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Another Club on the brink..........

Southcote Spur

Jason Dozzell
By Brian McLauchlin
BBC Scotland

Hearts are warning fans the club might not survive until the end of the month after receiving a winding-up order over a tax bill of almost £450,000.

The Edinburgh club issued a plea for "emergency backing" from supporters to avoid the prospect of administration.

"This isn't a bluff, this isn't scaremongering, this is reality," read a statement from Hearts.

"Without the support of fans there is a real risk that Hearts could possibly play its last game on 17 November."

Hearts host St Mirren on that date, with the men in maroon travelling to Inverness this weekend.

The latest matter is unrelated to a £1.75m tax bill Hearts are currently contesting.

The bill, which has led to what is the sixth winding up order placed on the club in three years, is understood to be for unpaid PAYE and VAT and Hearts have eight days to pay or the order will be enforced by the court.

Hearts, who have confirmed that the amount due is £449,692.04, say they are hoping to reach agreement with HMRC over a repayment plan.

The Edinburgh club, owned by Lithuanian-based banker Vladimir Romanov, are appealing for fans to invest in a recent share offer and to turn out in numbers for the next three home games.

"Discussions on whose name is above the door, talk about how the money has been spent and debate on whether the investment in silverware has been appropriate is all natural but quite simply worthless at this moment in time," adds the club statement.

"The only valid debate now is how can you help the club.


Hearts are owned by Lithuanian-based banker Vladimir Romanov
"This club has been supported for the last seven years by generous funding from the majority shareholding business Ukio Banko Investicine Grupe (UBIG) and we continue to seek the support of UBIG at this stage.

"However, no business is immune to the financial realities of the current global economy and for this reason the club's reliance on its supporters is greater than at any point in the last seven years.

"Our partners, our opponents, media, football bodies, many others - all are watching and judging how we will respond to the challenge. If we cannot demonstrate that we are united and we represent a force then there will be no due respect to the club from anyone around.

"Without your help now, we could be entering the final days of the club's existence.

"There are limited options for the board of directors to take to avoid the catastrophic consequences that a funding shortfall would mean for the club.

"In a footballing sense alone Hearts will suffer an immediate 17-point penalty [for going into administration]. This would just be the start of a painful process that will affect every one of us and could lead to far more damaging actions that threaten the very existence of the club."

SPL rules on clubs going into administration were changed over the summer, with clubs receiving a minimum 15-point deduction or losing a third of the previous season's total.

Meanwhile, it is understood Hearts are unlikely to face any immediate sanctions from the Scottish Premier League over the non-payment of tax.

The only sanction for not paying HMRC on time is a registration embargo and the club already have this sanction in place for the late payment of salaries to players.

The SPL has been informed and could take further action if payment is not paid within the eight-day deadline.

Hearts insist the petition "has only recently been presented" to them.

Earlier, a club spokesperson said: "We would be hopeful that HMRC will accept that winding up the club would be totally unnecessary."

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Not a dig at you but I couldn't give a fudge lol! Oviedo, hearts whoever my only concern is THFC.
 
This.


if other clubs have fudged themselves over financially then they only have themselves to blame.

I disagree. Football as a whole loses when a club goes under, often literally as well as metaphorarically. The way that most transfers are structured, other clubs are always hit when a club folds.

When people say that they do not care about other clubs going under they should think back to how close we were before Sugar bought us.
 
Nonsense Milo.

If a club has overspent, they DESERVE to go under and start again.

I only wish it happened properly to Leeds, Chelsea etc.

Their rash overspending kept us out of the Champions League for many years, so it penalised us massively over the last couple of decades... now they must get what they are due.

Reap what you sow.
 
I disagree. Football as a whole loses when a club goes under, often literally as well as metaphorarically. The way that most transfers are structured, other clubs are always hit when a club folds.

When people say that they do not care about other clubs going under they should think back to how close we were before Sugar bought us.

We were always going to attract a buyer though surely?

On your other point if hearts went bust it wouldn't affect THFC that was why I said I don't care.
 
Nonsense Milo.

If a club has overspent, they DESERVE to go under and start again.

I only wish it happened properly to Leeds, Chelsea etc.

Their rash overspending kept us out of the Champions League for many years, so it penalised us massively over the last couple of decades... now they must get what they are due.

Reap what you sow.

I'm quite happy for the owners to suffer for their bad decisions but it is not the fans' fault and they are the ones who end up suffering. How would you feel if Spurs ceased to exist?
 
We were always going to attract a buyer though surely?

On your other point if hearts went bust it wouldn't affect THFC that was why I said I don't care.

The only other interested party at the time Sugar bought us was Robert Maxwell and that would have been an absolute disaster and GHod knows where that would have ended.
 
My concern is for those excellent fans who sang their hearts out (no pun intended) at 'the Lane last year. I guess I look at the Portsmouth's and the Rangers of this world and think "there but, for the grace of GHod".
 
My concern is for those excellent fans who sang their hearts out (no pun intended) at 'the Lane last year. I guess I look at the Portsmouth's and the Rangers of this world and think "there but, for the grace of GHod".

Exactly my feelings. I can't imagine life without Spurs.
 
Spending more money then they have will always backfire on clubs, something supporters should accept before they start screaming for more players and higher transfer fees to be laid out.
 
Spending more money then they have will always backfire on clubs, something supporters should accept before they start screaming for more players and higher transfer fees to be laid out.

I look forward to such restraint being shown on here in January rather than the usual calls for us to just pay what the selling club want and give player x whatever wages his agent is asking for.
 
I look forward to such restraint being shown on here in January rather than the usual calls for us to just pay what the selling club want and give player x whatever wages his agent is asking for.


Could not agree more, but you do know that will not happen.
 
I'm quite happy for the owners to suffer for their bad decisions but it is not the fans' fault and they are the ones who end up suffering. How would you feel if Spurs ceased to exist?

It appears Hearts have been finishing ahead of other Scottish clubs, due to their overspending.

Hibs and other clubs have failed to make Europe due to this.

Therefore the whole of Hearts (owners, fans, everyone) deserve the punishment, as they enjoyed the glory. And Hibs and other clubs deserve to make Europe at Hearts' expense.



If Spurs like Chelsea had overspent, made Champions League, spent loads on Tore Andre Flo, Dan Petrescu, Ruud Gullit, Vialli, Hasselbaink and 50 other expensive ageing stars, won cups and leagues, and then gone bust, I would consider that a fair deal as we shouldn't have had all those things.

Their overspending directly affects all other clubs, they deserve to go out of business, without question. And they can start again and taste some humble pie.
 
The Hearts owner is a proper tosser

Consitently not paying players for months on purpose because the players apparentlly 'don't perform'
 
My concern is for those excellent fans who sang their hearts out (no pun intended) at 'the Lane last year. I guess I look at the Portsmouth's and the Rangers of this world and think "there but, for the grace of GHod".

And i think of their fans at the leg in edinburgh who were picking off tinkled up yids on their own leaving pubs and simply say fudge EM
 
I disagree. Football as a whole loses when a club goes under, often literally as well as metaphorarically. The way that most transfers are structured, other clubs are always hit when a club folds.

When people say that they do not care about other clubs going under they should think back to how close we were before Sugar bought us.
Yep, same here. It's not the fans fault - it's the fault of the corrupt bosses running the game and an inability to run the club within its means.

That being said, if Chelsea went under I wouldn't give two bricks
 
I look forward to such restraint being shown on here in January rather than the usual calls for us to just pay what the selling club want and give player x whatever wages his agent is asking for.

Unless we have access to the balance sheet - we'd never know if DL is placing the club on the brink of bankruptcy by contemplating a 20 or 25m player

On a separate note - we've been profitable in most transfer windows over the lat 4-5 years
 
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Nonsense Milo.

If a club has overspent, they DESERVE to go under and start again.

I only wish it happened properly to Leeds, Chelsea etc.

Their rash overspending kept us out of the Champions League for many years, so it penalised us massively over the last couple of decades... now they must get what they are due.

Reap what you sow.

The club might as a business or company, the irresponsible owners certainly deserve it.

I don't think the fans deserve it though.
 
I'm quite happy for the owners to suffer for their bad decisions but it is not the fans' fault and they are the ones who end up suffering. How would you feel if Spurs ceased to exist?

Which is why football clubs shouldn't belong to individuals, but the fans. At least 51% like in Germany. Spending should be limited relative to a club's income and overspending should be penalised by point deductions. Here I'm talking about using loans to cover an overblown wage budget, not how to deal with sugar daddies.
 
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