Berahino in January for £25m?

[milo]

So now you're suggesting we should've walked away from a deal early when (going by his comments) the manager wanted Berahino or no one? - so we'd be in exactly the same position

And why walk away when WBA are giving off come and get him signals at the same time as saying that he was not for sale.

We also have no way of knowing what was said behind closed doors, I find it hard to take West Brom's statements on this at face value.

 

[milo]

This observation is shamelessly lifted from Football Weekly but I think that part of our obsession with who came out on top in the transfer window is down to how the media cover it now. Loads of papers ran winners and losers features when the window closed and they try their hardest to ramp up the drama to sell newspapers/advertising. Peace played this because he gave them a narrative and fed the story.

 

[indianspur]

So now you're suggesting we should've walked away from a deal early when (going by his comments) the manager wanted Berahino or no one? - so we'd be in exactly the same position

i said we go as far as we can financially, but do it a week earlier......is it so hard to understand?

 

[milo]

i said we go as far as we can financially, but do it a week earlier......is it so hard to understand?

When bidding on eBay, do you go in with your maximum bid with several days remaining?

 

[billyiddo]

i said we go as far as we can financially, but do it a week earlier......is it so hard to understand?

So exactly what I said then only a week rather than two before deadline day?

I'd guarantee you'd then spend the remaining time the window was open complaining we gave up on our target too early

 

[Robspur12]

And why walk away when WBA are giving off come and get him signals at the same time as saying that he was not for sale.

We also have no way of knowing what was said behind closed doors, I find it hard to take West Brom's statements on this at face value.

They were giving off no such signals. Peace says "the sale of berahino was not on agenda" he went on to say that " you can never say never" in other words we don't want to sell but we are a business and every footballer has a price. what's the difference between that and what Levy has said and done on numerous occasions when he has sold players he didn't want to? I think the mixed signals were what fans wanted to hear and we are being very one eyed on this.

 

[indianspur]

When bidding on eBay, do you go in with your maximum bid with several days remaining?

what has ebay got to do with anything?.........we are talking about football, a multi million pound transfer of a footballer, about negotiations with a chairman who has repeatedly said we left it late to make our initial bid, who was growing more and more stubborn as time went on. Not every transfer is the same, different personalities involved etc.......

 

[indianspur]

So exactly what I said then only a week rather than two before deadline day?

I'd guarantee you'd then spend the remaining time the window was open complaining we gave up on our target too early

no i wouldnt, im not so so stupid as to think we have unlimited funds that we can waste on transfers.........I know we have a budget, we can only afford certain transfer and wage packages, the key is that Levy and the club know this better than any of us and if we had a figure we were prepared to go to, lets say 25 mill max, and we could be flexible enough to offer decent payment terms, then make this final offer earlier than the last hours of the window!..........if we went to our limit a week beforehand and we werent successful, then I for one wouldnt moan about giving up too early.

anyway like i said, the final offer simply remains on the table. we cannot stretch ourselves further financially, Brom know the situation, then they have a week to see if anyone else comes in, to arrange deals themselves, and then who knows a week later they may have come back and said they accept. If not, so be it

 

[Robspur12]

what has ebay got to do with anything?.........we are talking about football, a multi million pound transfer of a footballer, about negotiations with a chairman who has repeatedly said we left it late to make our initial bid, who was growing more and more stubborn as time went on. Not every transfer is the same, different personalities involved etc.......

Agreed and of course we are convenient ly forgetting the value of getting in a player early and enabling them to prepare with their new teammates unlike just buying an item.

 

[StephenH]

fudge Levy vs Peace - I hope you have voted on the topic.

We should put all the Levy stuff in the correct thread, not here

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

This observation is shamelessly lifted from Football Weekly but I think that part of our obsession with who came out on top in the transfer window is down to how the media cover it now. Loads of papers ran winners and losers features when the window closed and they try their hardest to ramp up the drama to sell newspapers/advertising. Peace played this because he gave them a narrative and fed the story.

This.

Sky Sports news all day;

Jim White: 'And now we go live (insert super dramatic voice) to super dooper top 4 brilliant champions league team training ground where our on the ground (super super dramatic voice) reporter, Jimmy no name is live (dramatic voice), What's happening Jimmy (super super super dramatic voice)????'

*Cut's to reporter, surrounded by tumble-weed, security guard sleeping behind him because he hasn't let anyone in the gates in 6 hours.

Jimmy no name: 'Well, Jim, it's been quiet so far, our sources tell us that there might maybe possibly not be much movement at super dooper top 4 brilliant champions league team, but we all know what happened last year (dramatic voice) and we all know what their cheeky chappy chairman is like on TRANSFER DEADLINE DAY (This can never be said without shouting), and earlier our sources did say that they might maybe possibly be interested in Osama Bin Scorin', the afgan wonderkid whos currently playing in the turkish 3rd division. So jim, you just never know (super super super super dramatic voice) anything can happen on TRANSFER DEADLINE DAY.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

if you dont care what people think of you then you are egotic

your example of when he changed is a bit weak dont you think. 2 points from 8 games ring a bell? I dont think even Levy had a choice but to change his way of operating to save the club from potential disaster.

Perhaps but he didn't have to go with Redknapp and could have got someone to fit his system, if he was so egotistical. I think it's hard to judge if he is egotistical or not given how little we know of the guy. Where's the line between being determined and having a vision v being egotistical.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

i said we go as far as we can financially, but do it a week earlier......is it so hard to understand?

No offence Indian, but you do not do negotiations like that. There is no way the buying club can enforce any "bring to a head" meeting. And besides, the whole point about WBA not being given enough time to buy other players is flawed for reasons I have already made. i.e. they knew we were interested and of a potential Berahino windfall ages ago. They could easily have done their business.

 

[indianspur]

Perhaps but he didn't have to go with Redknapp and could have got someone to fit his system, if he was so egotistical. I think it's hard to judge if he is egotistical or not given how little we know of the guy. Where's the line between being determined and having a vision v being egotistical.

hmmm il have to think about that one

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

They were giving off no such signals. Peace says "the sale of berahino was not on agenda" he went on to say that " you can never say never" in other words we don't want to sell but we are a business and every footballer has a price. what's the difference between that and what Levy has said and done on numerous occasions when he has sold players he didn't want to? I think the mixed signals were what fans wanted to hear and we are being very one eyed on this.

I think that's the point Rob. There is no difference i.e. Berahino is for sale. When you say someone is not for sale, it confuses the matter when you also say the payment terms were not acceptable. It's also confusing when your manager then comes out and refuses to adopt the same stance.

 

[indianspur]

No offence Indian, but you do not do negotiations like that. There is no way the buying club can enforce any "bring to a head" meeting. And besides, the whole point about WBA not being given enough time to buy other players is flawed for reasons I have already made. i.e. they knew we were interested and of a potential Berahino windfall ages ago. They could easily have done their business.

when buying a player you have a figure that you are willing to pay that you cannot go beyond. There are payment terms that you can offer and you know you cannot offer any better. By knowing this, from our point of view, yes we could have brought things to a head at least a week earlier.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

when buying a player you have a figure that you are willing to pay that you cannot go beyond. There are payment terms that you can offer and you know you cannot offer any better. By knowing this, from our point of view, yes we could have brought things to a head at least a week earlier.

Absolutely on the first part. So I am just going to try one more time and be a little more succinct:

1. As the seller, WBA were in the position where they had their first star player had just seen Sterling go for £50m+ and up until a week before the window only had, at most, 2 clubs interested. They also knew that Man United had not sorted out their striker position, but were looking elsewhere. Spurs have put in a bid that is not acceptable. You make it public because you want an auction. If Spurs come in and say this is our offer, take it or leave it (which by the way is more than likely what they did at the time) what incentive is there to take that when you know Man United are desperate for strikers and you have one? No sane person would engage in a sale at that point unless the money was too good to turn down which it wasn't.

2. If you are offering payment terms, what is so outrageous for offering the same terms that the seller had offered to you when buying one of your players.

3. Do you really think Levy wanted to drag this out to the last day. Why didn't he do it with Son or N'Jie? N'Jie was with his old sparring partner in Aulas yet Aulas came out praising Levy. New meat in Peace? Everyone at the club would have wanted it settled early because that is the best thing for the club.

 

[billyiddo]

no i wouldnt, im not so so stupid as to think we have unlimited funds that we can waste on transfers.........I know we have a budget, we can only afford certain transfer and wage packages, the key is that Levy and the club know this better than any of us and if we had a figure we were prepared to go to, lets say 25 mill max, and we could be flexible enough to offer decent payment terms, then make this final offer earlier than the last hours of the window!..........if we went to our limit a week beforehand and we werent successful, then I for one wouldnt moan about giving up too early.

anyway like i said, the final offer simply remains on the table. we cannot stretch ourselves further financially, Brom know the situation, then they have a week to see if anyone else comes in, to arrange deals themselves, and then who knows a week later they may have come back and said they accept. If not, so be it

So are you saying if we never went back in on deadline day and left it at our initial bid from the week or so prior that you wouldn't have been complaining?

Because your above scenario doesn't sound too far away from what happened really, up until deadline day, at whigh point we decided to go back in with a better offer - presumably because we realised WBA weren't going to budge, let's not forget we sold Lennon so this possibly allowed us to go back in with an improved offer

 

[indianspur]

Absolutely on the first part. So I am just going to try one more time and be a little more succinct:

1. As the seller, WBA were in the position where they had their first star player had just seen Sterling go for £50m+ and up until a week before the window only had, at most, 2 clubs interested. They also knew that Man United had not sorted out their striker position, but were looking elsewhere. Spurs have put in a bid that is not acceptable. You make it public because you want an auction. If Spurs come in and say this is our offer, take it or leave it (which by the way is more than likely what they did at the time) what incentive is there to take that when you know Man United are desperate for strikers and you have one? No sane person would engage in a sale at that point unless the money was too good to turn down which it wasn't.

2. If you are offering payment terms, what is so outrageous for offering the same terms that the seller had offered to you when buying one of your players.

3. Do you really think Levy wanted to drag this out to the last day. Why didn't he do it with Son or N'Jie? N'Jie was with his old sparring partner in Aulas yet Aulas came out praising Levy. New meat in Peace? Everyone at the club would have wanted it settled early because that is the best thing for the club.

1) Spurs make their final offer on lets say Aug 25th, and say thats as far as we can go and we leave it on the table till the end of the window. West Brom then have a week to decide whether to accept or not....anyway for us it seems it was Berahino or nothing, so there was nothing for us to lose if we had to wait a week

2) West brom are a poorer club, and are selling their best player for a monumental amount and wanted to reinvest that money. Spurs were selling a player surplus to requirements and for a much lesser sum. If you cant see the difference then so be it

3) I dont know if Levy wanted to drag it out till the last day or days of the window, but he has previous in this respect. I dont think it bothered him when the deal got done, as long as it got done. Unfortunately it didnt get done

 

[parklane1]

We had a price, they had a price, their price was a lot higher than ours, so no deal was done. I'm not sure why that means Levy was the one that "was played" "lost a poker game" "tucked it up" "embarrassed us" or whatever other numerous derogatory comments have been made about him?

I really can't see how anyone can come to those conclusion's based on what we know of this negotiation? I mean, someone even posted the WBA statement from earlier and said "there you go that's proof levy screwed this up". As if that's some sort of independent neutral assessment of what went on! Yet the same people were slating Levy and Poch's post window statement saying its just PR, well you can't have it both ways!

Would not bet on that, some will as long its a dig at levy.