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Contingency planning : If Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

Bedfordspurs said:
Romero and VDV for a start
In a side that concedes posseison you need players who can win headers. Both are average (Romero) to poor (VDV) in the air
Kulu as CM may be another
And Solanke too. He is a pressing machine and again, in a team with a different focus he would be left on his own
We don’t really have wingers currently. We have a wide forward in Johnson which is also how I’d pitch Sonny but I think he is completely dead now
I think Porro would struggle in a normal defence too
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Why would we want to be a side that concedes possession? I get the point about winning headers, think Dragusin is better there and it was noticeable that Bentancur won quite a few in midfield for us against Wolves.

------------ Vic/? ------------------

Porro/Spence ---- Romero/Dragusin --- VDV/Davies ---- Udogie/?

--- Biss/Gray ---- Sarr/Bentancur

Johnson/Deki ---- Maddison/Bergvall ---- Son/Wilson

---------- Solanke/Richi

Lots depends on if you want the wingers to invert or stay wide, what is the patterns for creativity, etc.

But I look at that side and go

- Should finish no lower than 7th
- Richi, Biss, probably Maddison need upgrading
- Release Werner
- Backups required for GK, LB, RW (if you move Deki central)
- Vuskovich, Moore, Yang will provide some additional youth options

Assume your budget is 130M (pretty much what we have spent last two windows), you might even have a little more if you sold Richi, Biss, and got rid of Werner, Gil, Solomon (some scraps for last two). Porro & Romero would have a market for decent money if you felt they could be replaced.
- 50M-60M on a DM (assume you move on Biss)
- 20M on 2nd GK
- 30M on LCB/LB
- 30M-$50M on attacking forward RW/CF), assume you move Richi on and get 20M

That's a top 4-6 side.
 
Raziel said:
Why would we want to be a side that concedes possession? I get the point about winning headers, think Dragusin is better there and it was noticeable that Bentancur won quite a few in midfield for us against Wolves.

------------ Vic/? ------------------

Porro/Spence ---- Romero/Dragusin --- VDV/Davies ---- Udogie/?

--- Biss/Gray ---- Sarr/Bentancur

Johnson/Deki ---- Maddison/Bergvall ---- Son/Wilson

---------- Solanke/Richi

Lots depends on if you want the wingers to invert or stay wide, what is the patterns for creativity, etc.

But I look at that side and go

- Should finish no lower than 7th
- Richi, Biss, probably Maddison need upgrading
- Release Werner
- Backups required for GK, LB, RW (if you move Deki central)
- Vuskovich, Moore, Yang will provide some additional youth options

Assume your budget is 130M (pretty much what we have spent last two windows), you might even have a little more if you sold Richi, Biss, and got rid of Werner, Gil, Solomon (some scraps for last two). Porro & Romero would have a market for decent money if you felt they could be replaced.
- 50M-60M on a DM (assume you move on Biss)
- 20M on 2nd GK
- 30M on LCB/LB
- 30M-$50M on attacking forward RW/CF), assume you move Richi on and get 20M

That's a top 4-6 side.
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Ok
Describe how we play then?
We are a possesion heavy side that presses high when we don’t have the ball
What’s the alternative you are after?
That would help

And if we’re still a possession side and passing around at the back we would need to upgrade on Micky as he isn’t great with the ball for when we get get pressed

The squad you name above great… but hasnt been available for one game yet I believe
Not one including our first league game (because I assume Forster would be your ? For now)
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Bedfordspurs said:
Ok
Describe how we play then?
We are a possesion heavy side that presses high when we don’t have the ball
What’s the alternative you are after?
That would help

And if we’re still a possession side and passing around at the back we would need to upgrade on Micky as he isn’t great with the ball for when we get get pressed

The squad you name above great… but hasnt been available for one game yet I believe
Not one including our first league game (because I assume Forster would be your ? For now)
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I'm not the manager (thank fudge) but think

4-2-3-1
You can use either the FBs or the wide players for attack
You have two sitting, one of which will drop back to protect/add to CBs (again, not uncommon approach)
Still a pressing side but more willing to time it, press at right time, mid block when appropriate or managing game
You can compensate for a CB not being great pressed if there are alternatives, e.g. Romero or having someone like Bentancur and the FB's constantly showing as options.

Yes, I leveraged the full side because at some point we will have it and I believe the way we currently play is contributing to the issue. FWIW, we pretty much had that side (minus VDV) against Ipswich and lost.

There are still questions but again variations on the theme
- How do you create overloads (FBs?)
- Where does the creativity come from (Maddison type?)
- What are the patterns of attack

But they are lots of managers that play possession, don't leave massive gaps and use some variation of 4-2-3-1/4-3-3, I'd even argue fully fit this team could even play 3-5-2
 
Raziel said:
I'm not the manager (thank fudge) but think

4-2-3-1
You can use either the FBs or the wide players for attack
You have two sitting, one of which will drop back to protect/add to CBs (again, not uncommon approach)
Still a pressing side but more willing to time it, press at right time, mid block when appropriate or managing game
You can compensate for a CB not being great pressed if there are alternatives, e.g. Romero or having someone like Bentancur and the FB's constantly showing as options.

Yes, I leveraged the full side because at some point we will have it and I believe the way we currently play is contributing to the issue. FWIW, we pretty much had that side (minus VDV) against Ipswich and lost.

There are still questions but again variations on the theme
- How do you create overloads (FBs?)
- Where does the creativity come from (Maddison type?)
- What are the patterns of attack

But they are lots of managers that play possession, don't leave massive gaps and use some variation of 4-2-3-1/4-3-3, I'd even argue fully fit this team could even play 3-5-2
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In this league you need a lot of options for creativity
I actually think 3-5-2 would suit us brilliantly with the players we have when fit
 
Bedfordspurs said:
In this league you need a lot of options for creativity
I actually think 3-5-2 would suit us brilliantly with the players we have when fit
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So Amorim after his next 3 games? :rolleyes:

I'd agree, think Dragusin would fit better in back 3, it would give us better aerial cover, the 3 FBs all are suited.
 
Raziel said:
So Amorim after his next 3 games? :rolleyes:

I'd agree, think Dragusin would fit better in back 3, it would give us better aerial cover, the 3 FBs all are suited.
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Amorim is dealing with the hand he has and the issues at united are much deeper tooted
But with us I do think it suits the full back options
The CBS too (Romero played in a 3 as did drago in Italy)
Would mean you dont need an out an out DM
But we would need IMO more strikers
I’ve always liked that set up and it’s why I wouldn’t be adverse to someone like potter who has many ways of playing
 
I actually think this squad could play any system we want it to. More importantly, it has the versatility to play different tactical systems under the same manager as long as they are progressive, football playing systems.

Said this before but I don't fear changing managers for this very reason. If you were to throw those full-backs into orthodox positions or put three at the back or 2 up front (width from full-backs) etc we have the players. It would be a very quick adjustment period. We wouldn't need any squad overhaul.

I'm still not Ange out though. We just need to focus on the next iteration where we see 4 or 5 leave, bring in a couple of high quality players and keep progressing the younger players into the first team squad. Even if we don't get UEFA football, we need to get this squad constructed in a way that it slots in easy.
 
Muttley said:
I actually think this squad could play any system we want it to. More importantly, it has the versatility to play different tactical systems under the same manager as long as they are progressive, football playing systems.

Said this before but I don't fear changing managers for this very reason. If you were to throw those full-backs into orthodox positions or put three at the back or 2 up front (width from full-backs) etc we have the players. It would be a very quick adjustment period. We wouldn't need any squad overhaul.

I'm still not Ange out though. We just need to focus on the next iteration where we see 4 or 5 leave, bring in a couple of high quality players and keep progressing the younger players into the first team squad. Even if we don't get UEFA football, we need to get this squad constructed in a way that it slots in easy.
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I see what you did there…
 
glasgowspur said:
And the article below claims that the board have told ange they are behind him and will strengthen the squad in January.
The so called experts really have no shame have they.
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I wasn't interested in the article - only the quotes from the prospective Besiktas president.
Very odd to name us specifically if there is nothing in it.
But equally, people work in mysterious ways and Ange is an obvious target at the moment; so might just be a smokescreen for being turned down by his no.1 managerial target.
 
glasgowspur said:
And the article below claims that the board have told ange they are behind him and will strengthen the squad in January.
The so called experts really have no shame have they.
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If we are not looking at alternatives, someone isn’t doing their job properly.

Also, the vote of confidence might be the bit they are wrong about.
 
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