Be honest....

[DanishWhite]

The possession point is a good one. Teams have figured out our only Plan A by now and starting with Liverpool have managed to counteract that successfully.

We need to be a lot more versatile in the final third instead of the usual predictable flimflam sideways passes in the middle and lack of clinical finishing upfront

In addition - Ade's loss of form has had a substantial impact on our play. As sharp as Defoe looks lately he cannot and will not carry our season out.

... yes, and we need to play faster. Much faster. Pass and move faster and press the ball faster.

Spurs is pedestrian right now. People say we "deserved" to win against Utd. I mean, WTF. What games are the watching ? Utd made it a stroll in the park, only pressing us truly in their half and breaking away sharp as razors. Deserved to win ? Because what, the defence had the ball 1/3 of the time or whatever ? LOL. Just LOL

 

[africanspurs]

True.

It is nailed on patronising, in particular when the view is built on invalid premises.

I am genuinely sorry you feel this way. I just cant believe people are getting worked up and turning their retention span into a calibre of a gold fish without looking at the bigger wider picture.

where we are at this stage of the season in relation to our initial goal and expectations is overall promising and good. we have lost three straight against 3 tricky sides and people are wiping the achievemnets of the season clean thus far. third in the premier league, QF of the FA, talented squad and Heaven knows what else....yet only the deficiencies of the last three games is coming to the forefront.

if the view of gloom and misery and poor tactical awareness was a consistently apparent thing, then why not complain about it when we are winning and winning well? in the 10 game run where was all the harsh criticism?

if the criticism is based on a small sample pool of the games we lose and have to dig deep to foght for points then i'm sorry but that is micro analysis in its worst face and for me smacks of ........*insert patronising terms and word here*

i am sorry if it offends you

 

[DanishWhite]

You seem to have not read my posts.

It is not about the last three games (albeit they nail home the point prette f*cking hard). It is not about just results, even.

It is about us not playing well and not having done so for quite some time.

 

[totman]

Whats the point in celebrating our pre christmas form, when the last month has seen us throw away a ten point gap?

 

[noddy1991]

look it was always very likely that 10 point gap would be reduced in this incredibly hard run of fixtures and this has been compounded by us having no luck whatsoever and everything seemingly possible going for the gooners. leaving aside the arsenal game if just 1 or 2 decisions or breaks of the ball had gone the other way in the 2 clubs last 4 games had gone the other way the gap would still 6 or 7 points probably.

in a low scoring game like football that can happen. very likely at some stage it will turn the other way. arsenal are still a very shaky side being carried by RVP. long odds on in these last 10 games there'll be on occasion when they'll absolutely batter someone, miss chance after chance and then the other side will nick it . it happens.

of course getting no points from 3 games is very disappointing but like i said they were very difficult fixtures which we rarely win at the best of times. 0 wins or 1 win were always the likely outcome.

 

[totman]

Thats all very well, but claiming that we shouldnt be bothered because we were good earlier in the season is absurd.

I hope the players are bothered, dont you?

 

[BrainOfLevy]

How can we not "deserve" to lose, if Everton dominated the 45 minutes we did not dominate (by your own admission) and if Everton did put away what few chances they got ?

Again, you must watch different games to me. We had a bright spell in the 2nd half which was however all huff-and-puff and afterwards we returned to just aimlessly pass the ball around (and lose it quite often too) with no urgency, no pro-action and just no plan.

The Utd game was pretty much the same, just without the huff-and-puff. We were resigned to losing as soon as they scored the first.

Everton maybe slightly edged the first half and we totally dominated the second. I'm not saying we created chance after chance, and we do need to be more composed in the final third, but we did deserve something from that game. If Saha had scored after we had played in their half for the entire 45 minutes would we still have deserved to lose?

We were not resigned to losing against United and came back at them. Again, we aren't going to be creating clear cut chance after clear cut chance and most games like this are going to be decided by the half chances and the time the ball breaks our way, it just hasn't done so in the big games this season.

We've just been voted the most entertaining team in the league, by the managers in the league, and you want to say we have been poor for some time? Absolutely false. The guy above me has it right, we have been getting no luck and the ball just hasn't fell our way. We haven't really had luck in the league all season, on the marginal things that could have given us a big swing.

 

[Modric THFC]

They just know, whenever they need a goal off us they can apply a 10-20 minute heavy full pitch pressing game and we are bound to yield.

We really can't deal with any team that presses us high up the pitch.
Its what Arsenal did, what Madrid did, what City did at the start of the season and even Stevenage used the trick on in the 352 game.
Our centre half's can't pass the ball under pressure and we end up trying to play it long.

 

[Modric THFC]

Everton maybe slightly edged the first half and we totally dominated the second. I'm not saying we created chance after chance, and we do need to be more composed in the final third, but we did deserve something from that game. If Saha had scored after we had played in their half for the entire 45 minutes would we still have deserved to lose?

We were not resigned to losing against United and came back at them. Again, we aren't going to be creating clear cut chance after clear cut chance and most games like this are going to be decided by the half chances and the time the ball breaks our way, it just hasn't done so in the big games this season.

We've just been voted the most entertaining team in the league, by the managers in the league, and you want to say we have been poor for some time? Absolutely false. The guy above me has it right, we have been getting no luck and the ball just hasn't fell our way. We haven't really had luck in the league all season, on the marginal things that could have given us a big swing.

Everton were a goal up. They sat back and let us have the ball. They can do that as they have 4 defenders who can defend.
When we go a goal up we have to keep possession to stop pressure being put on our shakey defence.

If we had equalised Everton would have came out and started playing again.

 

[totman]

Id rather get third undeservedly, than miss out by losing games we "deserve" to win

 

[DanishWhite]

Id rather get third undeservedly, than miss out by losing games we "deserve" to win

Oh I very much agree.

But we don't do either now. And it's hard on the eye reading people write, that we "deserved" winning those games.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Everton were a goal up. They sat back and let us have the ball. They can do that as they have 4 defenders who can defend.
When we go a goal up we have to keep possession to stop pressure being put on our shakey defence.

If we had equalised Everton would have came out and started playing again.

Rubbish. We have good defenders. Everton probably sat back a bit sure, but they would not have been happy with us having quite as much of the ball as we had. Moyes said we were the best team to go there all season but apparently we were poor...for goodness sake pull yourselves together people!

 

[DanishWhite]

Btw, Everton didn't "slightly edge" the first half. They were all over us and had complete control from start to end. The dominated.

I cannot believe that is even up for debate ...

 

[noddy1991]

don't agree at all that everton would have come out again. very to hard to change your mentality when you're been on the back foot for so long.

everyone said that had we got back to 2-2 at stoke earlier in the season there'd have only been 1 winner so why would saturday been any different ?

in many respects they were similar games. poor first half performances and all us the second half.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Btw, Everton didn't "slightly edge" the first half. They were all over us and had complete control from start to end. The dominated.

I cannot believe that is even up for debate ...

Whatever, it's hardly the main point. You're still saying that we 'deserved to lose' despite conceding about one real chance and having a complete territorial advantage for the entire second half and missing our own chance from a yard out. You're being overly pessimistic and negative because of a bad run of form.

We simply haven't been as bad as you say all season and have had rotten luck when we have needed it the most.

 

[Modric THFC]

Rubbish. We have good defenders. Everton probably sat back a bit sure, but they would not have been happy with us having quite as much of the ball as we had. Moyes said we were the best team to go there all season but apparently we were poor...for goodness sake pull yourselves together people!

My arse we do. We have King, who's starting to look shaky, and Kaboul, who's liable to make do something stupid out of nowhere like he did against Everton. And they're the best of the lot. As for BAE and Walker they both liabilities when it come to actually defending, they're only in the team for their other qualities.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

My arse we do. We have King, who's starting to look shaky, and Kaboul, who's liable to make do something stupid out of nowhere like he did against Everton. And they're the best of the lot. As for BAE and Walker they both liabilities when it come to actually defending, they're only in the team for their other qualities.

Absolutely ridiculous and a great example of the hysteria that has came from a lack of form and the ball not going our way. It is immensely frustrating yes, but pre-Everton our team was talked about as 'Only Van Persie would get in from Arsenal', and now our defenders are all liabilities. It's total rubbish. They are good players, and have been good all season.

 

[mick cooper]

No.

Neither did I expect a team talking about the title as a possibility and the CL as a certainty to surrender 90% of a 10 point gap in three rounds of football.

The initial post as a premise, that it's ok to lose difficult games. It also has as a premise, that we have been doing fine lately and the negativity being down to the last 3 results. Both premises are wrong.

Firstly - It's not ok to lose 3 on the trot if you lose them your direct competitors and especially not, if those games performance wise are complete collapses - not if you talk of titles and CL football.

Second - the performances have been poor and the defeats have been well deserved. However, the poor performances go beyond these 3 games and we have been stuttering for some time now.

I don't CARE, what people "expected" at the start of the season. I care about us being given a golden opportunity to do something and then the team and the manager perhaps tinkled it all away like right bottlejobs. It's gut-wrenching.

I didn't see any lack of endeavour, will-to-win or bottle in either the Manure or Everton game, so why the hysteria?

 

[mick cooper]

Btw, Everton didn't "slightly edge" the first half. They were all over us and had complete control from start to end. The dominated.

I cannot believe that is even up for debate ...

I can't believe you actually support the club.

Seriously - your tirades against the club and the team are the most astonishing lack of visible support I have ever come across.

I for one would rather you just kept your negativity and tinkle poor opinions of the team, the management and the club to yourself, because I see absolutely no value whatsoever in anything you have to say on the subject.

All of these comments are based on your posts and vitriolic attacks on my favourite club - the only one I have ever supported and the only one I ever will.
I will support this team whether they are brilliant or brick, and I will never, ever descend to the shocking levels of apathethic, carping and frankly awful levels of what you prefer to call supporting Tottenham Hotspur.

In fact - I'd say that as a supporter, you are a disgrace. The club does not need support like this, the players certainly don't, and I'd rather not see it on here.

 

[africanspurs]

You seem to have not read my posts.

It is not about the last three games (albeit they nail home the point prette f*cking hard). It is not about just results, even.

It is about us not playing well and not having done so for quite some time.

you voiced it then when we have played well (or gotten decent results) for a long period of the season? and just so i'm clued in with what you're saying...how long have you felt like this? the games within that period should certainly highlight our bad in game performances

one more thing....it shouldnt shock you that i haven't read your post in particular as i was commenting on the general message sent in the first post. i am aware that the comment did sound patronising but i couldnt think of a better way to get the point across as fully as i could in as short sentences. you then responded to me which is why i wouldnt have been able to read what you said about the matter

so if you'll just give me a time span i can group in the games you think we've been playing brick in.......compare it with the overall results we have obtained this season and also in tandem with other clubs in the same matches . lets get a good look at how bad we have been in relation to the reality of the competitveness of this league