ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
How do I go about this @scaramanga, I've heard you're the man to ask?
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American politics
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thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I don't use either. My life appears to be no worse.
Are you genuinely blind to the damage that does to political discourse and how it makes and sensible middle ground impossible to realise?
Without the pull from those on the left, the centre right on Twitter will just spiral off to the right. And without the sensible economic discussion from those on the centre right, those on Bluesky will just spiral off to Corbyn land.
Political discussion has always been about dealing with opinions outside our own acceptable sphere, otherwise there'd be no need for it. Don't fall for all this "I have a right to never feel offended" nonsense that's infecting the left lately, it won't do any of you any good. If you don't engage, you'll never solve what you perceived to be a problem.
It's much easier for me, because I know they're all wrong. Probably more difficult for others.
Finally something we can 100% agree on!
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
The damage is already done. If you haven't noticed there is no sensible political discourse on Twitter (or anywhere else) and there has not been for a long time. Old Twitter for all its faults was probably the last arena like that but then Musk came along and fudged it up. It is the nature of the right to control and dominate, and once the limited guardrails were removed Twitter devolved into the right-wing cesspit it is now. As I mentioned in some earlier posts, the left has lost the information war. The right control the message in every media sphere and they are not remotely concerned by the opinions of the left.
If I want to listen to right-wing opinions then I can do it almost everywhere else. It might even be an interesting discussion if they were selling anything new, but they are not. It is just the same old repackaged bigotry, greed and fear. So watching right-wing tacos getting banned within minutes because they can't control themselves on Bluesky is fine by me and it seems everyone else I follow agrees.
Sounds to me as if what you don't like is that right wing opinions aren't blocked automatically and that you'd actually have to engage to show them up for what they are.
You can't just close your ears to what you don't want to hear. The world isn't a safe space with trigger warnings attached to it.
If you don't want those opinions out there, the answer is to challenge them and show how unfounded they are to others. Unchallenged, those opinions are likely to gain even more traction.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
Sounds to me like all the other debate me bro arguments. They can't stand that there is a community developing which they can't inject their poison into. Right-wing content is ubiquitous so I can't avoid it but having one little corner of the internet without is just fine by me. And just to be fair and balanced, I agree not to go posting messages of love and equality on their nazi websites. They are scared of everything so I'll do them a solid by leaving them alone in their safe spaces.
Seriously though I have no interest in talking to these people. It is the most pointless use of time ever. I have yet to meet one that is open to reason and logic, so I'll save my time for more worthwhile exploits (I would not put watching Spurs on that list btw). Right-wing opinions are not blocked on Bluesky automatically, just arseholes, but by some strange coincidence that seems to do the trick.
If those making that decision are made up of people who flounced off from Twitter so they didn't have to listen to all the nasty words then forgive me for not trusting those decisions.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
You're forgiven.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
Calling it an echo chamber is just a rhetorical trick. You say echo chamber I say community. It is no different than you as a Spurs fan posting on this forum. Are all forums/subredits echo chambers? Of course not. So if this place was inundated with goons and chavs who were just here to sneer and troll and generally post in a rude manner, a bit like you do, I would block them just as quick, like how I have just blocked you.
Is an echo chamber.
I hate most of the opinions on twitter too.
But it's good to understand, others way of thinking.
Failing to do so, puts the like of trump in power.
I'm not having a dig at you, but the whole thing of running of to an echo chamber, will do more harm than good.
You'll convince yourselves, you're correct, smasher and better...
Then be left wondering, how the feck did we lose again.
This is an echo chamber - intentionally so.
This is a place for Spurs fans only (with the odd shaved ape from the north east making an appearance) because that's what we all want it to be.
That's fine for football, it's supposed to be tribal. We're supposed to believe in our right to win all and sundry whilst having an irrational hatred of others for no better reason than their location.
COYS is awful.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
...and let that be a lesson, some things transcend our differences.
Interesting regarding the "he got it coming" side of the debate on the murder of Brian Thompson and the concept of "denial of medical claims".
The NHS deny medical treatment all the time. In fact ironically there's an almost constant stream of patients going from the UK to the US to access things like cancer treatment that is available over there that isn't over here on the NHS.
Another ironic example for me recently:
- I developed bladder and bowel problems and went to see my GP. They formed the opinion that I was dehydrated and stressed and said there were no need for any further tests and sent me away with a referral to talking therapy and an instruction to drink more water.
- symptoms didnt improve and got worse and so they put me on antibiotics but still stated there was no need to be referred for tests, scans or specialists.
- antibiotics helped a bit but not much so I then turned to my private medical insurance through my work.
- They pre-authorised a referral to a consultant urologist, blood tests, ultrasound, CT scan and follow up consultation.
- Fast forward a few weeks I'd been diagnosed with an inguinal hernia of my bowel through my muscle wall which had caused inflammation of and then infection of my prostate and bladder. I had a CT scan and ultrasound scan of my bladder, kidneys and prostate to rule out any other factors and was referred for surgery which I had 4 weeks ago and I'm almost fully recovered.
In my case the private insurance company immediately authorised the medical treatment denied to me by the NHS back in July and meant that I lived for months in pain and discomfort as a result.
So denial of medical claims or requests for treatment is not something exclusive to any health care system and ultimately it always boils down to the assessment of whoever is deciding on treatment versus what the patient feels they want and need.
The NHS deny medical treatment all the time. In fact ironically there's an almost constant stream of patients going from the UK to the US to access things like cancer treatment that is available over there that isn't over here on the NHS.
Another ironic example for me recently:
- I developed bladder and bowel problems and went to see my GP. They formed the opinion that I was dehydrated and stressed and said there were no need for any further tests and sent me away with a referral to talking therapy and an instruction to drink more water.
- symptoms didnt improve and got worse and so they put me on antibiotics but still stated there was no need to be referred for tests, scans or specialists.
- antibiotics helped a bit but not much so I then turned to my private medical insurance through my work.
- They pre-authorised a referral to a consultant urologist, blood tests, ultrasound, CT scan and follow up consultation.
- Fast forward a few weeks I'd been diagnosed with an inguinal hernia of my bowel through my muscle wall which had caused inflammation of and then infection of my prostate and bladder. I had a CT scan and ultrasound scan of my bladder, kidneys and prostate to rule out any other factors and was referred for surgery which I had 4 weeks ago and I'm almost fully recovered.
In my case the private insurance company immediately authorised the medical treatment denied to me by the NHS back in July and meant that I lived for months in pain and discomfort as a result.
So denial of medical claims or requests for treatment is not something exclusive to any health care system and ultimately it always boils down to the assessment of whoever is deciding on treatment versus what the patient feels they want and need.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Good to hear you're on the mend.
I'm surprised you didn't go straight to your private medical insurance in the first instance?
I guess the difference between the NHS and others (eg US) is the service is 'free' at point of access, so workload/patient numbers will reflect that. Of course, everyone should have best of care but Id imagine (behind the scenes) budgets and resources are limited.
I had a similar issue to you, and after bloods poop and urine tests I then had a CT scan within 12 weeks which was pretty good going imv. (All was well btw)
However, I fully agree with the overall 'brush off ' view. Try and pin it on mental health (not that it's a bad thing they're asking, I'm just suspicious of why they're asking) , dish out antibiotics, dish out painkillers....all essentially attacking many problems from the wrong end.
In the way minor injury units are springing up, I think diagnostic centres should be as well. From my pov I just want to know what's wrong with me, diagnosis is everything, not just so I can get my head round it and make a plan to recover, but so the disease/problem has less time to advance/develop and potentially put me in a worse place than was necessary.
I don't have access to pmi any longer but twice have paid for my own scans to short circuit the route to diagnosis (they're not even that expensive, relatively speaking).
The way they deal with Musculoskeletal problems for example is so backwards. Rest it and take pain killers, not worked- book you 3 sessions with a physio, not getting better, send you for an x-ray, still bad? you might get a scan out of them if you've not lost the will to live by then. Any doctor and especially the physiotherapist needs diagnostic tools to know what they are dealing with FFS.