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Brennan Johnson

I would say that it's highly unlikely he scores 25 goals this season.

Also the question is what he contributes if he doesn't score. If he is to have a sustainable career at the top level, regardless of it being a Tottenham it can't just be made of getting on the ends of things. Look how it worked out for Alli. He simply has to develop other aspects of his game, especially playing wide otherwise you're playing with 10 men in the hope that he scores.

No team carries a winger that way any more. Also it's not in isolation, if you look at the way Ange sets up his team, the amount of chances we concede at the back post for example, then he can score as many as he likes but it doesn't matter if he's not getting back to help his full back and the other team score.

I'm happy he's scoring, but he can't beat his man 1v1, he can't cross or play clever passes currently.
 
fernadez said:
I would say that it's highly unlikely he scores 25 goals this season.

Also the question is what he contributes if he doesn't score. If he is to have a sustainable career at the top level, regardless of it being a Tottenham it can't just be made of getting on the ends of things. Look how it worked out for Alli. He simply has to develop other aspects of his game, especially playing wide otherwise you're playing with 10 men in the hope that he scores.

No team carries a winger that way any more. Also it's not in isolation, if you look at the way Ange sets up his team, the amount of chances we concede at the back post for example, then he can score as many as he likes but it doesn't matter if he's not getting back to help his full back and the other team score.

I'm happy he's scoring, but he can't beat his man 1v1, he can't cross or play clever passes currently.
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Sons only attribute in the last 5 seasons has been goal scoring, its quite an attribute to have to be honest. If we have someone who can score 1 in 2 games doing relatively nothing, i would rather have that over someone who huffs and puffs, runs a round a bit but add’s nothing at all. Traore springs to mind.
 
Yiddo said:
Sons only attribute in the last 5 seasons has been goal scoring, its quite an attribute to have to be honest. If we have someone who can score 1 in 2 games doing relatively nothing, i would rather have that over someone who huffs and puffs, runs a round a bit but add’s nothing at all. Traore springs to mind.
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He has the same amount of assists as Anderton no?
 
fernadez said:
I would say that it's highly unlikely he scores 25 goals this season.

Also the question is what he contributes if he doesn't score. If he is to have a sustainable career at the top level, regardless of it being a Tottenham it can't just be made of getting on the ends of things. Look how it worked out for Alli. He simply has to develop other aspects of his game, especially playing wide otherwise you're playing with 10 men in the hope that he scores.

No team carries a winger that way any more. Also it's not in isolation, if you look at the way Ange sets up his team, the amount of chances we concede at the back post for example, then he can score as many as he likes but it doesn't matter if he's not getting back to help his full back and the other team score.

I'm happy he's scoring, but he can't beat his man 1v1, he can't cross or play clever passes currently.
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Ah yes, the good old 'All he does is score' argument. Hes our fudging top scorer, if what he is doing is so easy then what the on earth are the rest of our forwards doing? Its also a myth he doesn't contribute given his assists and goal creation chances stats and if you compare his stats to a Son or Bale at the same age? Guess what, his bloody stand up to theirs....
 
Solanke - 14 starts, 3 sub, 4 goals, 2 assists
Johnson - 14 starts, 5 sub, 9 goals, 1 assist
Sonny - 12 starts, 1 sub, 4 goals, 4 assists

No doubt, can always be improved upon but doesn't feel like our worst stat. Personally, I don't think Sonny will change so much at this stage of his career. I'm hoping Solanke stays as relevant as he is on the pitch but finds the net more whilst Johnson finds ways to be more relevant in the other areas of his game. Considering who we lost as our main goalscorer, I think we're doing just fine with our goals scored column. We haven't seen any dip at all and you get the feeling we're going to score more in the future.
 
fernadez said:
I would say that it's highly unlikely he scores 25 goals this season.

Also the question is what he contributes if he doesn't score. If he is to have a sustainable career at the top level, regardless of it being a Tottenham it can't just be made of getting on the ends of things. Look how it worked out for Alli. He simply has to develop other aspects of his game, especially playing wide otherwise you're playing with 10 men in the hope that he scores.

No team carries a winger that way any more. Also it's not in isolation, if you look at the way Ange sets up his team, the amount of chances we concede at the back post for example, then he can score as many as he likes but it doesn't matter if he's not getting back to help his full back and the other team score.

I'm happy he's scoring, but he can't beat his man 1v1, he can't cross or play clever passes currently.
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What happens if the goals dry up you say? He should improve other parts of his game like beating a man, involved with play and defending.

Well I present to you Timo Werner. He does all those things but is ridiculed on here because of his lack of end product.

Personally I like both players, they offer something different. Sure they’re not the solution for our final destination but for this leg of the journey they’re good players.
 
harr1984 said:
Ah yes, the good old 'All he does is score' argument. Hes our fudging top scorer, if what he is doing is so easy then what the on earth are the rest of our forwards doing? Its also a myth he doesn't contribute given his assists and goal creation chances stats and if you compare his stats to a Son or Bale at the same age? Guess what, his bloody stand up to theirs....
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I've never bought into the "if he scores hes had a good game" argument. Goals are great, goals are very critical but we aren't playing basketball., winning games demands a little more than just scoring.

There are times, many times when his inability to keep a ball and contribute meaningfully in general play is to our detrimental. There are times, many times when there is the opportunity for him to drive at his opponent, beat them and either score or create a real chance. He very rarely does this. Moments like those are the things that keeps the opposition penned in, it's what keeps their mentally on edge because of the sheer threat of attack. We just don't have that. There are times when we are under pressure when an out ball to a possessionaly strong wide man to drive with the ball away from our half would be helpful, it would help keep the ball in the opposition half and help control the tempo. We get none of this from either wing.

So sure whilst we sit where we are in the league and with the results and performances we've you're had so far you're perfectly free to feel no improvements can be made but I see it very much otherwise.
 
Bishop said:
I've never bought into the "if he scores hes had a good game" argument. Goals are great, goals are very critical but we aren't playing basketball., winning games demands a little more than just scoring.

There are times, many times when his inability to keep a ball and contribute meaningfully in general play is to our detrimental. There are times, many times when there is the opportunity for him to drive at his opponent, beat them and either score or create a real chance. He very rarely does this. Moments like those are the things that keeps the opposition penned in, it's what keeps their mentally on edge because of the sheer threat of attack. We just don't have that. There are times when we are under pressure when an out ball to a possessionaly strong wide man to drive with the ball away from our half would be helpful, it would help keep the ball in the opposition half and help control the tempo. We get none of this from either wing.

So sure whilst we sit where we are in the league and with the results and performances we've you're had so far you're perfectly free to feel no improvements can be made but I see it very much otherwise.
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Wouldn't argue with any of that. My point is Johnson being a concern is way down the pecking order. There are elements he can improve on, but Bale, Son and many more top wingers were barely putting in the numbers that he is at the same age. By all means focus on what he can't do but that can also be a positive because there aren't many all singing all dancing wingers at his age who go on to do it year after year so the fact he's producing decent numbers whilst still having room for growth is a good thing.

And as a side note, considering we were top scorers up until this week our attackers can't all be as bad as some like to make out - either that or Ange is a bit of a genius after all.....
 
harr1984 said:
Wouldn't argue with any of that. My point is Johnson being a concern is way down the pecking order. There are elements he can improve on, but Bale, Son and many more top wingers were barely putting in the numbers that he is at the same age. By all means focus on what he can't do but that can also be a positive because there aren't many all singing all dancing wingers at his age who go on to do it year after year so the fact he's producing decent numbers whilst still having room for growth is a good thing.

And as a side note, considering we were top scorers up until this week our attackers can't all be as bad as some like to make out - either that or Ange is a bit of a genius after all.....
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Johnson on the right with a decent winger on the left would be a great option
Ideally we upgrade both sides
 
harr1984 said:
Wouldn't argue with any of that. My point is Johnson being a concern is way down the pecking order. There are elements he can improve on, but Bale, Son and many more top wingers were barely putting in the numbers that he is at the same age. By all means focus on what he can't do but that can also be a positive because there aren't many all singing all dancing wingers at his age who go on to do it year after year so the fact he's producing decent numbers whilst still having room for growth is a good thing.

And as a side note, considering we were top scorers up until this week our attackers can't all be as bad as some like to make out - either that or Ange is a bit of a genius after all.....
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I think Ange's system is excellent at creating chances honestly. It's really open and positive I do think he's getting a lot more out of this team attacking wise than another coach would. So all credit to him there.

I focus on the negatives I spoke of because when I see what Ange is trying to do, we are never going to be a defensively stout team. His intention for me is to win by blowing the opposition away. Goals, upon goals upon goals. Keep the opposition penned in. Keep them on their toes because of the sheer threat that Tottenham are offering.

So to achieve that, the quality of the attackers is key and the attributes they posses. This first half is a perfect example, Johnson had been absent and unable to help the team when it's been under pressure or even on the break because of his inability to run with the ball. If he gets a goal at some point great, but that's not gonna mask all the bits that he's not doing, we should be losing. I've said for ages and I will continue to say Ange's system is not going to work in long run without a dribbly possessionaly strong wide men. Until we have them I'll keep saying it. ;)😅
 
Bishop said:
I think Ange's system is excellent at creating chances honestly. It's really open and positive I do think he's getting a lot more out of this team attacking wise than another coach would. So all credit to him there.

I focus on the negatives I spoke of because when I see what Ange is trying to do, we are never going to be a defensively stout team. His intention for me is to win by blowing the opposition away. Goals, upon goals upon goals. Keep the opposition penned in. Keep them on their toes because of the sheer threat that Tottenham are offering.

So to achieve that, the quality of the attackers is key and the attributes they posses. This first half is a perfect example, Johnson had been absent and unable to help the team when it's been under pressure or even on the break because of his inability to run with the ball. If he gets a goal at some point great, but that's not gonna mask all the bits that he's not doing, we should be losing. I've said for ages and I will continue to say Ange's system is not going to work in long run without a dribbly possessionaly strong wide men. Until we have them I'll keep saying it. ;)😅
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I agree but of all our wide forwards Johnson is the lowest down the list of who we need to replace and still has significant upside....
 
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