Certain "shopping lists" in certain hotels around the world

[glorygloryeze]

This thread is inspired by this post in the Morgan Schneiderlin possible transfer discussion thread:
http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/morgan-schneiderlin.6588/page-65#post-702082

Followed up by this: http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/morgan-schneiderlin.6588/page-65#post-702083

I thought it could do with a thread all of its own, namely because i wonder:

- how do such 'shopping lists' not make gossip columns (or even football internet forums lol)
- surely the potential damage of reputation would mean that even someone seeing the list and then declining to 'buy' would make it far too risky for those still wishing to be 'celebrities'
- i have certainly heard from a previous colleague who had worked in the entertainment industry that there are two VERY well known alpha males who frequent the same person who has both types of genitals to offer - and they are married, so i now how such things can go on...but a list??

Discuss and open my eyes wider please!

 

[Baleforce]

how does this start, does the rich one blindly make an indecent proposal or does the star make their availability known somewhere in advance?

 

[scaramanga]

how does this start, does the rich one blindly make an indecent proposal or does the star make their availability known somewhere in advance?

Usually, pretty "celebrities" get comped into the bars at hotels like the Plaza in Paris or Whisky Mist. They are invited and drink for free because young, pretty, famous people make a bar popular and able to charge £20+ for a drink.

Bars in expensive hotels are also frequented by very rich people. The rest is perfectly natural and, I suspect, as old as the human race itself. Or at least for as long as we've ascribed value to items and used them for bartering.

I haven't spent much time there, but apparently Dubai and Vegas are less subtle about these things. That doesn't surprise me as wealth tends to be a bit more conspicuous in those places.

 

[NickTB]

It's a well known industry fact that a certain diminutive Aussie has an insatiable sexual appetite and loves nothing more than smashing down some high quality MDMA and shafting her dancers. I have this on extremely good authority from someone who's witnessed the after party shenanigans. It makes those rumours sound even more true.

 

[Superted]

I know her dealer when she visits this fair city.

 

[indianspur]

It's a well known industry fact that a certain diminutive Aussie has an insatiable sexual appetite and loves nothing more than smashing down some high quality MDMA and shafting her dancers. I have this on extremely good authority from someone who's witnessed the after party shenanigans. It makes those rumours sound even more true.

no need to name names, but are we talking about the lucky lucky lucky one?

im shocked if its is

 

[glorygloryeze]

It's a well known industry fact that a certain diminutive Aussie has an insatiable sexual appetite and loves nothing more than smashing down some high quality MDMA and shafting her dancers. I have this on extremely good authority from someone who's witnessed the after party shenanigans. It makes those rumours sound even more true.

I know her dealer when she visits this fair city.

Can i just clarify that the 'duminutive Aussie' you are referencing is NOT the one who has had multiple album hits and about ten years or so ago had a potentially life-changing diagnosis that was treated and recovered fully from?

 

[glorygloryeze]

Usually, pretty "celebrities" get comped into the bars at hotels like the Plaza in Paris or Whisky Mist. They are invited and drink for free because young, pretty, famous people make a bar popular and able to charge £20+ for a drink.

Bars in expensive hotels are also frequented by very rich people. The rest is perfectly natural and, I suspect, as old as the human race itself. Or at least for as long as we've ascribed value to items and used them for bartering.

I haven't spent much time there, but apparently Dubai and Vegas are less subtle about these things. That doesn't surprise me as wealth tends to be a bit more conspicuous in those places.

I think this all sounds very plausible, but i think this must be limited to the b/c/d list 'celebs' surely?

i can't see how the big A-list stars would need to go down these routes because
a) seeing as they are A-list they surely have the kind of income that would justify not needing the income from this method
b) it would be too risky to be exposed to a 'kiss-and-tell' by, say, an Oligarch who took part or one who knew of these goings-ons (from a colleague/associate) who took a dim moralistic view on it and wanted to put said A-list celeb through the gutter (perhaps as revenge for them not being part of their new advertising drive or some other marketing growth plan); and
c) surely A-Listers would be pimped FOR and not pimped out themselves?

 

[Superted]

Can i just clarify that the 'duminutive Aussie' you are referencing is NOT the one who has had multiple album hits and about ten years or so ago had a potentially life-changing diagnosis that was treated and recovered fully from?

The one I'm talking about, well it would probably be improper to name names on a night like this.

 

[Superted]

I think this all sounds very plausible, but i think this must be limited to the b/c/d list 'celebs' surely?

i can't see how the big A-list stars would need to go down these routes because
a) seeing as they are A-list they surely have the kind of income that would justify not needing the income from this method
b) it would be too risky to be exposed to a 'kiss-and-tell' by, say, an Oligarch who took part or one who knew of these goings-ons (from a colleague/associate) who took a dim moralistic view on it and wanted to put said A-list celeb through the gutter (perhaps as revenge for them not being part of their new advertising drive or some other marketing growth plan); and
c) surely A-Listers would be pimped FOR and not pimped out themselves?

Depends what you define A-List. Is Gwyneth Paltrow or Julia Roberts or Sandra Bullock on the list? Probably not. Is/was Tara Reid or Kim Kardashian? Probably someone along those lines.

You also need to consider what it takes for somewhat attractive and mildly talented women to secure roles. I've read a few stories & biographies in my day, in particular:

- Jenny McCarthy talking about how Steven Seagal wanted her to fudge him for the role on Under Siege. She said no, role went to playboy playmate/Baywatch actress Erika Eleniak. Join the dots.
- Biography of Joe Eszterhas called Hollywood Animal. He wrote Basic Instinct and Showgirls filth like that in the 90's. Basically said Sharon Stone would fudge anyone (including him from memory) to get a role.

These B/C/D list celebs aren't all that cashed up once all the pigs in the trough get their cut, and they have to pay for their lifestyle and image.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Depends what you define A-List. Is Gwyneth Paltrow or Julia Roberts or Sandra Bullock on the list? Probably not. Is/was Tara Reid or Kim Kardashian? Probably someone along those lines.

You also need to consider what it takes for somewhat attractive and mildly talented women to secure roles. I've read a few stories & biographies in my day, in particular:

- Jenny McCarthy talking about how Steven Seagal wanted her to fudge him for the role on Under Siege. She said no, role went to playboy playmate/Baywatch actress Erika Eleniak. Join the dots.
- Biography of Joe Eszterhas called Hollywood Animal. He wrote Basic Instinct and Showgirls filth like that in the 90's. Basically said Sharon Stone would fudge anyone (including him from memory) to get a role.

These B/C/D list celebs aren't all that cashed up once all the pigs in the trough get their cut, and they have to pay for their lifestyle and image.

Makes a lot of sense. The sad thing about all of that is that it would be quite hard imo to decipher who has become A-list because of who they fudged along the way up vs those who are A-list because they are just very good and talented...ah well..

 

[spasm]

feckin thread making me horny...

 

[NickTB]

Can i just clarify that the 'duminutive Aussie' you are referencing is NOT the one who has had multiple album hits and about ten years or so ago had a potentially life-changing diagnosis that was treated and recovered fully from?

The very same

 

[NickTB]

no need to name names, but are we talking about the lucky lucky lucky one?

im shocked if its is

Yes

 

[scaramanga]

I think this all sounds very plausible, but i think this must be limited to the b/c/d list 'celebs' surely?

i can't see how the big A-list stars would need to go down these routes because
a) seeing as they are A-list they surely have the kind of income that would justify not needing the income from this method
b) it would be too risky to be exposed to a 'kiss-and-tell' by, say, an Oligarch who took part or one who knew of these goings-ons (from a colleague/associate) who took a dim moralistic view on it and wanted to put said A-list celeb through the gutter (perhaps as revenge for them not being part of their new advertising drive or some other marketing growth plan); and
c) surely A-Listers would be pimped FOR and not pimped out themselves?

It's rarely anyone making decent money as it's not worth their while. Showbiz doesn't always pay as well as we would assume though.

Take a for instance:

Imagine you apply to a talent show with a big final payout contract. Except it turns out that the contract isn't the lump sum advance on sales that your regular artist gets (and you assumed was yours), instead you're on a salary. And that salary covers the amount you expected over a few years, not one. You're also forced to split that salary with other artists you hadn't realised you'd be sharing it with.

Your management company (or owners) insist on your attendance to a number of high profile events, many of which have charity auctions and donations. Not only do you have to make sizable donations so as not to appear tight, your owners have also allocated a fairly measly clothing and transport budget. You have to arrive to these event by limo (often picked up from somewhere nearby - rest of the transport at your own cost) and can never wear the same clothes twice.

Using your new found fame and looks to earn in a night as much as you earn in a year suddenly begins to sound quite tempting.

As for actresses in the US, that's the way things have been set up for years. Girls in Hollywood have always slept their way into the industry - what's the difference between sleeping with someone for a role and sleeping with someone for money?

 

[Superted]

I once met a guy who was the accountant for Home & Away. He said he made more money than most of the actors, but Scara's right, they have to look the part. You wouldn't want the paparazzi taking photos of you buying some trackies from K-Mart.

 

[glorygloryeze]

It's rarely anyone making decent money as it's not worth their while. Showbiz doesn't always pay as well as we would assume though.

Take a for instance:

Imagine you apply to a talent show with a big final payout contract. Except it turns out that the contract isn't the lump sum advance on sales that your regular artist gets (and you assumed was yours), instead you're on a salary. And that salary covers the amount you expected over a few years, not one. You're also forced to split that salary with other artists you hadn't realised you'd be sharing it with.

Your management company (or owners) insist on your attendance to a number of high profile events, many of which have charity auctions and donations. Not only do you have to make sizable donations so as not to appear tight, your owners have also allocated a fairly measly clothing and transport budget. You have to arrive to these event by limo (often picked up from somewhere nearby - rest of the transport at your own cost) and can never wear the same clothes twice.

Using your new found fame and looks to earn in a night as much as you earn in a year suddenly begins to sound quite tempting.

As for actresses in the US, that's the way things have been set up for years. Girls in Hollywood have always slept their way into the industry - what's the difference between sleeping with someone for a role and sleeping with someone for money?

That's good detail to flesh out what i've always suspected, thanks.

So in Hollywood, any 'A-List' Female would have had to have 'slept to the top' to get through the D/C/B levels then? I assume there are no ways to get to that level in Hollywood?

What about in the UK, would there be ANY female A-Listers who would NOT have become that way due to that system, i.e. through sheer skill/talent? Or can only coming from a quite wealthy background bypass system that in the UK?

 

[glorygloryeze]

I once met a guy who was the accountant for Home & Away. He said he made more money than most of the actors, but Scara's right, they have to look the part. You wouldn't want the paparazzi taking photos of you buying some trackies from K-Mart.

I've certainly always felt those who have the 'fame' and can't 'slum it' shopping at Tescos or whatever if they wanted to were always in the worse position that those whose faces you wouldn't notice...fame eh? Who needs it...

 

[scaramanga]

That's good detail to flesh out what i've always suspected, thanks.

So in Hollywood, any 'A-List' Female would have had to have 'slept to the top' to get through the D/C/B levels then? I assume there are no ways to get to that level in Hollywood?

What about in the UK, would there be ANY female A-Listers who would NOT have become that way due to that system, i.e. through sheer skill/talent? Or can only coming from a quite wealthy background bypass system that in the UK?

I very much doubt that "all" would be an accurate guess, but "some" would probably be understating it. I don't know what it's like now but in the past that was the way in the door.

 

[Superted]

To get to the bottom of this, I think we need to get a kickstarter campaign up and running. Round up $1million and send one of us to Dubai undercover as a Russian oligarch and see what we get offered.

I can take one for the team I guess.