Mikey10
Paul Robinson
When he was appointed I seem to remember the narrative being that this was the clear signal that we were changing our way of operating following the move into the new stadium.
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Ange in or out?
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When he was appointed I seem to remember the narrative being that this was the clear signal that we were changing our way of operating following the move into the new stadium.
It's all well and good saying everyone knows how the club operates - Yeah Conte did, hence why he rejected us first time round. The thing is no one here actually knows what Levy was saying to him when trying to sell him the job. With the new(ish) stadium and desperate to get Conte in after the previous managerial appointment pantomime, Levy might have been implying deals would get done quicker/first choice targets recruited. We made some decent enough signings, but was 60m Richarlison really the forward he wanted/expected? Was Bissouma the midfield general he desired? It's all well and good saying he should just get on with it, but a premium manager has high expectations for the recruitment side and if Levy over promised and under delivered he had every right to call him out....
Silly McSilly Face
Gheorge Popescu
You'll never back Conte the way he feels he needs. He's thrown his toys out at every club he's ever managed.
Silly McSilly Face
Gheorge Popescu
Conte has never been happy with his backing at any club he's been at. He always gobs off at the club when his results deteriorate. He's left pretty much every club he's coached with a couple of years in acrimonious circumstances. There has been a clear change in the club's transfer dealings since we moved to the new stadium. It started with the N'Dombele and Lo Celso deals and we regularly sign players in the £40-£60 million bracket now. Being able to pay a significant part of Bale's wages for a season was also a significant departure from before.
People don't acknowledge it but the way we operate in the market and our willingness to spend big is fundamentally different now to how it has been in the past. Conte got as good a backing as he could expect.
Bissouma was probably the best midfielder in the PL outside the top 6 and likewise Richarlison was probably the best forward in the same category. Likewise Maddison and Solanke were clearly the stand-out attainable AM and forward in the PL when we bought them and had both come off insane seasons statswise. Our willingness to spend big on ready-made PL players has seen a sea-change.
I don't think anyone has questioned that we spend money, the criticism/question has always been around what we are spending money on. Sure, you can say we spend 150/200m in a window or whatever but are these genuine game changers or just decent players? We could spend such a budget on two real top class signings (perhaps not now as we wont be able to attract them) but don't because that would require us pushing the boat out in terms of wages.
The fact you suggest the likes of Richarlison and Bissouma is the best Conte could hope for, two players we are likely looking to sell - along with Maddison now who many deem not good enough for where we want to go says it all. Whether Conte has form for complaining or not, if he wasnt given the tools he was promised then he's absolutely within his rights to...
glasgowspur
Colin Calderwood
Other than the comments about spence was conte really throwing shade at levy and the board, or was it at the club?
OK the chairman and board set the tone, but surely professional elite sportsmen should have enough drive and pride in themselves to not be putting in the some of the performances that our players do and have done for a long, long time.
OK the chairman and board set the tone, but surely professional elite sportsmen should have enough drive and pride in themselves to not be putting in the some of the performances that our players do and have done for a long, long time.
ricky2tricky4city
Nayim
Conte is a winner (in his own head), he came to a club that rarely wins and swims in a pond of 3 or 4 regular winners.
He was given the resources the club could afford (not forgetting an unheard of cash injection of up to £150m from the owners). This was not enough despite being the most we could give, and/or Conte was not good enough.
He couldn't do it in a tough league.
He did it in a tough league when he had the most resources.
He gets angry when he can't do it. Also not forgetting he had a tough year personally.
The end.
He was given the resources the club could afford (not forgetting an unheard of cash injection of up to £150m from the owners). This was not enough despite being the most we could give, and/or Conte was not good enough.
He couldn't do it in a tough league.
He did it in a tough league when he had the most resources.
He gets angry when he can't do it. Also not forgetting he had a tough year personally.
The end.
glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
All true, but nothing that any basic football observer worth their salt wouldn't have known beforehand. The questions become:
1) why appoint someone like Conte if you're not going to give him the resources he usually needs to succeed?
2) If you know Conte, you know he relies heavily on his wing-backs: why buy him Spence unless he had given the TOTAL green light to get him? Understandable to bget Spence if you had ALREADY bought him his preferred option (you could then set about loaning Spence out for future use etc content in the knowledge you had at least placated Conte for "the present"; after appointing Conte was only for "the present", right?)
Conte (for all his faults) did show that the way the club operated had NOT really changed since the opening of the stadium: they'd carried on operating like we still had Pochettino, not just once (Jose) but twice (Jose AND Conte). The excuses have run dry for me
We were never able to attract players in the 100m range, it's not just now. Any 100m player is looking for a team that regularly wins trophies and top wages. We could push the boat out on wages for one or two players, but we're not exactly a guarantee of a trophy and never have been outside a few years.
ricky2tricky4city
Nayim
A basic football observer...like Conte?.
Your last paragraph is just not factually true.
glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
Yes, like Conte. I wonder how we persuaded him to join us, especially after he first turned us down...hmmm
What is factually wrong about my last paragraph?
Grays_1890
Les Howe
I like to bathe in custard.
ricky2tricky4city
Nayim
Today's presser....
Ange really has got the hump with modern media whether that's the hacks or SM. And who can blame him..... everything's birthed in negativity.
I would say he'd always given the impression, verbally, that he was non affected and above it. BUT it's pressing his buttons...and that comes internally from him.
Ange really has got the hump with modern media whether that's the hacks or SM. And who can blame him..... everything's birthed in negativity.
I would say he'd always given the impression, verbally, that he was non affected and above it. BUT it's pressing his buttons...and that comes internally from him.
fernadez
Justin Edinburgh
I think he's been treated more than fairly the media. He's trying to frame it as a campaign and witch hunt but in fact they've been gentle with him.
Same goes for the support both from fans and players. If you compare what he's achieved at Tottenham to the level of backing he's got, he's seriously in debt.
Mikey10
Paul Robinson
Classic deflection. Last week it was VAR.
Silly McSilly Face
Gheorge Popescu
Everything wouldn't be birthed in negativity if we hadn't played like dogsh*t in most of our games going back to the Chelsea home game last season. Everything was all "wow Angeball" and Robbie Williams serenading in those early 10 games....if that had continued they'd all be right up his backside and eating out of his hands. It's just the way it goes....
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
Where has Ange wanted 'cheque book support' like the other two?
I remember him suggesting reinforcements were important in January due to circumstances.
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
Do you honestly believe he thought he ever would be, given he rejected us that summer? My point about Conte was always that he would blow the whistle and call it the moment he felt it. He didn't. He sat and waited for his moment, throwing everyone under the bus in the process. He was NOT what he says he is!
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
Great points, and if he was 'subverted' early I'd have expected him to either quit or threaten to quit at that moment.
Muttley
Alan Hutton
It's blatantly obvious that it's affecting him. At the moment nobody knows which Ange is going to turn up at any presser. This one was one of those where he came out like a volcano where nobody knew whether it was going to be an effusive or violent eruption of magma.
I've said many times that Ange sorts of understands the routine of the journo's asking tough questions and he knows how to evade the ones that give him discomfort. He totally didn't answer the penalty pecking order question and thought that moment had passed. When Ange gets spiky and rude is when the follow-up question around the same topic comes up from the same journo, or even another. Being spiky and aggressive is another technique he uses to bat it away.
What I found interesting today was when the journo said the word "Brennan" again and he got really defensive and started being aggressive towards him. He never checked himself to listen to this next question which was totally unrelated to the first. He just made himself look a prat again, and showed us once more that it is all affecting him. Why wouldn't it be? He's only human. The next question about Odobert and Johnson was exactly the type he loves and he answered it very well. It was nothing to do with the first.
In that little phase of the interview you could see Ange's frame of mind. It's not good. I was hoping that someone at the club would help Ange get back to a non-emotional and even jovial response in these tough situations. He's coming across as very spiky and he's not helping his own case or brand. That is even knowing that a lot of the time he is so right in his observations.