thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I generally don’t listen to couch-surfing sociopaths.
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Another shooting in Murica
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I generally don’t listen to couch-surfing sociopaths.
You should, we're the future.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Wait, what? I was joking. You actually spend time on 4chan?!
greatwhitenorf
Edgar Davids
FolkestoneSpur
Neil Sullivan
You just accidently made his point for him, the next guy gets fired and back where we started.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Sadly you’re the present. Still, best we continue to squeeze amusement from you all whilst you’re still here…
Not for a few years
The next guy should have been better at his job. You can't make life failure proof
Bullet
Colin Calderwood
An interesting and relevant post from Imgur:
Not me, of course, just some random internet stranger:
I almost did something horrible. I had targets planned. I was buying guns and ammunition. I was making plans based on the priority of the intended targets.
The ONLY thing that stopped me was unlimited, unrestricted access to real mental health care.
I will say there are a number of HUGE differences between what I was doing and what *some* of these shooters are doing. I was not going after a demographic. Race, gender, and sexuality played no role in my issues.
This all happened leading up to and after my medical retirement from the Army. I had begun to despise the organization I was a part of while simultaneously feeling like I owed them everything. Everything I had been able to become was thanks to (and because of) the Army. That was bad enough. This was compounded by a situation where the chain of command's lack of action and complete lack of care for their soldiers was directly responsible for the death of one of my friends. They were relieved of command for their inaction. That wasn't enough.
A lot of people have told me the amount of anger I was dealing with was justifiable. Some people have confided in me that even though my planned actions were terrible... They could understand them. It was bad.
One of the huge differences in my story from at least some of the other mass shooters: I didn't want to do what my brain was forcing me to do. I also could not stop myself.
So I started throwing myself at the mental health facility. All in all I think I spent close to a year of my life in psych wards, both military and civilian. At one point I was discharged from the psych ward, walked out the front door, turned around and re-admitted myself. That was how little faith I had in myself to NOT do what my brain demanded.
Because of the availability of that mental heath care I was prevented from carrying out that plan. Further: because of that mental health care I was taken care of as a person and able to become a loving, caring human being again.
It's bad enough knowing that this level of (or, in many cases, ANY) mental health care is simply not available to the American public. But it's worse knowing that WHILE I was going through all of this, WHILE I was repeatedly putting myself in inpatient psych wards, WHILE I was telling anybody that would listen, including my doctors, that I was planning on doing this horrible thing....
I was still able to walk into a gun store and purchase guns with only an hour or two of wait time. I did this multiple times during this time period.
And I tell this story now because it's easy to sit back critique a situation where you can never really know the full story. I know this story because it is mine. It stands up to scrutiny because their is no situation in the story where someone can say "Well, we never really know." Yes. I do know. And I know how it was stopped. And until the exact same resources that stopped me are available to everyone: then other, more stringent, methods need to be used for the protection of everyone.
The truth is I told everyone that would listen. And there are systems in place that any one of those people could have used to prevent me from continuing to legally buy firearms, and even temporarily/permanently take away any firearms I did have. but there is such an aversion to mental health care in this country it was easier for ALL of those people to pretend I didn't mean it than it was for them to take the appropriate action.
There are countless examples of toys being banned because their unintended use caused harm. Until we create a system that takes care of the people, or their issues, that would use these toys to cause harm then these toys need to be removed from public access.
Sorry, they're "tools" right? Not toys.
TLDR; Didn't do something horrible because of access to mental health care.
Not me, of course, just some random internet stranger:
I almost did something horrible. I had targets planned. I was buying guns and ammunition. I was making plans based on the priority of the intended targets.
The ONLY thing that stopped me was unlimited, unrestricted access to real mental health care.
I will say there are a number of HUGE differences between what I was doing and what *some* of these shooters are doing. I was not going after a demographic. Race, gender, and sexuality played no role in my issues.
This all happened leading up to and after my medical retirement from the Army. I had begun to despise the organization I was a part of while simultaneously feeling like I owed them everything. Everything I had been able to become was thanks to (and because of) the Army. That was bad enough. This was compounded by a situation where the chain of command's lack of action and complete lack of care for their soldiers was directly responsible for the death of one of my friends. They were relieved of command for their inaction. That wasn't enough.
A lot of people have told me the amount of anger I was dealing with was justifiable. Some people have confided in me that even though my planned actions were terrible... They could understand them. It was bad.
One of the huge differences in my story from at least some of the other mass shooters: I didn't want to do what my brain was forcing me to do. I also could not stop myself.
So I started throwing myself at the mental health facility. All in all I think I spent close to a year of my life in psych wards, both military and civilian. At one point I was discharged from the psych ward, walked out the front door, turned around and re-admitted myself. That was how little faith I had in myself to NOT do what my brain demanded.
Because of the availability of that mental heath care I was prevented from carrying out that plan. Further: because of that mental health care I was taken care of as a person and able to become a loving, caring human being again.
It's bad enough knowing that this level of (or, in many cases, ANY) mental health care is simply not available to the American public. But it's worse knowing that WHILE I was going through all of this, WHILE I was repeatedly putting myself in inpatient psych wards, WHILE I was telling anybody that would listen, including my doctors, that I was planning on doing this horrible thing....
I was still able to walk into a gun store and purchase guns with only an hour or two of wait time. I did this multiple times during this time period.
And I tell this story now because it's easy to sit back critique a situation where you can never really know the full story. I know this story because it is mine. It stands up to scrutiny because their is no situation in the story where someone can say "Well, we never really know." Yes. I do know. And I know how it was stopped. And until the exact same resources that stopped me are available to everyone: then other, more stringent, methods need to be used for the protection of everyone.
The truth is I told everyone that would listen. And there are systems in place that any one of those people could have used to prevent me from continuing to legally buy firearms, and even temporarily/permanently take away any firearms I did have. but there is such an aversion to mental health care in this country it was easier for ALL of those people to pretend I didn't mean it than it was for them to take the appropriate action.
There are countless examples of toys being banned because their unintended use caused harm. Until we create a system that takes care of the people, or their issues, that would use these toys to cause harm then these toys need to be removed from public access.
Sorry, they're "tools" right? Not toys.
TLDR; Didn't do something horrible because of access to mental health care.
FolkestoneSpur
Neil Sullivan
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
The Tulsa shooting is the nation's 233rd mass shooting in 2022 !!!
If i'm the one with gun. Definitely bad.
You're forgetting their remit, shoot first and ask questions/evaluate situation later.