Climate Change

[SpiderSpurs]

Absolute biblical weather in Valencia at the moment. Yesterday it was Malaga and Albecete, and the day before it was a place called Alora. Coming to a town near you soon unfortunately.

Not climate.

 

[Rorschach]

Not climate.

Your point?

 

[SpiderSpurs]

Your point?

This is a climate change thread and you're waffling on about bad weather.

 

[Rorschach]

This is a climate change thread and you're waffling on about bad weather.

It is all weather mate when it happens. You do understand the link between the increase in heat and the amount of moisture in the atmosphere?

 

[greatwhitenorf]

First time I can remember Halloween night being so warm. Shirt sleeves weather. Normally here in Canada, you'd buy or create kids' costumes with room to get a winter jacket underneath. Wife and I closed up our cottage 250 km north of Toronto last week and it was warm enough to take a quick swim in the lake. Normally, this time of year we'd be seeing light dustings of snow or certainly heavy frost. I was in shorts and t-shirt last week.

Now, the warming weather is becoming so evident. Last year, the lake barely iced over. We have spent past winter weekends there and the ice would be close to two feet thick. There'd be a gathering of ice fishing huts and people would scoot around the lake on snowmobiles and quad bikes. Not now. Never had to worry about ticks in past years. Too cold in winter for them to survive. Now? We're starting to see them as birds and animals that never ventured that far north are routinely visiting there now.

 

[Bullet]

Not climate.

Of course it is, what a stupid comment. Climate change is the cause of these extreme weather events.

 

[Grays_1890]

First time I can remember Halloween night being so warm. Shirt sleeves weather. Normally here in Canada, you'd buy or create kids' costumes with room to get a winter jacket underneath. Wife and I closed up our cottage 250 km north of Toronto last week and it was warm enough to take a quick swim in the lake. Normally, this time of year we'd be seeing light dustings of snow or certainly heavy frost. I was in shorts and t-shirt last week.

Now, the warming weather is becoming so evident. Last year, the lake barely iced over. We have spent past winter weekends there and the ice would be close to two feet thick. There'd be a gathering of ice fishing huts and people would scoot around the lake on snowmobiles and quad bikes. Not now. Never had to worry about ticks in past years. Too cold in winter for them to survive. Now? We're starting to see them as birds and animals that never ventured that far north are routinely visiting there now.

Its funny you say that, I always link moments in the year to work events and conferences, so I was at one this week and thought exactly the same, end of Oct, Early Nov and I remember clients flying in and having to buy big jackets at Selfridges as it was freezing and it stayed till Jan/Feb....This week has been mild as hell, never been like this in my memory

Yes its Weather..........deal with it ha

 

[SkipRat]

Of course it is, what a stupid comment. Climate change is the cause of these extreme weather events.

Not quite, and that is not how it works.

You can't catagorically say it was climate change, these sorts of floods have always happened.

What climate change does is increase the potentional strength and frequency.

You cant say climate change was the cause, but it certainly may have had an influence.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Not quite, and that is not how it works.

You can't catagorically say it was climate change, these sorts of floods have always happened.

What climate change does is increase the potentional strength and frequency.

You cant say climate change was the cause, but it certainly may have had an influence.

Yeah, its 100 year floods happening every 5 years that are the issue.

I was listening to something recently saying it might be best to go back to older building materials like stone, as these are much more resiliant to flooding (let the water subside, then just brush out the mud), than newer materials that get completely destroyed

 

[SkipRat]

Yeah, its 100 year floods happening every 5 years that are the issue.

I was listening to something recently saying it might be best to go back to older building materials like stone, as these are much more resiliant to flooding (let the water subside, then just brush out the mud), than newer materials that get completely destroyed

My dad lived in the South of France, big thick stone walls, cool in the summer, warm in the winter.

Good proper house it was.

Like here, most modern houses are built from cheap sh*t.

Doesn't help.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Yeah, its 100 year floods happening every 5 years that are the issue.

I was listening to something recently saying it might be best to go back to older building materials like stone, as these are much more resiliant to flooding (let the water subside, then just brush out the mud), than newer materials that get completely destroyed

Oh my!....you're not suggesting getting rid of chipboard laminate flooring?!!

 

[SpiderSpurs]

Of course it is, what a stupid comment. Climate change is the cause of these extreme weather events.

Calm down.

 

[Lemonade Money]

Yeah, its 100 year floods happening every 5 years that are the issue.

I was listening to something recently saying it might be best to go back to older building materials like stone, as these are much more resiliant to flooding (let the water subside, then just brush out the mud), than newer materials that get completely destroyed

That's the last line of defense. You'd build above the 100 year flood level first, and avoid the water getting in at all.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

That's the last line of defense. You'd build above the 100 year flood level first, and avoid the water getting in at all.

Happening now in my area as part of planning strategic policy....brought a lot of house building to a stop as a consequence though.

 

[Gutter Boy]

That's the last line of defense. You'd build above the 100 year flood level first, and avoid the water getting in at all.

Neo-liberalism does not compute

 

[Dorothy]

The climate does change and we do pollute. We are of course not entirely to blame for the climate changing. Do we negatively contribute? Yes of course and it may get worse before it gets better.

 

[Rorschach]

The climate does change and we do pollute. We are of course not entirely to blame for the climate changing. Do we negatively contribute? Yes of course and it may get worse before it gets better.

It won't get better unfortunately. We're well passed the point where we can reverse the damage. We can only limit further damage but we are not even doing that. Emissions are still rising.

 

[SkipRat]

It won't get better unfortunately. We're well passed the point where we can reverse the damage. We can only limit further damage but we are not even doing that. Emissions are still rising.

If we stopped pumping CO2 into the atmosphere today, the tempurature would still continue to rise for 100-200 years more years until global tempuratures reach their new equalibrium.

But this is not gonna stop, permafrost is warming releading methane into the atmosphere at such a rate, that you can set light to ice.

What we have done is utterly f*cked this planet.

I feel sorry for the grand children of people today.

They ain't got a chance.

 

[Gutter Boy]

It won't get better unfortunately. We're well passed the point where we can reverse the damage. We can only limit further damage but we are not even doing that. Emissions are still rising.

It can happen if we don't hit a tipping point. The problem is no one knows where that is.

Using basalt as fertiliser can take CO2 out of the atmosphere (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65648361) and cause global cooling, just it will need huge scale roll-out and decades to achieve that.

 

[Dorothy]

So what do we make of the historic cooling and warming phases from history which in no way can be attributed to human activity? The Roman warm period for example?