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Rorschach said:
The current draw is high and may burn out a standard plug. You might get away with a few times (I did) but it is a fire risk.

edit: sorry I misunderstood your post. A house charger is well worth the investment.
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You understood me the first time, I was talking about a 3 pin plug.

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Lilbaz said:
Bit of achicken and egg situation at the moment. Companies won't want to install charging points if the are not many evs. People don't want to buy evs with few charging points. Government are giving it a nudge at the moment. May take while to get good coverage across the country though.
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There are a lot EVs and good subsidies too which makes it attractive to companies, but a lot of it has to go via local councils - who are always a mess.

I took an Uber last week. The fella was driving a full EV. There is no charger within 5 or so miles of his home he said. Yet he makes it work. His fuel bill is tiny. And he just parks up at fast chargers. He has to fight it out with Black Cabs charging too. It is his job so it makes sense his level of dedication to it, and it pays off. But I think 'charger wars' replicating the petrol pump stand offs could become a thing in a few years unless the infrastructure is massively upgraded. For these kinds of infrastructure projects, you kind of need a monopoly supplier who can invest knowing they will capture the market. And for me that should probably be state owned.
 
SpurMeUp said:
There are a lot EVs and good subsidies too which makes it attractive to companies, but a lot of it has to go via local councils - who are always a mess.

I took an Uber last week. The fella was driving a full EV. There is no charger within 5 or so miles of his home he said. Yet he makes it work. His fuel bill is tiny. And he just parks up at fast chargers. He has to fight it out with Black Cabs charging too. It is his job so it makes sense his level of dedication to it, and it pays off. But I think 'charger wars' replicating the petrol pump stand offs could become a thing in a few years unless the infrastructure is massively upgraded. For these kinds of infrastructure projects, you kind of need a monopoly supplier who can invest knowing they will capture the market. And for me that should probably be state owned.
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Possibly. It will be huge returns eventually. Unless people install chargers at home.

It will also be a huge loss in tax revenue to the government as people switch over.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Alternatively, we need to build a Hydrogen filling station infrastructure. At least then you know you can fill up.
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That infrastructure is already there, in the sense it just needs petrol pumps being converted. Start adding them in in place of the LPG ones that never got used.

Maybe it will be the same with EVs too, once a c.5 minute charge time is achieved. Just have people filling up at petrol stations as now, without worrying about rewiring the whole country.
 
P.D. said:
No I mean all phone bar Apple use the same charger now, same will happen with cars in time.
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They are already standardised. Except for Tesla, but they are now offering the standard one as an option in their charging stations, and possibly switching in their cars. Cars aren’t standard in the amount of wattage their batteries can take, though.
 
Charging apps and payment mechanisms, on the other hand, are a horrible mess. You can’t just put fifty pence pieces into a meter; you need to download an app which tries to inveigle you into a yearly subscription and then turns out not to recognise the charger anyway. That sector is as ripe for aggressive nationalisation as the railways were in the nineteenth century or monasteries in the fifteenth.
 
ShipOfGoldblum said:
Charging apps and payment mechanisms, on the other hand, are a horrible mess. You can’t just put fifty pence pieces into a meter; you need to download an app which tries to inveigle you into a yearly subscription and then turns out not to recognise the charger anyway. That sector is as ripe for aggressive nationalisation as the railways were in the nineteenth century or monasteries in the fifteenth.
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Similarly, I have 5 different car park payment apps on my phone. It's ridiculous.

What's a fifty pence piece, one of those olden days metal tokens used for bartering?
 
Baleforce said:
Similarly, I have 5 different car park payment apps on my phone. It's ridiculous.

What's a fifty pence piece, one of those olden days metal tokens used for bartering?
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With money it has to be collected. It has to be counted and it has to be taken to the bank. Which costs money. Why they can't do contactless payments though i don't know. Public transport manages it.
 
Notmegov said:
You understood me the first time, I was talking about a 3 pin plug.

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I burnt out a plug one night doing this before I got a dedicated charger. I was lucky the whole house didn't go up. I wouldn't recommend it as a long-term solution.
 
Gutter Boy said:
That infrastructure is already there, in the sense it just needs petrol pumps being converted. Start adding them in in place of the LPG ones that never got used.

Maybe it will be the same with EVs too, once a c.5 minute charge time is achieved. Just have people filling up at petrol stations as now, without worrying about rewiring the whole country.
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This will happen within the next couple of years or sooner for non-domestic chargers IMO. That's why I think hydrogen has missed the boat, for domestic cars at least. There will be a place for it but probably not under the bonnet of your car. Battery tech has got the jump and is well into the learning curve cycle now. In much the way PV panels efficiency and price are on step trajectories in the right direction, the same is happening with batteries.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ele...upercharger-ford-speed-time-2021-11?r=US&IR=T
 
SteveAWOL said:
Local council pamphlet crowing about a trial of wireless car charging which I didn’t know was a thing, sounds like a good idea…

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-n...ar-charging-is-ev-charging-without-cables-the
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Not a new technology. Been around since the 19th century (obviously not for cars, but is the same principle as charging your electric toothbrush). The problem is the gap, the bigger it is the more charge you lose. Obviously the car will have to have a certain clearance level from the floor. So could be expensive.
 
Lilbaz said:
Not a new technology. Been around since the 19th century (obviously not for cars, but is the same principle as charging your electric toothbrush). The problem is the gap, the bigger it is the more charge you lose. Obviously the car will have to have a certain clearance level from the floor. So could be expensive.
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Probably better to have lower cars that lift for speed bumps. It's better for drag and handling, plus that technogy already exists and is in use.
 
scaramanga said:
Probably better to have lower cars that lift for speed bumps. It's better for drag and handling, plus that technogy already exists and is in use.
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It exists and is in use, but as i said it could beexpensive to charge a vehichle with one. I know companies are working on ways to focus the electro magnetic field for greater efficiency. That will bring costs down.
 
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