Bishop
Nick Barmby
Or some of us just don't rate his game?Indeed. Is so strange. It feels to me as though some people made up their mind early that they didn’t like him and now try to find ways to criticise his game.
Or some of us just don't rate his game?Indeed. Is so strange. It feels to me as though some people made up their mind early that they didn’t like him and now try to find ways to criticise his game.
Sons only attribute in the last 5 seasons has been goal scoring, its quite an attribute to have to be honest. If we have someone who can score 1 in 2 games doing relatively nothing, i would rather have that over someone who huffs and puffs, runs a round a bit but add’s nothing at all. Traore springs to mind.I would say that it's highly unlikely he scores 25 goals this season.
Also the question is what he contributes if he doesn't score. If he is to have a sustainable career at the top level, regardless of it being a Tottenham it can't just be made of getting on the ends of things. Look how it worked out for Alli. He simply has to develop other aspects of his game, especially playing wide otherwise you're playing with 10 men in the hope that he scores.
No team carries a winger that way any more. Also it's not in isolation, if you look at the way Ange sets up his team, the amount of chances we concede at the back post for example, then he can score as many as he likes but it doesn't matter if he's not getting back to help his full back and the other team score.
I'm happy he's scoring, but he can't beat his man 1v1, he can't cross or play clever passes currently.
He has the same amount of assists as Anderton no?Sons only attribute in the last 5 seasons has been goal scoring, its quite an attribute to have to be honest. If we have someone who can score 1 in 2 games doing relatively nothing, i would rather have that over someone who huffs and puffs, runs a round a bit but add’s nothing at all. Traore springs to mind.
He doesHe has the same amount of assists as Anderton no?
He does
Johnson who people think isn’t capable has already got 11 assists for us
Ah yes, the good old 'All he does is score' argument. Hes our fudging top scorer, if what he is doing is so easy then what the on earth are the rest of our forwards doing? Its also a myth he doesn't contribute given his assists and goal creation chances stats and if you compare his stats to a Son or Bale at the same age? Guess what, his bloody stand up to theirs....I would say that it's highly unlikely he scores 25 goals this season.
Also the question is what he contributes if he doesn't score. If he is to have a sustainable career at the top level, regardless of it being a Tottenham it can't just be made of getting on the ends of things. Look how it worked out for Alli. He simply has to develop other aspects of his game, especially playing wide otherwise you're playing with 10 men in the hope that he scores.
No team carries a winger that way any more. Also it's not in isolation, if you look at the way Ange sets up his team, the amount of chances we concede at the back post for example, then he can score as many as he likes but it doesn't matter if he's not getting back to help his full back and the other team score.
I'm happy he's scoring, but he can't beat his man 1v1, he can't cross or play clever passes currently.
What happens if the goals dry up you say? He should improve other parts of his game like beating a man, involved with play and defending.I would say that it's highly unlikely he scores 25 goals this season.
Also the question is what he contributes if he doesn't score. If he is to have a sustainable career at the top level, regardless of it being a Tottenham it can't just be made of getting on the ends of things. Look how it worked out for Alli. He simply has to develop other aspects of his game, especially playing wide otherwise you're playing with 10 men in the hope that he scores.
No team carries a winger that way any more. Also it's not in isolation, if you look at the way Ange sets up his team, the amount of chances we concede at the back post for example, then he can score as many as he likes but it doesn't matter if he's not getting back to help his full back and the other team score.
I'm happy he's scoring, but he can't beat his man 1v1, he can't cross or play clever passes currently.
I've never bought into the "if he scores hes had a good game" argument. Goals are great, goals are very critical but we aren't playing basketball., winning games demands a little more than just scoring.Ah yes, the good old 'All he does is score' argument. Hes our fudging top scorer, if what he is doing is so easy then what the on earth are the rest of our forwards doing? Its also a myth he doesn't contribute given his assists and goal creation chances stats and if you compare his stats to a Son or Bale at the same age? Guess what, his bloody stand up to theirs....
Wouldn't argue with any of that. My point is Johnson being a concern is way down the pecking order. There are elements he can improve on, but Bale, Son and many more top wingers were barely putting in the numbers that he is at the same age. By all means focus on what he can't do but that can also be a positive because there aren't many all singing all dancing wingers at his age who go on to do it year after year so the fact he's producing decent numbers whilst still having room for growth is a good thing.I've never bought into the "if he scores hes had a good game" argument. Goals are great, goals are very critical but we aren't playing basketball., winning games demands a little more than just scoring.
There are times, many times when his inability to keep a ball and contribute meaningfully in general play is to our detrimental. There are times, many times when there is the opportunity for him to drive at his opponent, beat them and either score or create a real chance. He very rarely does this. Moments like those are the things that keeps the opposition penned in, it's what keeps their mentally on edge because of the sheer threat of attack. We just don't have that. There are times when we are under pressure when an out ball to a possessionaly strong wide man to drive with the ball away from our half would be helpful, it would help keep the ball in the opposition half and help control the tempo. We get none of this from either wing.
So sure whilst we sit where we are in the league and with the results and performances we've you're had so far you're perfectly free to feel no improvements can be made but I see it very much otherwise.
Wouldn't argue with any of that. My point is Johnson being a concern is way down the pecking order. There are elements he can improve on, but Bale, Son and many more top wingers were barely putting in the numbers that he is at the same age. By all means focus on what he can't do but that can also be a positive because there aren't many all singing all dancing wingers at his age who go on to do it year after year so the fact he's producing decent numbers whilst still having room for growth is a good thing.
And as a side note, considering we were top scorers up until this week our attackers can't all be as bad as some like to make out - either that or Ange is a bit of a genius after all.....
I think Ange's system is excellent at creating chances honestly. It's really open and positive I do think he's getting a lot more out of this team attacking wise than another coach would. So all credit to him there.Wouldn't argue with any of that. My point is Johnson being a concern is way down the pecking order. There are elements he can improve on, but Bale, Son and many more top wingers were barely putting in the numbers that he is at the same age. By all means focus on what he can't do but that can also be a positive because there aren't many all singing all dancing wingers at his age who go on to do it year after year so the fact he's producing decent numbers whilst still having room for growth is a good thing.
And as a side note, considering we were top scorers up until this week our attackers can't all be as bad as some like to make out - either that or Ange is a bit of a genius after all.....
No let's have decent wingers on both sides please. Thanks.Johnson on the right with a decent winger on the left would be a great option
Ideally we upgrade both sides
I agree but of all our wide forwards Johnson is the lowest down the list of who we need to replace and still has significant upside....I think Ange's system is excellent at creating chances honestly. It's really open and positive I do think he's getting a lot more out of this team attacking wise than another coach would. So all credit to him there.
I focus on the negatives I spoke of because when I see what Ange is trying to do, we are never going to be a defensively stout team. His intention for me is to win by blowing the opposition away. Goals, upon goals upon goals. Keep the opposition penned in. Keep them on their toes because of the sheer threat that Tottenham are offering.
So to achieve that, the quality of the attackers is key and the attributes they posses. This first half is a perfect example, Johnson had been absent and unable to help the team when it's been under pressure or even on the break because of his inability to run with the ball. If he gets a goal at some point great, but that's not gonna mask all the bits that he's not doing, we should be losing. I've said for ages and I will continue to say Ange's system is not going to work in long run without a dribbly possessionaly strong wide men. Until we have them I'll keep saying it.
I hear that. I just want them all replaced.I agree but of all our wide forwards Johnson is the lowest down the list of who we need to replace and still has significant upside....
And if you go through those assists most of them will be simple passes. Tom Carrol got an assist for Bales wonder goal against West Ham and and he passed it 2 yards.He has the same amount of assists as Anderton no?