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American politics

NY Times editorial board is throwing everything they can at the orange one - I have never read an editorial so strongly worded, and I work in the industry.

I've noticed NYT getting increasingly more openly hostile towards Trump during the past year - deservedly so IMO - as well as upping their game with some excellent investigative journalism on him too. This editorial is quite something, though.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/16/opinion/donald-trump-worst-president.html

"Donald Trump’s re-election campaign poses the greatest threat to American democracy since World War II."

"He is a racist demagogue presiding over an increasingly diverse country; an isolationist in an interconnected world; a showman forever boasting about things he has never done, and promising to do things he never will."

"Mr. Trump is a man of no integrity."
 
Robbo said:
NY Times editorial board is throwing everything they can at the orange one - I have never read an editorial so strongly worded, and I work in the industry.

I've noticed NYT getting increasingly more openly hostile towards Trump during the past year - deservedly so IMO - as well as upping their game with some excellent investigative journalism on him too. This editorial is quite something, though.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/16/opinion/donald-trump-worst-president.html

"Donald Trump’s re-election campaign poses the greatest threat to American democracy since World War II."

"He is a racist demagogue presiding over an increasingly diverse country; an isolationist in an interconnected world; a showman forever boasting about things he has never done, and promising to do things he never will."

"Mr. Trump is a man of no integrity."
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I read that earlier. No punches pulled.

The NYT is a strange cat. I keep a subscription going as some of the reporting is incredible, but they just as easily pump out ridiculous puff pieces regarding this current US administration which is hard to square with their investigative reporting.

Different editors or how are they structured (you being an eye tea kay)?
 
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Rorschach said:
I read that earlier. No punches pulled.

The NYT is a strange cat. I keep a subscription going as some of the reporting is incredible, but they just as easily pump out ridiculous puff pieces regarding this current US administration which is hard to square with their investigative reporting.

Different editors or how are they structured (you being an eye tea kay)?
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The opinionists are normally fully separate from the newsroom, at least in a newspaper of NY Times' size. I doubt the barriers are watertight even there though, and often the opinion pieces are based on reporting (like this particular editorial is a very good example of). So in a way you could argue the regular reporters set the premise for the opinionists, which they've certainly done with their reporting on Trump.

Being a regular journalist you obviously have to adhere to certain standards of fact checking and balance in your reporting, while opinionists can present more personal, one sided views.

In my experience the public have a hard time separating opinion pieces and regular journalism, which I think is a contributing reason for a general lack of trust in the media.
 
Robbo said:
The opinionists are normally fully separate from the newsroom, at least in a newspaper of NY Times' size. I doubt the barriers are watertight even there though, and often the opinion pieces are based on reporting (like this particular editorial is a very good example of). So in a way you could argue the regular reporters set the premise for the opinionists, which they've certainly done with their reporting on Trump.

Being a regular journalist you obviously have to adhere to certain standards of fact checking and balance in your reporting, while opinionists can present more personal, one sided views.

In my experience the public have a hard time separating opinion pieces and regular journalism, which I think is a contributing reason for a general lack of trust in the media.
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The balance is the tricky part. Not to be overtly biased one way or another is the general aim I assume, just to expound on the facts, but undoubtedly the writer's bias will always leak in. However, adding an alternative perspective to some news item that does not need it is where they open themselves for criticism. They are introducing a counter-narrative or sometimes a false equivalence where none really exists. And to be fair this is an issue far wider than the NYT.
(I'm talking about non-news pieces here and not op-eds).

Do you think there is a general lack of trust in the media or are you thinking of the US in particular?
 
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SteveAWOL said:
How can it be that The Leader of the Free World has queues to vote which are so long that not only are people having to take an entire day off work but charities need to set up feeding stations so they don’t starve :confused:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1315812578669584384
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It is not by accident of course. This is voter suppression, plain and simple, to keep a minority party in power.
 
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