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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 83 77.6%

  • Out

    Votes: 24 22.4%
  • Total voters
    107
Out

We're getting worse. Our best spell was 14 months ago. I dont think Ange is elite enough to work at this level. And the players seem confused/aren't buying in.

Let Lange bring in his guy to work with the players he's been assembling
 
In. Give him the season and if he's top 8, give him another one. I've always been very skeptical that his tactics could be successful albeit I love his ideals and think it'd be great for the game if he could turn things around. And most managers who are eventually successful go through a rough patch. I think this rough patch will get rougher too given the fixture list and absentee list.
 
Robspur12 said:
Oh fudge it in for the rest of season. Inducted into the hall of fame if we beat Chelsea.
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Doubt it we have ahit the bed against them and Arsenal under ange. The writing is on the wall I’m afraid, we win it will just prolong the inevitable, if we lose then there will be a big call for the immediate dismissal. When it gets to this situation it’s a matter of when rather than if
 
I voted in, here's why.

Short term.
Injuries. Yeah I know, every team has injuries.
But we have one fit member of our first choice defence.
Injuries are also impacting on our rotation so kulu, Porro and Udogie are getting run into the ground.

Medium term.
We have a considerable amount of youngsters, all with very high potential.

Also look at our peers (the real one's, not the joke doped one's) villa and Saudi Sportswashing Machine.
Both are further into the project than we are and are going through exactly the same growing pains we are.
Villa are struggling with CL and Saudi Sportswashing Machine aren't even Europe have spent money, have players and a manager that I keep hearing are great. They're below us in the table ffs.

Long term.
Who is there out there?
Potter, failed at Chelsea, ah but Chelsea are a basket case. Poch did alright and this new guy doing great. Potter did well at Brighton, yes he did, but Brighton haven't missed a beat since he left.
Maybe it wasn't Potter.

Iraola? Doing OK Bournemouth, if we are questioning ange and his background then are we really going to go with a guy that has managed larnaca and mirandes? Seriously!

The Ipswich manager.
Two stints as u18 coach and Ipswich, fudge me. I wrote this off as more GB BS but others are falling in with it. Really, I mean really!

Emery, three EL trophies and a failure at arsenal, howe, supposedly a fantastic manager, neither pulling up trees at the moment. But I don't hear calls for their heads.

So let's be serious, look at who we are comparing ourselves with,
City. So far above us on every level it's laughable, and there is not thing we can do about it.

Liverpool. A new manager that inherited s well oiled and funded machine. Has benefited from the collapse at city this season. Klopp must be kicking himself.

Arsenal. Doing all the stuff on the pitch we don't want to do. Dark arts, defensive football, supporting rapists, and so much further into their project and still can't get over the line.

Chelsea. I had my doubts at the stories of their imminent downfall. The roosterroaches of football, they will always find a way to survive and thrive, no matter how much brick it takes.

Man utd. The biggest club in the country, probably the biggest or second biggest in the world. Bin fire, despite all the money, fame, dodgy decisions and other stuff on the pitch we are actually doing OK in comparison.
But we should not be measuring ourselves against these clubs.
We are not in that group, we aspire to be, but that is not going to happen quickly because there are others who are also trying to get there.

Lastly, thank fudge say you, we have IMHO two maybe thrre players who are not playing to the system, senior players who are doing their own thing on the ball.
This kind of behaviour needs to be weeded out and again that is not going to happen overnight, not when we are still building.

I personally don't think we should even entertain a new man until we are out of the cups next season.
 
In for me, we have to stop this stupid manager merry go round and give someone a chance to actually embed something. Said it before, Arteta’s league positions of 8th/8th/5th/2nd/2nd shows it takes time to build something and they look lost in their first 3 seasons really, collapsing completely on the third from being safe in CL spots.

We need transfer windows, we have a basis of a young squad but the key for me will be the next 2/3 windows where hopefully we add quality over quantity.
 
In, and if we have further to fall let’s do it with Ange and lean on the rest of the club officials to improve everything they do and clear out the rot.

I appreciate Ange has more latitude than previous managers under Enic, not because he is special, but because the rot runs too deep.
 
I'm starting to lean towards out.

Yes we have injuries and can't rotate at the moment, but he wasn't rotating before either. Just played the same players until they physically had to be replaced.
Spence is having another year of not playing football, Lankshear not much better and he needs to be playing some type. Let him play for the academy and sit on the bench as well.

He has said a few times he needs to find the answer to the problems we are having, and I'm not seeing anything to show we are turning this around.

Most games we look half interested in jogging around with some players pressing and noone getting back when they break. Over a year and we still play a slow tempo game where the players come out and say we played too slow....
 
Baleforce said:
I’ve been critical of his system for a long time, even if it worked I’d hate it, and his attitude to the game.

I feel like it’s pretty obvious it will never work.

It’s only going to get worse from here on in.

Out for me. I’d do it tomorrow.

I take the point on sticking with a manager for a longer period, but it has to be a better manger than this.
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The highlighted part is a very valid point. But I have to ask, at what point is Levy answerable for all of these managers that haven’t worked out? Even if you just limit the discussion to 2019 onwards which is when Poch left, Levy has tried win now managers (Jose and Conte), counter attacking managers (Nuno) and now a progressive, attack-minded coach. We’ve tried pretty much everything.
 
Jurgen the German said:
The highlighted part is a very valid point. But I have to ask, at what point is Levy answerable for all of these managers that haven’t worked out? Even if you just limit the discussion to 2019 onwards which is when Poch left, Levy has tried win now managers (Jose and Conte), counter attacking managers (Nuno) and now a progressive, attack-minded coach. We’ve tried pretty much everything.
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I think Levy was too quick to get rid of Nuno and Jose, Conte leaving was more about his understandable personal situation.

I think he was too slow to get rid of Poch, and I think he’s too slow on Ange now.

You know how I feel about AVB.

He’s never been great at these timings to be honest, but there was logic in every hire. He’s answerable on all of them to some degree, but he’s running the shop.
 
Haha same old nonsense. Missing players away at a side on form…what do people expect?

Fans - it seems - are unable to look beyond results. Unable to look at the way we play and the clear plan.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Haha same old nonsense. Missing players away at a side on form…what do people expect?

Fans - it seems - are unable to look beyond results. Unable to look at the way we play and the clear plan.
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What plan did you see last night?

I hate the way we play, even when we win the opposition have multiple chances.
 
Jurgen the German said:
The highlighted part is a very valid point. But I have to ask, at what point is Levy answerable for all of these managers that haven’t worked out? Even if you just limit the discussion to 2019 onwards which is when Poch left, Levy has tried win now managers (Jose and Conte), counter attacking managers (Nuno) and now a progressive, attack-minded coach. We’ve tried pretty much everything.
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Ange is the right type, just the wrong individual. I dont know if its his inability to transition to the highest level, or his poor communication, but something is definitely off.

The likes of Iraola or Mckenna are progressive attack-minded coaches too.
 
Man management/general persona - in
Playing style/general setup - in
Situational/in game management - out (so many head scratchers in the last 2 games).

I see no point in changing now, but we need to understand this is going to get worse before it’s gets better. It’s relistic that we finish 8th-12th this season.

It would be good to know who’s signing the players. We’re needing to turn to players now who simply aren’t ready, and we’ve also spunked a lot of cash.
 
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