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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

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    Votes: 93 62.4%

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    Votes: 56 37.6%
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Raziel said:
That's fair, and I suspect the club was in line with that

But, big difference between being 8th-10th with players like Bergvall, Gray, Wilson, Yang developing, and being 15th with worse form in the league.

No way the side we put out on Sunday should be 3-0 down at HT to that Everton side.
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That wasn't down to the kids though.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Gray and Bergval are learning on the job though. I see numerous examples every match with their positioning and decision making. They will both be better for it and I think in 2 years' time both players will be superb. However, I don't think either would be close to starting at present for one of the top teams.

Note that I'm happy for us to cotinue to sign mostly really talented young players who still have a 1 to 3 years development before being truly ready. We just have to be patient for a year or two if that is to be our MO.
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Agree, they wouldn't be in our best eleven either.

For all the Biss bashing, this guy isn't passive in the work he does in midfield. He wants to be in control in there an mostly is, especially when he's got the right person around him. Bents has so much to his game as well, and can dominate the opposition and be classy with it. Sarr is more raw, but grinds his man down by being in his face for the entire match. 2 out of these 3 would start in my best eleven, not the 18 year olds.

The good news is there's plenty of space in a match day squad for 16 players to contribute.
 
Muttley said:
Yeah, ideally we'd have multiple opinions. This guy could have easily just written nice things because he's mates with Ange. It's actually a very balanced article for the BBC. I was expecting it to be a load of Ange bashing. I'm glad it wasn't.

First time I'd watched the post match interview that's in the same link. I would have told Ange to fudge off if I was that interviewer. He was rude and disrespectful to someone who is doing their job. In that moment, he let our club down. It was actually a fair question.

This is the side of Ange that is unfortunately rearing its ugly head. Ange needs someone like Munn to sit him down and tell him he is letting his ego get in the way of being objective.
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I don't see a massive issue with that bit of the interview to be honest. What the reporter led with was a bit of a dig albeit it was a fairly innocuous dig. Ange bit and let him know and then conducted the rest of the interview pretty well.

He's definitely like Fergie when it comes to the media. That exchange was a milder version of the famous clip when Fergie is asked about the strength of the Premier League because English teams were "struggling in Europe". He tells the reporter they weren't struggling and gets up and walks out.

Ange should be dealing with this stuff a bit better in my opinion but I wouldn't be hammering him too much for it.
 
harr1984 said:
Have you actually read the article? :D

"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more. So that stopped the centre-backs having to run in behind as often.

"As the game model and philosophy settled, that reduced injuries.

"At the moment, that is the problem at Tottenham. He has not got the squad.

"They have had a change of medical staff in the background in the last year as well, on top of all the other issues."
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The concern with this is one I've felt is an underlying issue. Ange did very well at Celtic where he had the best squad in the country and the relative gap between his squad and the majority of the rest was huge.

At Spurs he doesn't have the best squad and we are unlikely to purchase established players who can play his style. So can he develop the promising younger players enough while keeping his head above water results wise at the same time? I'm not really sure because i struggle to say any players have really improved under his tenure. Porro did initially defensively, but this season he's regressed back to where he was.
 
It levy is worth anything in redemption he should get don carlo in this summer and actually back him with ready made players
…. Pure fantasy….
 
Raziel said:
That's fair, and I suspect the club was in line with that

But, big difference between being 8th-10th with players like Bergvall, Gray, Wilson, Yang developing, and being 15th with worse form in the league.

No way the side we put out on Sunday should be 3-0 down at HT to that Everton side.
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Suspect we will end up finishing around 10th as we get players back.

A combined Everton Spurs side put out on Sunday would likely have contained more Everton players than Spurs ones and that is even before you consider how our players are massively more fatigued than Everton's due to our increased number of fixtures and injury issues.

It is never acceptable to be 3 down at half-time but the fact the players attempted to fight back in the second half tells me that they are still trying to play for the manager.

I think some on here are seriously underestimating what a massive part fatigue plays in football and how hard it is to play when fatigued.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I don't see a massive issue with that bit of the interview to be honest. What the reporter led with was a bit of a dig albeit it was a fairly innocuous dig. Ange bit and let him know and then conducted the rest of the interview pretty well.

He's definitely like Fergie when it comes to the media. That exchange was a milder version of the famous clip when Fergie is asked about the strength of the Premier League because English teams were "struggling in Europe". He tells the reporter they weren't struggling and gets up and walks out.

Ange should be dealing with this stuff a bit better in my opinion but I wouldn't be hammering him too much for it.
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When Fergie did it, he had walked that talk and sat at the top of the pile.

We're talking about a second season guy who has it all to prove in the PL. Has he earned that right to be gnarly and get away with it? Nope.
 
Bishop said:
The concern with this is one I've felt is an underlying issue. Ange did very well at Celtic where he had the best squad in the country and the relative gap between his squad and the majority of the rest was huge.

At Spurs he doesn't have the best squad and we are unlikely to purchase established players who can play his style. So can he develop the promising younger players enough while keeping his head above water results wise at the same time? I'm not really sure because i struggle to say any players have really improved under his tenure. Porro did initially defensively, but this season he's regressed back to where he was.
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Several have improved under him I'd say - Porro, Spence, Bergval, Gray, Bissouma, Kulusevski, Richarlison, perhaps Solanke. Until we get some back and can play on reasonably equal terms with our opponents in terms of levels of fatigue it is really difficult to be able to tell. Football is a team game and our team are playing at a major disadvantage to our opponents in every game at present.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I'm not sure I know of a single manager in football who isn't gnarly when their team is on a bad run.
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You're probably right. We should also be aware that there is no other public speaker for the club right now. I'm sure we all used to enjoy the Fabio interviews. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm not see a club comms plan to put Munn in the spotlight right now. That would be a good thing.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Several have improved under him I'd say - Porro, Spence, Bergval, Gray, Bissouma, Kulusevski, Richarlison, perhaps Solanke. Until we get some back and can play on reasonably equal terms with our opponents in terms of levels of fatigue it is really difficult to be able to tell. Football is a team game and our team are playing at a major disadvantage to our opponents in every game at present.
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Players have improved under him, the bigger underlying issue with Ange is the inability to win close games.

Not sure if having the full team changes that, it might just increase the number of games we blow some teams away.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Several have improved under him I'd say - Porro, Spence, Bergval, Gray, Bissouma, Kulusevski, Richarlison, perhaps Solanke. Until we get some back and can play on reasonably equal terms with our opponents in terms of levels of fatigue it is really difficult to be able to tell. Football is a team game and our team are playing at a major disadvantage to our opponents in every game at present.
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I don't know if I quite agree to be honest. Kulu is just back playing at the level he was when he first joined us and back in his preferred position. I don't know if I would say he's improved or just playing where he should be and where she himself said he plays best.

The young ones like Bergvall and Gray, it's way too early to be saying he's improved them. They've just come to the league, we've not seen a lower level of performance from them to say they've actually improved. Spence is the same guy we saw at Forest, he's just finally being given a chance again I find that a bit difficult to say he's improved him.

Porro and Bissouma have shown moments but as I mentioned with Porro his level has dropped back to where he was before and Bissouma has shown sparks of his Brighton form but that again isn't an improvement it's just back to his norm after being poor for Conte.

Solanke isn't any better than he was at Bournemouth, not is Richy better than his Everton days.

Johnson who you didn't mention has improved his finishing and finding goal positions so we can give him that. Otherwise Porro aside assuming he can get back to last season's form I don't really see any specific player improvements.
 
Muttley said:
You're probably right. We should also be aware that there is no other public speaker for the club right now. I'm sure we all used to enjoy the Fabio interviews. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm not see a club comms plan to put Munn in the spotlight right now. That would be a good thing.
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We miss Harry, and his “yeah you know, we’ll learn, we’ve turned the corner, pack of lions”.
 
Mikey10 said:
Genuinely interested in who you think has clearly improved.

Kulu maybe…but he was pretty decent anyhow. Can’t think of anyone else.
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Porro, yes he's fudging fatigued out and probably carrying a knock, but his better games he's improved both sides of his game (has become a viable RB in 4 atb system), his offensive output is up there with leagues best.
Deki, yes good player before but he had stalled and he had never shown consistently he could as effective in the middle vs out wide.
Johnson, his finishing and his positioning at back post/following in is a huge step up.

Several others you can see some improvement in, not saying he's an amazing coach but it's a little disingenuous to say "no player has improved"

I don't think his problem is player development, I think it's tactics and game management.
 
Legohamster said:
Tom Barclay suggesting he's safe till the cup semi.
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That makes sense and what I think. If he beats Leicester it helps if we lose in the semi, however if results don't improve and we lose some league games, as well as get knocked out at the semi, I think the feel good factor for cups is gone and he is gone.
 
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