in time.

I can't argue with a lot that, most fits my own thoughts.
I'm not that keen on ange as a person, I don't dislike him, I just don't get the adulation he gets from some corners.
His attitude to football I do like, the attack minded stuff I love, OK he could be more practical and pragmatic at times, but by fudge when it works it's glorious.

 

[Baleforce]

I've thought about it....the perfect manager is one who:
- is happy spending within budgets
- able to spot young talent, locally and abroad
- utilises talents with deliberate rotation
- plays attacking football, scores more than average
- plays he ball on the ground mainly , not afraid to hoof it high or win ugly
- preferably with Premier league and Champions League experience
- aspires to win things (but hasn't reached the bug time yet)
- not impatient to be chasing for honours
- shows promise as a younger manager

Is this list right? What else?

thats... er... thats...

Poch

 

[Raziel]

I've thought about it....the perfect manager is one who:
- is happy spending within budgets
- able to spot young talent, locally and abroad
- utilises talents with deliberate rotation
- plays attacking football, scores more than average
- plays he ball on the ground mainly , not afraid to hoof it high or win ugly
- preferably with Premier league and Champions League experience
- aspires to win things (but hasn't reached the bug time yet)
- not impatient to be chasing for honours
- shows promise as a younger manager

Is this list right? What else?

- Doesn't need to spot talent (that's Lange's team), just needs to be trusting/willing to use the talent acquired by club
- I'd say, is a progressive/system manager with at least a little flexibility (I think Ange & Amorim will die by their systems)
- CL isn't important, Europa will suffice, ideally it's more the being in multiple competitions experience
- Don't be a clam, Spurs always needs uniting, being a divisive clam will always end in tears

 

[Daisuk]

If he was to get sacked there is no way the club risk Mason for the rest of the season with us being so close to the relegation zone.

Which is why we'll stick with him until summer, unless there's an absolute meltdown and we have to bring in Harry Redknapp or something.

 

[Muttley]

I've thought about it....the perfect manager is one who:
- is happy spending within budgets
- able to spot young talent, locally and abroad
- utilises talents with deliberate rotation
- plays attacking football, scores more than average
- plays he ball on the ground mainly , not afraid to hoof it high or win ugly
- preferably with Premier league and Champions League experience
- aspires to win things (but hasn't reached the bug time yet)
- not impatient to be chasing for honours
- shows promise as a younger manager

Is this list right? What else?

- Is thick skinned and can deal with the toxic media
- Has a plan A, B and C.....and not afraid to change things within the 90 mins
- Absolutely adores a clean sheet

 

[lurker of old]

Thick skinned, adores a clean sheet...step forward Sean Dyche......

 

[Daisuk]

I am beginning to ask myself who we logically could get in with us being us, and seemingly always finding new ways to brick the bed. Who would be up for the job? Everyone seems to fail at it for various reasons. Nagelsmann would be a dream, for instance, but no chance of that happening with us being in free fall and seemingly not being set up for success. Why would Iraola leave Bournemouth for us?

I don't know. Things are a bit gloomy now, but that's football, things fluctuate. Where are we this time next season? Maybe top of the Premier League or 10th in the Championship. I would say the former is more likely, of course. We'll be back!

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Thick skinned, adores a clean sheet...step forward Sean Dyche......

Think we should hire Dyche just for the second leg at Anfield to be honest. He'd keep us up too. No longer than that mind.

 

[metalgear]

the perfect manager is one who:
- is happy spending within budgets
- able to engage young talent, locally and abroad to convince them to join
- needs to be trusting/willing to use the talent acquired by club and utilises talents with deliberate rotation
- plays attacking football, scores more than average
- plays he ball on the ground mainly , not afraid to hoof it high or win ugly
- preferably with Premier league and Champions League experience
- aspires to win things (but hasn't reached the bug time yet)
- not impatient to be chasing for honours
- shows promise as a younger manager
- I'd say, is a progressive/system manager with at least a little flexibility
- CL isn't important, Europa will suffice, ideally it's more the being in multiple competitions experience
- Don't be a clam, Spurs always needs uniting, being a divisive clam will always end in tears
- Is thick skinned and can deal with the toxic media
- Has a plan A, B and C.....and not afraid to change things within the 90 mins
- Absolutely adores a clean sheet

Aside from NOT BEING A CLAM - Arteta fits the bill
Well stranger things have happened before, and we were rewarded by winning the League Cup

Ok unpopular opinion so who else? Iraola and Inzaghi ?