I would be intrigued by him, but after this 'experiment' I think we will rightly go for someone more proven in this league.
I think Poch/Silva/Frank will be the type of candidates over a Ireola/McKenna type....
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Ange in or out?
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I think Poch/Silva/Frank will be the type of candidates over a Ireola/McKenna type....
veryoldspur
Carlo Cudicini
Absolutely, I believe that even with the injuries we should be in the top ten, and without them top six. In fact with a couple of decent signing and a new manager top four is a reasonable ask. Like I said in another post, I don't think we should judge our existing players too harshly, as they have been poorly coached, and despite what they may say in public, I don't think they have any faith in Ange. I like to watch Ange during the game, he stands with his arms crossed looking at the game like a rabbit looks into the headlights of oncoming traffic. He hasn't got a clue
veryoldspur
Carlo Cudicini
I find it strange how people forget how awful we were under Poch for the last year of his tenure, and only remember everything prior to that. He didn't do particularly well at PSG considering the players they had, and he was a complete failure at Chelsea. I look back with affection, but I wouldn't want him back
yiddo37
Gudni Bergsson
yiddo37
Gudni Bergsson
I agree with most of that.
However I'd like to think his last season with us was due to the lack of investment and refreshing of the squad. As for Chelsea I think he'd just started to make them into a very decent side when he was sacked. His side looked better than the one we faced on Thursday imo.
No I agree, I still think he would be a consideration but I wouldn't want him back personally....
Yiddo
Tom Huddlestone
Didn’t he get Lo Celso, Ndombele and Sessegnon in that last season?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
About 6 or 7 weeks before he left.
DeanoAustin
Paul Walsh
He had Chelsea motoring at the end of last season. No way he was a complete failure there (or PSG IMO). The trajectory at Chelsea was similar to here. Poor start having inherited a brickshow and they looked very strong by the season’s end.
On “Ange will get the Europa”, I don’t understand the argument for it. It is our last slim chance at getting European football, giving ourselves some form of platform for next season, winning a trophy and bolstering the finances. To try to prove a point with it or to worry how it would look if Ange was fired now is un-Levylike and none of that should be a consideration. It should be about giving us the best chance to win it and that is not Ange.
Baleforce
Vinnie Samways
I agree with a lot of that, but he's so much better than the current guy I'd be rooster a hoop to swap.
I think the fact is if Ange was going to get sacked for our league position it would have happened a long time ago. He is obviously being given the season until we can get a candidate in because no decent ones would jump ship mid season. And the thing about once out of the Europa is that things will likely turn more toxic than they are currently as many fans are clinging onto that but there will be nothing left once that's gone and the atmosphere will likely be absolutely horrible.
Oh and I personally don't agree that getting rid of Ange gives us a better chance assuming that it will be Mason and co coming in. I'd still stick with him over that show yet again personally....
DeanoAustin
Paul Walsh
I think you’re probably right. I’d have pulled the trigger after Everton. That was breaking point for me, Leicester put the tin hat on it.
Each week, things are getting worse though. Thursday night was a poor performance, the stuff with the crowd after while his comments in press conferences indicate a massive fault line between him and the club/fans. If we don’t win today, I’m putting on a crash helmet because it’ll turn very ugly. His position gets more untenable by the week IMO. I actually think Mason would have a slightly better chance of winning the Europa but that might be coloured by how tinkled off at Ange I am right now.
veryoldspur
Carlo Cudicini
My dog is better than what we have at present, but that isn't a reason to employ her
stratnumberone
Jason Dozzell
If it was a male dog, though….
jts1882
Dean Richards
I'm torn about giving another season, based on the goals record. Is there something freaky about this season or is it related to Ange's strategy.
We are currently second for goals scored, 6th on GD, and mid-table on goals conceded despite all the injuries. Before the Liverpool game we were top four on all three although already many points behind the others. Why are we getting less points than others?
We are currently second for goals scored, 6th on GD, and mid-table on goals conceded despite all the injuries. Before the Liverpool game we were top four on all three although already many points behind the others. Why are we getting less points than others?
- Our current GD is +13, while Forest are +14. They have 20 points more than us.
- We have scored 58 and conceded 45. Villa are 46-46. They've scored 12 goals less than us and conceded one more, but have 14 more points
- City are 57-40, one less goals scored and only five less conceded. Yet they have 14 points more than us.
- Brighton are 49-47. Nine goals less scored and two more conceded but ten points ahead of us.
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Mikey10
Paul Robinson
None of which counts for much if we can’t win games.
Legohamster
Jack Jull
Defence wins titles
We can't defend and he's not really suggested it's something he's overly bothered with
Chrissivad
Edgar Davids
Don't just look at goals scored though.
Winning 3-0 and losing 3-2 will always make that look good, and with the team we have we should be scoring plenty of goals.
But there are too many games where we don't just look like we won't score, but we can't even create chances to get a shot on target.
The CM is always out played when put under pressure and having to defend and then we always give other teams at least 1 great chance to score.
Lost Mango
Neil Sullivan
True but isn't that jts's point?
We are scoring plenty. We aren't conceding anything unusual in terms of numbers so this idea we can't defend for toffee is questionable. Why have the results not come?
I wouldn't give him another season personally but I haven't seen an explanation in all the Ange-bashing that explains why we are in such a different position to what our GD would normally suggest .... especially as we haven't regularly thumped teams to boost the GS side of things.
the main complaint seems to be that he doesn't coach defence and that our full backs push up and in and leave massive gaps - which may be true but is no worse them Emery and Nuno are achieving and they are top 5.