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Rorschach said:
It is all relative. CL spots are and always were a pipe dream for WestHam IMO. When their fans were eyeing the move to their new stadium and the porn barons were whispering sweet nothings in their ears the thoughts of mid-table moyescurity would not have been contemplated. Now that doesn't look so bad. The club is a mess from top to bottom and going down would be nothing short of a disaster in that stadium of all places. If I was a hammer I would gladly take a few years of stability over the pantomime show that is going on now on and off the pitch.
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In general, hard to argue.

The issue I take is that a) They have clearly stated higher ambitions and b) The mess they are in is of their own making.

Given that, I dont see how mid table mediocrity could be success for them.

Even if, for the fans, it would be a godsend right now (until they got there and decided they should really be winning the world cup...)
 
I suspect the owners would accept mid-table mediocrity. They knew the promise of challenging for the CL spots was nonsense, they just had to convince the fans to justify the move and sale of their home.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
In general, hard to argue.

The issue I take is that a) They have clearly stated higher ambitions and b) The mess they are in is of their own making.

Given that, I dont see how mid table mediocrity could be success for them.

Even if, for the fans, it would be a godsend right now (until they got there and decided they should really be winning the world cup...)
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Well this bit is true, but their stated ambitions were not realistic and most WH fans realise that now. It was only the guillible that bought into the promises, and it turned out there was as much substance to those promises as the stupid bubbles that appear when they score.

I think we are debating on the same side here, just differing on the sematics of what defines their success or not.
 
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When the like of Burnley are on Arsenals coat tails, I dont see how less can be a success for West Ham - and the club they (and fans) percieve them to be.

Of course, as neutrals, we can see their are a cluster fudge which offers magnificent entertainment. For whom not being entirely brick is a success. However, on planet bubbles....

(and the fans are as bad as the owners).


Ive said it before, it baffles me why clubs like West Ham arent copying our play book step for step. We have shown how its done, in a meaningful, tangible, sustainable way. Why does nobody pay attention?!
 
That requires investment and a long-term plan. The West Ham owners are all about bold talk in the present and keeping their wallets closed. The we'll be challenging for CL place in the OS ploy is repeated every transfer window with the names they are after, with subsequent disappointment. The fans are being treated as mugs and the ones that get it are tinkled off.
 
I am amazed that the dildo brothers didn't sell up the summer they moved stadiums. It seems like the obvious point to maximise their return, the fans were optimistic about the move, ticket sales were good and someone else would've taken the flack for their stupid decision.
 
milo said:
I am amazed that the dildo brothers didn't sell up the summer they moved stadiums. It seems like the obvious point to maximise their return, the fans were optimistic about the move, ticket sales were good and someone else would've taken the flack for their stupid decision.
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Except they actually believed their own hype.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
When the like of Burnley are on Arsenals coat tails, I dont see how less can be a success for West Ham - and the club they (and fans) percieve them to be.

Of course, as neutrals, we can see their are a cluster fudge which offers magnificent entertainment. For whom not being entirely brick is a success. However, on planet bubbles....

(and the fans are as bad as the owners).


Ive said it before, it baffles me why clubs like West Ham arent copying our play book step for step. We have shown how its done, in a meaningful, tangible, sustainable way. Why does nobody pay attention?!
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Burnley have won more than West Ham, I’d put them in the same envelope.
 
StephenH said:
I wonder if the current "management" are locked in for x amount of years on the lease?
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Kind of. I think if they sell in the first 10 years they have to pay a % of the sale value (if above a certain threshold) to the stadium owners. But iirc they can offset debt against the sale value.
 
Now left with

home Man C - probably 0 pts

Away Leicester - could well be 0 pts

home - man U - probably 0 pts

home Everton - pressure - worries - revolt ...... who knows ?

The old Chinese curse comes to mind - May you/they live in interesting times. They'll probably survive, but it will be fun watching them fret/panic/lash out at each other. Still ...... Jam tomorrow
 
West Ham: Andy Carroll sent home after row with manager David Moyes
By Simon Stone

BBC Sport

West Ham striker Andy Carroll was sent home from training on Monday following an argument with manager David Moyes.

It is understood Moyes spoke to Carroll about his conduct after he left the substitutes' bench during Sunday's 4-1 home defeat by Emirates Marketing Project.

The pair had a heated exchange before Carroll, 29, was told to go home.

After Moyes made a triple substitution during the second half against City, Carroll went to the dressing room and did not return before full-time.

Moyes was known to be irritated at Carroll's behaviour, believing the former England international should have remained to support his team-mates.

It is not known whether there will be any further disciplinary action, although West Ham's players are not training on Tuesday as they have been given the day off.

The news comes as the Hammers continue to battle for their Premier League future.

In West Ham's previous home game, Carroll came off the bench to score a late equaliser against relegation rivals Stoke.

But after successive 4-1 defeats by Arsenal and Emirates Marketing Project, the Hammers are three points above the relegation zone with a worse goal difference than third-bottom Southampton.

The uncertainty over the club's position means no decision has been made about the future of Moyes, or goalkeeper Joe Hart, who is on loan from City until the end of the season.
 
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