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Ange departs
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El Dante
Les Ferdinand
I would love to know how anyone can still be Ange in after his excuses are starting to fall away. That he said we needed a rest and to be fresh, well players seem to be given more days off now than they actually spend training, and has over a week without a fixture and still looked completely awful. I can’t see Romero, VDV and Solanke’s return to the team being the magic plaster that makes everything right. I wish it would be but it won’t. We’ve seen enough across the last two seasons to know that this is a project that is failing hard and that we have the basis of what could be a very good squad and it’s having petrol poured over it and a match lit proverbially. How can we waste this squad?! I want Ange out soon as possible.
metalgear
Chris Jones
Yeah we have now a lot.of players who suit a fast open game. But angeball starts with load of players up front so there is little space for them to run into.any other variations are so predictable that the players get outdone before they get a chance to initiate anything. We are so easy to play against. No difference under mourinho, a lot less smart.
indospurs
Jonathan Woodgate
have you seen our stadium? everything else, especially in europe, feels like farmland, Ange talked about not risking vdv or romero after seeing the pitch
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
In vino veritasAlways post when under the influence, hope you had a good night
Not at all Mikey, I think you and everyone are right to question the amount of injuries we have had under Ange - it can't all be coincidence. But in regards to those two players, they were picking up their share of injuries well before Ange came along.Tbf, @harr1984’s stats above would definitely suggest that I was talking s hite, so you’re probably right. Apologies
FWIW, I do think since that disastrous outbreak and the reported inquiry into our injury woes I do think Ange/the club have tried to adjust. He has been more cautious in bringing players back from injury, our in game intensity is not always as high/gung ho as it was, has rotated more (to be fair has helped with players coming back) and other elements. Likely too late to save the season of course, but it does look like he's trying to adapt somewhat to negate another occurence of injuries....
Muttley
Clint Dempsey
Do you think it is that pendulum effect of being too far one direction so you got too far the other before finding the middle?
I can remember when VDV and Romero were all slated to return for the Tamworth game. Perhaps they can't get out of the cotton wool at this point as the other extreme.
It's a fair question. They are definitely erring on the side of caution, but with only the EL left to play for and Danso being a very good CB I can understand it. But they do now need to start getting minutes in the bank, I'm guessing they will both be involved to some extent vs Bournemouth....
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It feels like a mass wind up. Like there's going to be a Jeremy Beadle style reveal that we've been being managed by shoe shop worker from Sclamhorpe all along.
Muttley
Clint Dempsey
With Agent Ange being part of the Beadle cast and Levy and us being the victims of the wind up?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Yeah Levy employed him on the basis of a fake Wikipedia profile and some conversations with imposter ex-players because, lets face it, no one has actually watched Scottish football. The rumour is that Celtic's actual manager during 2022 and 2023 was a tall skinny black guy
Finney Is Back
Barry Daines
Those three would all be considerably lower in the league if also playing Europa league games on a Thursday.
Finney Is Back
Barry Daines
Why can't it be? The sample size is still too small to be able to infer much.
Legohamster
Steffen Freund
Did he really say we suffered as had a long break between games 
Legohamster
Steffen Freund
Feel like the club are just converting their back
Wait till he's completely run out of excuses
Did he really say we suffered as had a long break between games
When?
Yeah, Everton was strike 1 and Thursday was strike 2.
I generally think a lot of the criticism has been way over the top but in those 2 games there were extremely worrying signs.
Everton, yes, our squad was decimated. But somehow he managed to play a complete foreign system that made every individual worse. And he didn't have to play that system with the players he has, I don't care what he claimed at the time, with a small amount of shoehorning (e.g. Maddison on the wing) he could have played our usual system and not got roasted 3-0 in one half by one of the worst teams in the league. (The Everton fans were so dejected that they barely made any noise even at 2-0 up which shows how brick they are and how low expectations are.)
When he actually reverted to the usual system in the second half we were still poor but quite comfortably won that half 2-0 which begs the question: what would have happened if we'd just done that from the start instead of playing some hybrid back 3 approach that seemingly was implemented completely off the cuff?
Thursday - what a disgrace. We have 8 days off from a game in which we rested 3 players. I don't mind losing to City due to weakening the team, I don't even mind losing to AZ, these things happen, but the manner of the loss was unacceptable. The specific players weren't the problem, the whole team lacked energy/aggression/cohesion and it's one of those where it's impossible to diagnose the problem because the entire team was systematically brick. Sure, any team would miss Kulu, VDV, Romero, but that's no excuse for the utterly pathetic approach to the game.
So here we are. 2 strikes down. Next Thursday is obviously huge but you'd hope the gravity of the situation will extract a performance and we'll probably scrape through. But if I see a repeat of Everton/AZ in any other game this season then it's 3 strikes and I'm Ange out.
I really love the bloke and I have a lot of sympathy for what he's been through here, I think a lot of the criticism is way over the top, but say what you like about long term planning or injuries, if you make enormous tactical errors (Everton) or can't get your team up for the biggest game of the season (AZ) then you quite rightly should be questioned.
For me he needs to be pretty much perfect the rest of the season, otherwise I'd sack him in summer and get Iraola. I'd love it if he was able to keep going and give us the option of going straight back to Poch next summer after the WC, but with the current state of affairs we can't afford to wait that long.
As an aside, after his work with Chelsea back end of last season, I think Poch would do wonders with this squad.
Not sure he would win us anything but the further his sacking recedes into the rearview the more it is apparent what a fudging hero he was. I'd love a reunion even if it went nowhere, but I think we are in a much stronger position now to give him the environment he'd need to be a success. It just depends whether football has moved on too much and it's too late now.
If we had the money we have now in 2019 we would have gone on to be a major player in European football. That is the saddest thing. We had the chance and we squandered it.
Not sure he would win us anything but the further his sacking recedes into the rearview the more it is apparent what a fudging hero he was. I'd love a reunion even if it went nowhere, but I think we are in a much stronger position now to give him the environment he'd need to be a success. It just depends whether football has moved on too much and it's too late now.
If we had the money we have now in 2019 we would have gone on to be a major player in European football. That is the saddest thing. We had the chance and we squandered it.
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