The Moonlit Knight
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Which is surely a good thing as businesses generate wealth?
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Cameron for Cash
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Which is surely a good thing as businesses generate wealth?
Sounds good to me.
If employers are bad employers, people will work elsewhere. Said employers will have to improve conditions to compete in the market.
Not forgetting the damage to reputation in front of shareholders.
There's no place for unions in the modern world. They are irresponsible, immoral and should be illegal.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I am neither Tory or Labour and i feel they are both as bad as one another for looking after their friends, however i can not agree with that at all. I hope you are saying that tongue in cheek because that statement would take us back to the days of slave labour.
And i say this as a employer who has had a few problems with unions myself
Crab.C.Nesbitt
Bobby Mimms
Lmao mate what decade are you living in mate? So if you don't like the way your company is run you just leave your job and walk right into another one eh? Get real there are far fewer job opportunities as opposed to job seekers out there and it's an employers market, a fact which mployers are exploiting not just with regards to recruitment but also exploitative working practices e.g. Employing people on rolling fixed term contracts to avoid having to give employees the rights that they should have as effective full time employees, or signing in people up to 37.5 hour and expecting that they willroutinely work 50-60 hour weeks without any overtime etc. I think nowadays unions are needed more than ever, but they shouldn't be led by Marxist dinosaurs!
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Leeds Spur
Banned
And which has killed the temp market stone dead. Brilliant.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
yep one of my mates works for smithsnews the newspaper and magazine distrubitor and he said they have been told they are no longer allowed to book agency guys. They either have to employ people on part time hours, give staff over time or struggle on. Seems a shame as apparently a few agency guys used to get taken on by the company but now that way of getting a full time job has been shut to them.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Because as I stated previously, the Labour Party is affiliated with the union movement. There would be something wrong if they did not donate to Labour. Last time I checked the tories were the official party of the idiot aristocracy and not business. So that is a difference even you should be able to understand. BTW, I never said there was anything wrong with companies donating. Crawley said the unions should not be able to and I replied well, why then should business?
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Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
4 pages for this thread, really?
It is wrong no matter which party you support. Both parties receive generous donations. Both as bad as each other.
It is wrong no matter which party you support. Both parties receive generous donations. Both as bad as each other.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Has anything good or remotely useful come out of our time in the EU ???
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Initially sped up the deflation of prices of a lot of goods. But that would've happened anyway because of the internet.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
This. Although I'd say it's far worse for left wing parties to do it because it practically goes against everything they preach. I've said this before, you expect the Tories to be somewhat self serving. I do not expect Labour or the Lib Dems to be self serving. I expect them to practice what they preach and fall on their own sword if it benefits the masses. Which of course is something they'd never do because they are just as bad as the Tories. In fact their hypocrisy makes it all so much worse.
Nothing, zip, sweet fa.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
working time directive
improvements in employement law in favour of employees
improved maternity and paternity
data protection legislation
freedom of information legislation
move towards equality in pay for men and women
food info - ie, the transpaicy of food content has improved massively
greater consumer protection legislation
good inroads into air quality and such like (not solely the EU - but look at the US and China attitudes towards the environment for the alternative)
ease of travel between member states
theoretically better trade links across the EU
freedom to live and work in another EU country with relative ease
and the flip side to the above - a large and willing workforce that will do the jobs in the UK the brits are too arrogant/proud/ignorant to do
increased competition with flights resulting in cheaper flights (safer flights also i beleive)
thats all i can think of - some of our more esrtwhile posters may be able to add more (or even correct me!?) on the UK pre and post EU
We were told we were joining a trading federation, not a political entity that would eventually absorb us completely (give it time).
No-one under the age of 55 has ever been given a say on this.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
The question though was what good has come out of our time in the EU? To say the EU has been solely good or to dismiss its faults is silly and hyperbolic. To present it as an organisation that has done 'nothing, zip, sweet fa' in your own words, is similarly so.
And how much are the population really given a say on policies? We vote at a general election, mostly based on our own personal interests and prejudices, rarely changing our preferences on the actual performances of the parties (and this is done by people on both sides of the political spectrum). Sometimes we don't get the govt we voted for. No-one in the country voted for a Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. That is what we have. But either way, the government then runs more in a dictatorial fashion than one in which the public are consulted on every issue for the subsequent 5 years. Then we have another election and elect another set of people who'll rule with little real input from the millions of voters for the 5 years or so after. This means that they can also lie about their policies before the elections, then do as they wish after.
And how much are the population really given a say on policies? We vote at a general election, mostly based on our own personal interests and prejudices, rarely changing our preferences on the actual performances of the parties (and this is done by people on both sides of the political spectrum). Sometimes we don't get the govt we voted for. No-one in the country voted for a Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. That is what we have. But either way, the government then runs more in a dictatorial fashion than one in which the public are consulted on every issue for the subsequent 5 years. Then we have another election and elect another set of people who'll rule with little real input from the millions of voters for the 5 years or so after. This means that they can also lie about their policies before the elections, then do as they wish after.
suffolkspur
Ben Thatcher
The EU is concerned about one thing. Its not the prosperity of the individual states within it. It is the continution of the concept of the EU state. When Farage brought up the greek situation with Angela Merkel she was insistent that the Greeks could not return to the drachma to try to sort out their issues. They had to stay in the Euro to ensure the surival of the Euro state. The people did not matter. The project mattered.
The vast majority of law/legistlation is created, again not for the individual states prosperity, it is for the implementation of the EU superstate. Italy and Greece have been taken over by EU bureaucrats. Democracy does not exist in these countries. And if 2 European democratic countries can be taken over as easily as that what hope for anyone.
There is nothing positive about being in the EU that could not be acheived by being a self governing nation.
The vast majority of law/legistlation is created, again not for the individual states prosperity, it is for the implementation of the EU superstate. Italy and Greece have been taken over by EU bureaucrats. Democracy does not exist in these countries. And if 2 European democratic countries can be taken over as easily as that what hope for anyone.
There is nothing positive about being in the EU that could not be acheived by being a self governing nation.
Do you include the UK in that figure? we certainly didn't sign up for what we now have.
The EU cannot get its own accounts signed off. It is corrupt. Do you really believe it's a force for good?