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American politics

scaramanga said:
Protests shouldn't get in the way of everyday lives. No matter how valid the protest, I find myself actively against anyone who gets in the way of my life. How dare they presume to inconvenience me, my time is and always will be more important than their cause.

And whilst I don't agree with Trump that people should stand for an anthem, I do think that anyone bringing politics into sport should get a lengthy ban. Again, how dare they presume to take my relaxation away from me? I know their cause, I understand their cause, in this case I have sympathy with it. The only thing disturbing my relaxation will do is turn me against their cause.

The root problem is the assumption that because people aren't joining in support, we don't know or haven't heard about it. That's just insulting. I don't need some kneeling douchebag to enlighten me, I've just decided that getting on with my brick is more important to me than getting on with his brick.
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Well an argument could be made that in light of your indifference or perhaps apathy ... then why should they not take their protest to stage that is inconvenient to you?

If you don't care enough about what is happening to/is important to them.. Why should they care about inconveniencing you?
 
scaramanga said:
Protests shouldn't get in the way of everyday lives. No matter how valid the protest, I find myself actively against anyone who gets in the way of my life. How dare they presume to inconvenience me, my time is and always will be more important than their cause.
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Well, your personal views are shared by many Americans in that respect - protests should be absolutely quiet, take place absolutely calmly and happen far, far away, where they can be ignored and forgotten about. Problem is, people quickly cotton on why those preferences exist - to avoid hearing about what those protests are actually for. At that stage, 'f*ck your time, f*ck your inconvenience' is the next stage on the part of the protestors, because your time is worthless, or less than worthless, when great causes are at stake. Peacefully inconveniencing you is really the least extreme next step they could take, in that regard.

scaramanga said:
And whilst I don't agree with Trump that people should stand for an anthem, I do think that anyone bringing politics into sport should get a lengthy ban. Again, how dare they presume to take my relaxation away from me? I know their cause, I understand their cause, in this case I have sympathy with it. The only thing disturbing my relaxation will do is turn me against their cause.
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If disturbing your relaxation is all it takes to turn you against their cause, you never had sympathy with it, never knew it, never understood it and never will. Martin Luther King once remarked that his greatest disappointment was not with the outright racists who opposed him, but with white moderates who preferred order over justice, who constantly advised black people to wait for a better time and not to take direct action, because ultimately their motivation was simply 'civil rights - as long as they don't inconvenience me.' He understood the KKK man who opposed him, and at least respected his honesty - the 'white moderate' who would hate him for interrupting his entertainment was a man he ultimately had far less respect for. That applies to the Americans who feel that watching millionaires throw pigskins around for their entertainment is some sacred right that uppity black folk have no right to barge into.

scaramanga said:
The root problem is the assumption that because people aren't joining in support, we don't know or haven't heard about it. That's just insulting. I don't need some kneeling douchebag to enlighten me, I've just decided that getting on with my brick is more important to me than getting on with his brick.
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Oh, no, they know you've heard about it. They just want you to stop ignoring it and start actually caring about it, because they believe in the idea that society involves listening to the concerns of groups within it. If you think they're insulting you by bringing issues to your attention, they're really not - they're actually overestimating you, because they feel like you're capable of caring about them or their cause, whatever it may be, if only you're peacefully reminded of it.

If that's your concern about these protests, though, don't worry - in this case, as people realize that many Americans do indeed care less about black people being murdered by cops than they care about their weekend NFL game, they will come to the same realization. That those Americans care more about getting on with their own sh*t as opposed to caring about them. That problem will solve itself, if it ends up that way.

However, those Americans might not like how it resolves itself - because, as it turns out, going about your own brick is a bit harder when there are dead cops, deadly riots and active breakdowns of law and order across major American cities in the wake of every further incident, committed by a community resolved to take revenge for its brutalization, fend for itself, and f*ck everyone else. Just like those NFL-loving Americans. Those types didn't learn from the LA riots of 1992, and they're at risk of not learning this time as well. And somehow, they're always shocked to see it unfold - quite grimly amusing, really. 'fudge your problems,' say those Americans - 'you're not worth listening to.' And then when the breakdown happens...'how did this happen? We should come together! We're a community, a nation, we're all countrymen!'

Well, no, you aren't. You made that clear when you told them to go f*ck themselves because your own concerns were more important. They're doing the same now, that's all.
 
scaramanga said:
Protests shouldn't get in the way of everyday lives. No matter how valid the protest, I find myself actively against anyone who gets in the way of my life. How dare they presume to inconvenience me, my time is and always will be more important than their cause.

And whilst I don't agree with Trump that people should stand for an anthem, I do think that anyone bringing politics into sport should get a lengthy ban. Again, how dare they presume to take my relaxation away from me? I know their cause, I understand their cause, in this case I have sympathy with it. The only thing disturbing my relaxation will do is turn me against their cause.

The root problem is the assumption that because people aren't joining in support, we don't know or haven't heard about it. That's just insulting. I don't need some kneeling douchebag to enlighten me, I've just decided that getting on with my brick is more important to me than getting on with his brick.
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Rubbish.
The root problem is playing the fudging thing before every single event. Internationals, where other sides also get theirs, absolutely. But before every single event?
Come on.
That's the problem right there.
As for 'kneeling douchebags' don't pay attention. It's easy. Don't. Pay. Attention. Of course, what makes it next to fudging impossible is when the 'Leader of the Free West' decides to wave his tiny hands around ands throw Joffrey-like tantrums. Pathetic behavior from a 'leader' but certainly in keeping with his standard efforts, thus he should at least be commended for not being a slithering turncoat and for remaining the mega-taco he has been for decades.
 
scaramanga said:
It makes me think about politics when I'm trying to enjoy sport.
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That's on you mate.
FYI, the kneeling happens before a ball has been put into play. As suggested by someone earlier, if you find it hard to ignore people kn feeling
1) avoid churches at all costs, though I suspect you already do you wise man (I do too)
2) you should be getting whatever refreshment is necessary as this gubbins is going down...
 
DubaiSpur said:
Well, your personal views are shared by many Americans in that respect - protests should be absolutely quiet, take place absolutely calmly and happen far, far away, where they can be ignored and forgotten about. Problem is, people quickly cotton on why those preferences exist - to avoid hearing about what those protests are actually for. At that stage, 'f*ck your time, f*ck your inconvenience' is the next stage on the part of the protestors, because your time is worthless, or less than worthless, when great causes are at stake. Peacefully inconveniencing you is really the least extreme next step they could take, in that regard.
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My time isn't theirs to take. Sometimes, if you protest quietly and not enough fudges are given, it's not the volume of the protest that's the problem - it's the number of fudges given.

DubaiSpur said:
If disturbing your relaxation is all it takes to turn you against their cause, you never had sympathy with it, never knew it, never understood it and never will. Martin Luther King once remarked that his greatest disappointment was not with the outright racists who opposed him, but with white moderates who preferred order over justice, who constantly advised black people to wait for a better time and not to take direct action, because ultimately their motivation was simply 'civil rights - as long as they don't inconvenience me.' He understood the KKK man who opposed him, and at least respected his honesty - the 'white moderate' who would hate him for interrupting his entertainment was a man he ultimately had far less respect for. That applies to the Americans who feel that watching millionaires throw pigskins around for their entertainment is some sacred right that uppity black folk have no right to barge into.
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I didn't say that I agreed with the cause, I said I have sympathy for it.

I don't think that anyone should have to feel that their race is being persecuted by an evil, racist police force. That's not the same as actually believing there really is an evil, racist police force.

DubaiSpur said:
Oh, no, they know you've heard about it. They just want you to stop ignoring it and start actually caring about it, because they believe in the idea that society involves listening to the concerns of groups within it. If you think they're insulting you by bringing issues to your attention, they're really not - they're actually overestimating you, because they feel like you're capable of caring about them or their cause, whatever it may be, if only you're peacefully reminded of it.
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I don't need them to make me care or not care, I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself.

But like 99.9% of people on this forum, I've decided that there are more pressing things in my life than doing something about it.

DubaiSpur said:
If that's your concern about these protests, though, don't worry - in this case, as people realize that many Americans do indeed care less about black people being murdered by cops than they care about their weekend NFL game, they will come to the same realization. That those Americans care more about getting on with their own sh*t as opposed to caring about them. That problem will solve itself, if it ends up that way.

However, those Americans might not like how it resolves itself - because, as it turns out, going about your own brick is a bit harder when there are dead cops, deadly riots and active breakdowns of law and order across major American cities in the wake of every further incident, committed by a community resolved to take revenge for its brutalization, fend for itself, and f*ck everyone else. Just like those NFL-loving Americans. Those types didn't learn from the LA riots of 1992, and they're at risk of not learning this time as well. And somehow, they're always shocked to see it unfold - quite grimly amusing, really. 'fudge your problems,' say those Americans - 'you're not worth listening to.' And then when the breakdown happens...'how did this happen? We should come together! We're a community, a nation, we're all countrymen!'

Well, no, you aren't. You made that clear when you told them to go f*ck themselves because your own concerns were more important. They're doing the same now, that's all.
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What was there to learn from the LA riots? Have the army ready faster? Ensure that the response is swift and brutal? There is no excuse for rioting and anyone doing so deserves the full force of everything the army throws at them.
 
thfcsteff said:
Rubbish.
The root problem is playing the fudging thing before every single event. Internationals, where other sides also get theirs, absolutely. But before every single event?
Come on.
That's the problem right there.
As for 'kneeling douchebags' don't pay attention. It's easy. Don't. Pay. Attention. Of course, what makes it next to fudging impossible is when the 'Leader of the Free West' decides to wave his tiny hands around ands throw Joffrey-like tantrums. Pathetic behavior from a 'leader' but certainly in keeping with his standard efforts, thus he should at least be commended for not being a slithering turncoat and for remaining the mega-taco he has been for decades.
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I've already stated there shouldn't be an anthem at sporting events - it's pointless anyway. But it's not their place to bring politics into sport - my money is used to pay them to entertain me and that's what they should be doing.
 
thfcsteff said:
Rubbish.
The root problem is playing the fudging thing before every single event. Internationals, where other sides also get theirs, absolutely. But before every single event?
Come on.
That's the problem right there.
As for 'kneeling douchebags' don't pay attention. It's easy. Don't. Pay. Attention. Of course, what makes it next to fudging impossible is when the 'Leader of the Free West' decides to wave his tiny hands around ands throw Joffrey-like tantrums. Pathetic behavior from a 'leader' but certainly in keeping with his standard efforts, thus he should at least be commended for not being a slithering turncoat and for remaining the mega-taco he has been for decades.
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Scara would make a good shock jock on the radio. Do breitbart have a radio station?

Yes I agree re the flag etc
Don’t give toss who bends what before a game. It’s like having to listen to Jamie Carragher on sky, mildly irritating and totally minor in the scheme of things.

With Don at helm I’m thinking things will get worse. The guy is obnoxious!
 
DTA said:
Well an argument could be made that in light of your indifference or perhaps apathy ... then why should they not take their protest to stage that is inconvenient to you?

If you don't care enough about what is happening to/is important to them.. Why should they care about inconveniencing you?
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Because inconveniencing me doesn't help their cause, it only harms it.
 
StephenH said:
Scara would make a good shock jock on the radio. Do breitbart have a radio station?

Yes I agree re the flag etc
Don’t give toss who bends what before a game. It’s like having to listen to Jamie Carragher on sky, mildly irritating and totally minor in the scheme of things.

With Don at helm I’m thinking things will get worse. The guy is obnoxious!
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There is no excuse for the existence of Jamie Carragher either.
 
r-u-s-x said:
they do not want you to help, do you think more people or less are now aware of the issue they are pushing - its not all about you
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I'd say it's marginal. It was hardly an underepresented issue beforehand and people are really talking tangentially - more about Trump vs kneeling douchbags than the actual issue.

And it is all about me. The sooner people learn that, the sooner they'll start getting life right.
 
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