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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 93 62.4%

  • Out

    Votes: 56 37.6%
  • Total voters
    149
glasgowspur said:
For me it's not us being any good that will save us, it that the rest are muck.
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Agreed but if Leicester get rid of RVN (can't believe they hired him in the first place) their new manager could give them a bounce. Either way we need to focus on our results and not rely on any favours; oh and not be complacent that we are too good to go down.

If anyone thinks that we are too good, just let it sink in that we have only beaten one of the teams below us this season.
 
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glorygloryeze said:
I don't get it. You've been so steadfast in your defence of Ange: almost myopic even ("we need to judge properly after 10 games in a season" etc), why is only yesterday hat changed your mind on whether he stays or goes?

I'd say there have been FAR WORSE than yesterday and much more evidence way before yesterday for you to come to that view: Brighton second half ("i didn't use any subs because i don't want to have a false victory"), reaction to dropping late points vs Roma ("Don't you just want to be entertained"), bending over for Liverpool in the league, collapse second year in a row vs Chelsea, a whole number of headless checken defensive displays...why only yesterday, when he actually did try and be flexible are you now saying he should go??
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2 reasons. He started son as CF.. that’s horrendous and I said it in advance of the game

And he changed his whole set up. It was so so bad that to me was losing his conviction of his ways.

I’ve never thought of him as a long term appointment and I’ve been clear on that but as soon as you change your way of playing, when you really didn’t need to, you have given up IMO
 
Muttley said:
Moving to 3 at the back is straightforward. As a RCB your job is to defend but you have a little more license to get forward at the right time. You should know that your wing back is always on your outside and barely leaves the touch line. Then you have the double pivot centre midfield working as a pair.

What is it with this manager that he always has to make the relatively straightforward so damn complicated? It's a true weakness.
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He played 1 CB, 1 converted CB and a CM
Was truly awful
 
Bedfordspurs said:
2 reasons. He started son as CF.. that’s horrendous and I said it in advance of the game

And he changed his whole set up. It was so so bad that to me was losing his conviction of his ways.

I’ve never thought of him as a long term appointment and I’ve been clear on that but as soon as you change your way of playing, when you really didn’t need to, you have given up IMO
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Or....you've been playing the same way for months and almost every team has been able to outdo you, so you try something different, especially with the injuries.

The lack of activity when we were collapsing vs Brighton (and in several other games) was far worse than yesterdays' failed attempt at chaging our set-up. After all, when was the last time his set-up actually looked competent?

Yesterday was bad, but i think there have been far worse episodes. At least (and i'm clutching a whole set of straws here) he was acting like a manager who acknowleged that we have got some problems rather than just saying "it's who we are, mate"
 
Robspur12 said:
Agreed but if Leicester get rid of RVN (can't believe they hired him in the first place) their new manager could give them a bounce. Either way we need to focus on our results and not rely on any favours; oh and not be complacent that we are too good to go down.
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I can't see all of Leicester, wolves and Everton getting making up the ground on us.
Maybe one, even two, but not three.
Assuming Southampton and Ipswich are out of it.
 
elyid said:
Oooh Controversial.

Even as an amateur CB switching from RCB to LCB is very different.
Angles, positioning, how comfortable you are passing the ball to the wing etc. all different. Especially if you've played on one side a lot.

Should have just stuck with a back four and put Davies LCB.
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Surely you just mirror everything?
 
Muttley said:
Behind the short term injuries, Ange has a fantastic squad. Can he get the best out of it? Not for me.
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That in a nutshell.

Whatever the tactics, some refinement is always need to go that extra mile and get the best out of the squad (even Mourihno who's known for one way of playing tweaks the finer details of how his teams play based on the players available). You also need to find the best 11 and rotate.

I just haven't seen Ange do this and don't think he's willing/able.

He was a worthy gamble, but it's failed imo.
 
elyid said:
That in a nutshell.

Whatever the tactics, some refinement is always need to go that extra mile and get the best out of the squad (even Mourihno who's known for one way of playing tweaks the finer details of how his teams play based on the players available). You also need to find the best 11 and rotate.

I just haven't seen Ange do this and don't think he's willing/able.

He was a worthy gamble, but it's failed imo.
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And I just don't see the point of prolonging the proceedings.

I always thought Ange leaving would be like the Poch - Maresco transition with the departee not doing much wrong, but the club sentiment is that the new guy can do even better. I'm probably wrong about that one as well.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Or....you've been playing the same way for months and almost every team has been able to outdo you, so you try something different, especially with the injuries.

The lack of activity when we were collapsing vs Brighton (and in several other games) was far worse than yesterdays' failed attempt at chaging our set-up. After all, when was the last time his set-up actually looked competent?

Yesterday was bad, but i think there have been far worse episodes. At least (and i'm clutching a whole set of straws here) he was acting like a manager who acknowleged that we have got some problems rather than just saying "it's who we are, mate"
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You asked me what changed
I’ve told you
 
fernadez said:
Eric Dier

'Interestingly, he really doesn't do any tactical work (in training). What he does is, every single training drill from Monday to Friday is drawn up to represent the way that he wants to play.'

I remember everyone thinking he was chatting rubbish.
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I've never seen this quote from Eric Dier but it really makes sense to me, because I've been saying on here that everything has to go well for us to get a result. When we are "on-it" and our passing is crisp and sharp and players have their tails up and confidence to beat their man then we can look really good. But if we are having an off day, one or two players are a bit sloppy or we are getting tired in the second half defending a lead it really looks like we struggle with basics like shape and discipline of positioning and so things can get ragged really quickly if we never start with that foothold in the game or we lose it to the other team's pressure. It really sounds like those players are left with nothing to fall back on from the training pitch if things are going south with "plan A".
 
fernadez said:
Eric Dier

'Interestingly, he really doesn't do any tactical work (in training). What he does is, every single training drill from Monday to Friday is drawn up to represent the way that he wants to play.'

I remember everyone thinking he was chatting rubbish.
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I don't think you can't get away with focusing only on how you play the game - I'm clearly no expert but that just screams amateur hour to me - especially at this level. I hope that quote is taken out of context but it would explain a lot (while also raising questions as to why we seemingly still can't play our own game with consistency)
 
billyiddo said:
I don't think you can't get away with focusing only on how you play the game - I'm clearly no expert but that just screams amateur hour to me - especially at this level. I hope that quote is taken out of context but it would explain a lot (while also raising questions as to why we seemingly still can't play our own game with consistency)
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Dier was only here for the first few months under Ange. I can understand at the start focusing only on the way we play in order to get the players totally comfortable with it. After that it should also take into account what the opposition does. If at this point the training doesn't then it is a concern.
 
Well this was the man himself responding


"It’s probably something you’d have to ask Eric, I don’t know what you mean by tactical work, everything we do is geared on how we are going to play our football. So for me by extension is tactical work. Whether that’s on us, or whether it’s on the opposition.

In fact I would probably say we don’t do anything apart from tactical work. That’s all we do every day. If we’re working on our fitness, we’re still trying to play our football, but I haven’t seen the interview so I’m not sure what he’s referencing.

If you’re talking about do we do training where we’re standing around and working on how we’re going to stop an opposition, how we’re going to break down, no we don’t do that, but I don’t think that’s the only kind of tactical work that exists.

I think anyone who trains with us will tell you that all we do is train the way we play. Maybe that’s not tactical work, I don’t know."
 
I still think he's going to be given until the Liverpool game at the very least. Given the squad state the club really need to try to do some transfer business in the next week. If we can get a few players in to help out on a short term basis and he is still unable to turn things around then there will little argument left against removing him especially after the tactical mistake made yesterday in the initial lineup.

I guess the frustration is our squad problems have been an issue for months and we are now 10 days away from window closing with our only signing being Kinsky. I fear that if it was difficult to get players in at the start of the window for whatever reason, how many players are going to be keen to join us right now?
 
glorygloryeze said:
Or....you've been playing the same way for months and almost every team has been able to outdo you, so you try something different, especially with the injuries.

The lack of activity when we were collapsing vs Brighton (and in several other games) was far worse than yesterdays' failed attempt at chaging our set-up. After all, when was the last time his set-up actually looked competent?

Yesterday was bad, but i think there have been far worse episodes. At least (and i'm clutching a whole set of straws here) he was acting like a manager who acknowleged that we have got some problems rather than just saying "it's who we are, mate"
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His setup looked competent in the second half against Everton when against mostly a low block team we scored twice and played quite well.

Last time we looked competent for a full game was probably the Liverpool game?
 
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