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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

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Bemused at his sacking, but if it was going to happen it had to happen soon.

It is clear to me that Levy sees this season as at the same time make or break, but also an excellent opportunity to capitalise on the transitional seasons of other clubs. By moving distinctly away from the top 4 with our last result, when we could have truly put ourselves back in the mix, we have started to create a gap in the table that needs to be closed immediately. We cannot afford to mark down resounding defeats to our rivals (especially the last game) which could have implications for weeks, to growing pains.

There is also a pattern emerging of poor results against our rivals. We have picked up 3 points in draws against Chelsea (H), Man U (H) and Everton (A), with 0 across Liverpool (H), City (A), Arsenal (A). 3 points from 6 games is just not good enough. If there is one of those 'mini-league' tables for CL contenders about, we are surely at the bottom. It is becoming clear that beating the smaller teams will not cut it, we have too many rivals of similar quality. We need to be able to dispatch these teams, especially at home, or at least look like we could win in our next difficult game. That impression was absent on Sunday.

We open January with trips to Old Trafford and the Emirates - those games will be the first real indication of how the new regime, whoever it may consist of, has improved (or not) on AVB.

Still think this sacking is such a massive step backwards. We looked like we were slowly getting there... perhaps too slowly for modern football.
 
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Bemused at his sacking, but if it was going to happen it had to happen soon.

It is clear to me that Levy sees this season as at the same time make or break, but also an excellent opportunity to capitalise on the transitional seasons of other clubs. By moving distinctly away from the top 4 with our last result, when we could have truly put ourselves back in the mix, we have started to create a gap in the table that needs to be closed immediately. We cannot afford to mark down resounding defeats to our rivals (especially the last game) which could have implications for weeks, to growing pains.

There is also a pattern emerging of poor results against our rivals. We have picked up 3 points in draws against Chelsea (H), Man U (H) and Everton (A), with 0 across Liverpool (H), City (A), Arsenal (A). 3 points from 6 games is just not good enough. If there is one of those 'mini-league' tables for CL contenders about, we are surely at the bottom. It is becoming clear that beating the smaller teams will not cut it, we have too many rivals of similar quality. We need to be able to dispatch these teams, especially at home, or at least look like we could win in our next difficult game. That impression was absent on Sunday.

We open January with trips to Old Trafford and the Emirates - those games will be the first real indication of how the new regime, whoever it may consist of, has improved (or not) on AVB.

Still think this sacking is such a massive step backwards. We looked like we were slowly getting there... perhaps too slowly for modern football.

It looked like we were slowly going backwards! No? We could not score. We started conceding goals, flattering our opponents, setting new defeat records. We could not play at home. Our style of play was 'turgid'. Crucially there was no sign that AVB had the leadership to get the new young players settled, confident and playing well.

The step backwards was occurring with AVB. That is why Levy swung the axe.
 
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Just read a quote from Paul Clement(think his name has popped up in the 'Next manager Thread'). ‘Football is simple,’ he says. ‘There is a goal and you have to try to put the ball in it.' Its in relation to differences between Ronaldo & Bale. I think this is one thing that AVB didn't do. Strikes me as a bloke who thinks thers a perfect science to winning/playing football. Best managers imo whether with world class players on semi-pro players are the ones who don't over complicate it. I'm involved in a non-league club and our then manager a few years ago got asked to an interview for the Cambridge United job. He got asked 'What style of Football do you play?' his reply was 'Winning football'. I think this typifies football people get caught up in how to play it and forget the objective.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...stiano-Ronaldo-Gareth-Bale.html#ixzz2nfpuMcPp
 
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I see Valencia job has now become available - could be a good job for AVB to go into and good luck to him. Probably needs to go to Spain or Portugal for his next job to rebuild his career and reputation.
 
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I see Valencia job has now become available - could be a good job for AVB to go into and good luck to him. Probably needs to go to Spain or Portugal for his next job to rebuild his career and reputation.

Sacking a coach hired this summer because they're only in 9th and lost 0-3 at the second placed team this weekend? Not to mention the fact that Valencia are in deep **** financially. Thought that only happened at laughing stocks like us.
 
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Just read a quote from Paul Clement(think his name has popped up in the 'Next manager Thread'). ‘Football is simple,’ he says. ‘There is a goal and you have to try to put the ball in it.' Its in relation to differences between Ronaldo & Bale. I think this is one thing that AVB didn't do. Strikes me as a bloke who thinks thers a perfect science to winning/playing football. Best managers imo whether with world class players on semi-pro players are the ones who don't over complicate it. I'm involved in a non-league club and our then manager a few years ago got asked to an interview for the Cambridge United job. He got asked 'What style of Football do you play?' his reply was 'Winning football'. I think this typifies football people get caught up in how to play it and forget the objective.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...stiano-Ronaldo-Gareth-Bale.html#ixzz2nfpuMcPp

This is all fine, I understand the idea of keeping it simple, giving good players the freedom to express the selfs and watching them go. But what if you want to achieve something more, beyond what players on their own are capable of?

Does anyone think Rodgers kept it simple at Swansea or Martinez at Wigan? I think they were eking out every possible advantage they could in order to give themselves the best chance of over performing, looking at games in different ways and succeeding.
 
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This is all fine, I understand the idea of keeping it simple, giving good players the freedom to express the selfs and watching them go. But what if you want to achieve something more, beyond what players on their own are capable of?

Does anyone think Rodgers kept it simple at Swansea or Martinez at Wigan? I think they were eking out every possible advantage they could in order to give themselves the best chance of over performing, looking at games in different ways and succeeding.

Have you read the article?
 
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The players must be gutted, considering their unabashed support for him in that flurry of articles and interviews a couple of weeks ago. However, it's also their fault he's gone: if they weren't so dopey and incompetent at times, he'd probably still be here.

Part of me is secretly hoping for a madman like Bielsa to come in and instill some discipline in this side. Lord knows we need it.
 
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Reporter @sport_simon claims Levy met Villas Boas last night and this morning and his fight and determination was gone.
 
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I think he had to go, he was a beaten man.

The players have let him down big time, while it's the manager that pays some of the players should be following him out the door.
 
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Reporter @sport_simon claims Levy met Villas Boas last night and this morning and his fight and determination was gone.

If true no real surprise, AVB's face after the 6-0 at City really surprised me, looked some what like a lost man, really sad.

Never seen Levy like he did last night, he looked shaken to the core in a complete state of shock no surprise that he had those conversations and what followed.
 
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I can't help having this sick feeling in my stomach that all the progress Spurs have made over the past few seasons has now been flushed down the toilet.

I'm looking at a return to mid-table mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

Such a bloody shame, but if we get rid of the manager who had the best statistical record since the club joined the Football League in 1908, what earthly chance does the new guy have, whoever he is?
 
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Telegraph report Villas Boas was relieved he left Tottenham and technically wasn't sacked. Telegraph: "Sense around Villas-Boas was that he wanted to go and was relieved it was over."
 
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Telegraph report Villas Boas was relieved he left Tottenham and technically wasn't sacked. Telegraph: "Sense around Villas-Boas was that he wanted to go and was relieved it was over."

Jeeez. rumours would suggest I was right

Didnt look like he had that stuff forged yet to hack it at the top, especially in a league like the premiership
 
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There was no common ground between André Villas-Boas and Daniel Levy as they met briefly after Tottenham Hotspur's 5-0 humiliation at home against Liverpool. And there had to be if they were to continue. Both men were hurt and as Levy sought answers, Villas-Boas bristled.

The conversation turned to whether Spurs could employ two strikers, for example, and Villas-Boas interpreted this as a suggestion that he should play Emmanuel Adebayor who he wanted out of the club, who had been a source of friction and who has been a crushing disappointment, despite being the highest earner. The conversation was not constructive.

Quickly the decision was taken to reconvene yesterday morning and, shortly after 10am, Villas-Boas and Levy decided that the time was right for the head coach to go. Technically he was not sacked and, in truth, the sense around Villas-Boas was that he wanted to go and was relieved it was over. He and Levy have never been, according to a source close to the Portuguese, a “dynamic duo”. By the end the relationship between the pair was ever more remote; it was not a meeting of minds.

That relationship had started awkwardly with the sale of Luka Modric in the summer of 2012 and the failure to sign Joao Moutinho at the 11th hour as his replacement – after apparently haggling over €500,000 on a €31 million (£26  million) bid – and it rarely improved after that.

Villas-Boas lost Modric one summer, Gareth Bale the next – even if £107  million was spent following the latter’s departure. He had called for evolution; he got revolution.
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Villas-Boas was devastated not to acquire Moutinho and believed that he struggled to get any of the players he wanted signed by Spurs. It is a long and perhaps, at times, unrealistic list but included Oscar, Fernandinho, Willian, Leandro Damiao, Henrik Mkhitaryan, Fabio Coentrao, Hulk and David Villa. The latter was even taken on a tour of Spurs’ impressive new training ground but decided to join Atletico Madrid.

Levy did not interfere. Far from it. He does allow his staff to get on with their jobs but there is, on occasions, frustration that he appears to be a ‘numbers man’.

Not that Villas-Boas, a bright, likeable coach, was blameless. He is far warmer than his public image presents, with innovative ideas, but at times he is unrelenting, The 36-year-old had his fingers burnt at Chelsea and after an initial feeling that he would not return to English football he landed the Spurs job.

He had learnt important lessons. Villas-Boas needed to improve his man-management skills and become more flexible – and did so – and of all the criticism he has faced the claim that he had blamed the players or lost the dressing room is the one he refutes most vehemently.

However, the biggest irony is that here is a young coach who is firmly committed to attacking, exciting football – and wants to entertain – but was struggling to translate that on to the pitch. Again, though, it may well have just been a case of giving him time.

There was also a fractious relationship with Tim Sherwood, Spurs’ technical co-ordinator, and highly regarded by Levy, while it always remained unclear as to how effective an assistant manager Steffen Freund was, and who pushed for him to be hired.

The tension increased over the summer when Paris St-Germain asked for, and were granted, permission to speak to Villas-Boas to become their new head coach. Villas-Boas decided to stay but felt that Levy would have happily pocketed the £10 million it would have taken PSG to release him from his Spurs contract.

That contract, too, quickly became a bone of contention. Villas-Boas thought that Spurs might have improved his deal – which had one more year left to run after this season – after he showed loyalty and rejected PSG, but instead there was silence. He did not ask for a better deal but also, having lobbied for the appointment of director of football Franco Baldini, he thought, perhaps wrongly, perhaps naively, that it would be a sign that Spurs believed in him.

That is often the way with Villas-Boas. He rejects the comparisons with his former mentor Jose Mourinho but there are undoubted similarities. One of Mourinho’s mantras is that if everyone wears the same shirt then they should “show the same face” and all pull in the same direction. Villas-Boas believed that also. He also accepts that he is ‘Porto school’ – a product of the club he grew up supporting and went on to coach and may now return to as coach. At Porto there is a strong support system and a very clear way of operating. Villas-Boas did not believe he had that at Spurs.

A pinch point arrived last May on Spurs’ post-season tour to the Bahamas which was also used as an opportunity for Villas-Boas, Levy and the club’s owner Joe Lewis, who lives on the islands, to meet. Top of the agenda was Bale’s future, with Villas-Boas urging the club to keep him for one more year – and add Hulk and Villa to create a new forward line. Villas-Boas wanted that evolution – not a revolution – at Spurs in the playing staff but was also pushing for off-the-pitch changes, including the hiring of Baldini and the overhaul of the medical department. The signings were rejected and, of course, Bale was sold to Real Madrid for £85 million but only, in fairness, after he had pushed for the move. Spurs held talks with Manchester United, who were willing to pay £100 million and might also have taken Adebayor, but Bale was adamant that he only wanted to go to Madrid.

Baldini got to work in the transfer market with Villas-Boas happy with the pursuit of Paulinho, Roberto Soldado and Etienne Capoue but unsure that he wanted a radical overhaul. But Spurs reasoned they could act quickly and decisively to reinvest the Bale money and use the opportunity to create a new squad.

It was a gamble. And it also needed the pieces to fall together but, more importantly, a collective belief that this was not only the right thing to do but that Villas-Boas would be given the time to make it work – and he was the right man to make it work.

By now his relationship with Adebayor had deteriorated to such an extent that the striker was not to train with the first-team squad. Benoît Assou-Ekotto also had to be moved on and went to Queens Park Rangers on loan after a deal to sell him to Fenerbahce collapsed, to Villas-Boas’s frustration. Within minutes of the 5-0 defeat to Liverpool, Assou-Ekotto posted a picture on a social-network site of him and Adebayor holding up five fingers.

Rightly or wrongly, Villas-Boas felt the club had not backed him on Adebayor while Baldini continued to negotiate with Real president Fiorentino Pérez.

A deal was in place and Spurs decided to spend rather than bank the Bale cash – and with their seven signings, plus other departures, they ended the transfer window approximately £10 million up when fees and savings on wages were taken into account.

There was clear method in this – with the exception of Soldado, who is 28, and Paulinho, who has just turned 25, all the signings are young and should retain a resale value. The exception might be Erik Lamela who, although 21, cost around £30 million and was wanted by both Baldini and Villas-Boas. Baldini, having worked with the Argentinian at Roma, has faith that he will come good.

Spurs’ results at the start of the season were better than expected even if some performances were patchy. Their defensive solidity, racking up clean sheets, was unexpected given the number of changes and there was a growing sense of excitement at the club that they might be title contenders.

Not that Villas-Boas, or Baldini, thought that. They still reasoned that this was a season of transition and a top-four finish was the goal. However, there was a growing, disappointing gap developing between the pair, which was all the more unfortunate given Villas-Boas had previously urged Chelsea to hire Baldini; the Italian had wanted to take the coach to Roma, and then wanted to work with him at Spurs.

But matters were becoming increasingly strained and there were disagreements over the handling of Hugo Lloris’s head injury, with Villas-Boas determined that the goalkeeper was fit to play.

The 6-0 defeat by Emirates Marketing Project began to expose the tension further, with Villas-Boas believing that if he had then lost to Manchester United, Levy might want to pull the trigger.

By now, he wanted to go. Villas-Boas did not appear a happy figure on the touchline and his goal celebrations did not possess the usual exuberance.

Could he turn things around and see through December? The games were coming thick and fast and that helped, but there was an increasing sense from those close to Villas-Boas that, come what may, this would be his last season at Spurs. In the end he did not make it to the midway point of the campaign.
 
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lol the job is a poisoned chalice......akin to taking the defence against the dark arts teachers post at hogwarts.........

seriously in hindsight Villas Boas was perhaps too hasty to go into another job in England but I respect that he wanted to prove himself.....

will probably suceed somewhere else so good luck to him.......

wonder where manager of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club would rate in most stressful jobs in the world?
 
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Here's the full article from Jason Burt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ger-Andre-Villas-Boas-had-become-distant.html

Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy and manager André Villas-Boas had become distant


Manager's summer plans had been rejected and it was a surprise he was not given more time at White Hart Lane

There was no common ground between André Villas-Boas and Daniel Levy as they met briefly after Tottenham Hotspur's 5-0 humiliation at home against Liverpool. And there had to be if they were to continue. Both men were hurt and as Levy sought answers, Villas-Boas bristled.

The conversation turned to whether Spurs could employ two strikers, for example, and Villas-Boas interpreted this as a suggestion that he should play Emmanuel Adebayor who he wanted out of the club, who had been a source of friction and who has been a crushing disappointment, despite being the highest earner. The conversation was not constructive.

Quickly the decision was taken to reconvene yesterday morning and, shortly after 10am, Villas-Boas and Levy decided that the time was right for the head coach to go. Technically he was not sacked and, in truth, the sense around Villas-Boas was that he wanted to go and was relieved it was over. He and Levy have never been, according to a source close to the Portuguese, a “dynamic duo”. By the end the relationship between the pair was ever more remote; it was not a meeting of minds.

That relationship had started awkwardly with the sale of Luka Modric in the summer of 2012 and the failure to sign Joao Moutinho at the 11th hour as his replacement – after apparently haggling over €500,000 on a €31 million (£26  million) bid – and it rarely improved after that.

Villas-Boas lost Modric one summer, Gareth Bale the next – even if £107  million was spent following the latter’s departure. He had called for evolution; he got revolution.



Villas-Boas was devastated not to acquire Moutinho and believed that he struggled to get any of the players he wanted signed by Spurs. It is a long and perhaps, at times, unrealistic list but included Oscar, Fernandinho, Willian, Leandro Damiao, Henrik Mkhitaryan, Fabio Coentrao, Hulk and David Villa. The latter was even taken on a tour of Spurs’ impressive new training ground but decided to join Atletico Madrid.

Levy did not interfere. Far from it. He does allow his staff to get on with their jobs but there is, on occasions, frustration that he appears to be a ‘numbers man’.

Not that Villas-Boas, a bright, likeable coach, was blameless. He is far warmer than his public image presents, with innovative ideas, but at times he is unrelenting, The 36-year-old had his fingers burnt at Chelsea and after an initial feeling that he would not return to English football he landed the Spurs job.

He had learnt important lessons. Villas-Boas needed to improve his man-management skills and become more flexible – and did so – and of all the criticism he has faced the claim that he had blamed the players or lost the dressing room is the one he refutes most vehemently.

However, the biggest irony is that here is a young coach who is firmly committed to attacking, exciting football – and wants to entertain – but was struggling to translate that on to the pitch. Again, though, it may well have just been a case of giving him time.

There was also a fractious relationship with Tim Sherwood, Spurs’ technical co-ordinator, and highly regarded by Levy, while it always remained unclear as to how effective an assistant manager Steffen Freund was, and who pushed for him to be hired.

The tension increased over the summer when Paris St-Germain asked for, and were granted, permission to speak to Villas-Boas to become their new head coach. Villas-Boas decided to stay but felt that Levy would have happily pocketed the £10 million it would have taken PSG to release him from his Spurs contract.

That contract, too, quickly became a bone of contention. Villas-Boas thought that Spurs might have improved his deal – which had one more year left to run after this season – after he showed loyalty and rejected PSG, but instead there was silence. He did not ask for a better deal but also, having lobbied for the appointment of director of football Franco Baldini, he thought, perhaps wrongly, perhaps naively, that it would be a sign that Spurs believed in him.

That is often the way with Villas-Boas. He rejects the comparisons with his former mentor Jose Mourinho but there are undoubted similarities. One of Mourinho’s mantras is that if everyone wears the same shirt then they should “show the same face” and all pull in the same direction. Villas-Boas believed that also. He also accepts that he is ‘Porto school’ – a product of the club he grew up supporting and went on to coach and may now return to as coach. At Porto there is a strong support system and a very clear way of operating. Villas-Boas did not believe he had that at Spurs.

A pinch point arrived last May on Spurs’ post-season tour to the Bahamas which was also used as an opportunity for Villas-Boas, Levy and the club’s owner Joe Lewis, who lives on the islands, to meet. Top of the agenda was Bale’s future, with Villas-Boas urging the club to keep him for one more year – and add Hulk and Villa to create a new forward line. Villas-Boas wanted that evolution – not a revolution – at Spurs in the playing staff but was also pushing for off-the-pitch changes, including the hiring of Baldini and the overhaul of the medical department. The signings were rejected and, of course, Bale was sold to Real Madrid for £85 million but only, in fairness, after he had pushed for the move. Spurs held talks with Manchester United, who were willing to pay £100 million and might also have taken Adebayor, but Bale was adamant that he only wanted to go to Madrid.

Baldini got to work in the transfer market with Villas-Boas happy with the pursuit of Paulinho, Roberto Soldado and Etienne Capoue but unsure that he wanted a radical overhaul. But Spurs reasoned they could act quickly and decisively to reinvest the Bale money and use the opportunity to create a new squad.

It was a gamble. And it also needed the pieces to fall together but, more importantly, a collective belief that this was not only the right thing to do but that Villas-Boas would be given the time to make it work – and he was the right man to make it work.

By now his relationship with Adebayor had deteriorated to such an extent that the striker was not to train with the first-team squad. Benoît Assou-Ekotto also had to be moved on and went to Queens Park Rangers on loan after a deal to sell him to Fenerbahce collapsed, to Villas-Boas’s frustration. Within minutes of the 5-0 defeat to Liverpool, Assou-Ekotto posted a picture on a social-network site of him and Adebayor holding up five fingers.

Rightly or wrongly, Villas-Boas felt the club had not backed him on Adebayor while Baldini continued to negotiate with Real president Fiorentino Pérez.

A deal was in place and Spurs decided to spend rather than bank the Bale cash – and with their seven signings, plus other departures, they ended the transfer window approximately £10 million up when fees and savings on wages were taken into account.

There was clear method in this – with the exception of Soldado, who is 28, and Paulinho, who has just turned 25, all the signings are young and should retain a resale value. The exception might be Erik Lamela who, although 21, cost around £30 million and was wanted by both Baldini and Villas-Boas. Baldini, having worked with the Argentinian at Roma, has faith that he will come good.

Spurs’ results at the start of the season were better than expected even if some performances were patchy. Their defensive solidity, racking up clean sheets, was unexpected given the number of changes and there was a growing sense of excitement at the club that they might be title contenders.

Not that Villas-Boas, or Baldini, thought that. They still reasoned that this was a season of transition and a top-four finish was the goal. However, there was a growing, disappointing gap developing between the pair, which was all the more unfortunate given Villas-Boas had previously urged Chelsea to hire Baldini; the Italian had wanted to take the coach to Roma, and then wanted to work with him at Spurs.

But matters were becoming increasingly strained and there were disagreements over the handling of Hugo Lloris’s head injury, with Villas-Boas determined that the goalkeeper was fit to play.

The 6-0 defeat by Emirates Marketing Project began to expose the tension further, with Villas-Boas believing that if he had then lost to Manchester United, Levy might want to pull the trigger.

By now, he wanted to go. Villas-Boas did not appear a happy figure on the touchline and his goal celebrations did not possess the usual exuberance.

Could he turn things around and see through December? The games were coming thick and fast and that helped, but there was an increasing sense from those close to Villas-Boas that, come what may, this would be his last season at Spurs. In the end he did not make it to the midway point of the campaign.

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If what is written is true then it just sums up this f'ing club!

BTW, Burton has talked about AVB wanting 'evolution not revolution' before on the Sunday Supplement on the day we played Utd.
 
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Spurs held talks with Manchester United, who were willing to pay £100 million and might also have taken Adebayor

Say what?
 
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